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Female soldiers break their silence
Amir Shilo
Published: 29.01.10, 15:47
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31. Breaking a child's arm? Slapping children?
Adam ,   USA   (01.29.10)
Disgusting and shameful behavior. Israel MUST do something about this inhumane and disgusting treatment of the Palestinians. Otherwise we are no better then those who have oppressed Jews over the centuries. Even worse is the disturbing denial and excuses made by Talkbackers here.
32. #29 are they women in the first place.
observer   (01.29.10)
Defence Minister Ehud Barak dressed as a woman a raid in Beirut. Why? because there nothing as women combatants.
33. Save our souls
The Last Zionist ,   Eilat   (01.29.10)
We don't owe the Palestinians anything. If they wanted it we would have had peace long ago. We need to end the occupation for us, not for them.
34. The truth must out.
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (01.30.10)
35. #17. Breaking the Silence Heavily Funded By Britain
Wisconsin Marshall ,   USA   (01.30.10)
A Jerusalem Post article listed the funding by the British govt. at hundreds of thousands(euros, dollars, shekels, not sure). A lesser amount was funded by the Netherlands' govt. When the Neth. ambassador was asked, he said he knew nothing about it. In other words, no comment. This is all part of the British govt.'s use of soft power to get Israel out of Judea, Samaria, and east Jerusalem and form another Arab state( the 23rd.). I believe the British are the best in the world at the implementation of soft power. Even the name "Breaking the Spell" is excellent propaganda. Tony Blair basically said if Israel doesn't succumb, reduce its already tiny land mass to allow for a terror state in its heartland, there'd be "a hell of a fight." Breaking the Spell is one of Britain's contributions to this "hell of a fight."
36. Meant Breaking the Silence
Wisconsin Marshall ,   USA   (01.30.10)
not Breaking the Spell.
37. The Whole World Is Watching
World Citizen ,   the world   (01.30.10)
One day wheels of kharma will turn and when they do many innocent Jews will be punished for the crimes of Israel.
38.  Female soldiers break their silence
Rupa Shah ,   USA   (01.30.10)
This is absolutely shocking and disgusting. These soldiers have lost their common decency, humanity and souls and in the process dehumanised the Palestinians. -Their speaking out indicates there is still some hope for them. However the bloody excuses given by the govt for the soldiers' behaviour are outrageous.
39. garbage. unsubstantiated, not specific enough socan be inves
ralph   (01.30.10)
investigated
40. If this is true, it would've been better handled discretely.
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.30.10)
Clearly a country which considers itself moral and enlightened, cannot afford to have its troops performing these alleged (and I repeat - alleged) incidents. After all we derive our strength by being morally superior to our enemies, and the moment we'd start looking like them, would be the moment we'd lose our edge, and lose our right to be here. In this respect, something must be done to curb such behavior. However, If these female soldiers indeed speak the truth, then turning to an outside source like "Breaking the Silence" is a grave mistake. When these allegations are made public by such leftist organizations (who have a clear agenda to vilify the IDF whenever they can), they cause irreversible damage to Israel's image, and fall like ripe fruit into the Israel-haters' hands, who often exaggerate them even further. I see no reason why these female soldiers couldn't have come discreetly to their senior commanders, and alerted them about the problem. Our moral army would have had no trouble probing this issue, and issuing clear orders to stop such behavior. This would have achieved the target just the same, without the completely unnecessary damage to Israel's image.
41. sorry, but it's all bs
gadi, idf ,   israel   (01.30.10)
im embarrassed of those people who call them selves idf soldiers and telling such lies about the proceedings of captives. i dont know where ynet takes the sources of these stories or should i say farytales... and even if, it would be isolated incidents who are not even mentionable. the worst things idf does is "being great friends" to the palis compared to what other armies do with their enemies. when i read this story i can only smile and think about how sorry i am for those people who tell all these lies about their country who protects them, gives them shelter and provides them freedom. i must say, im disgusted. the government should cancel their israeli citizenship and send them to an arab country, just to see the difference... im distgusted and dissapointed.
42. Female soldiers
Birdi ,   Israel   (01.30.10)
I dont believe a word of this entire cocked up story.
43. Not her fault.
Malcom ,   NYC USA   (01.30.10)
"You're saying the small soldiers on the ground are not the problem, but the whole situation surrounding them?" "Yes, I was just following orders." Fixed for clarity.
44. Settlers children
M ,   Israel   (01.30.10)
Assuming the incidents concerning the 8 year Jewish girl is true, this is the real problem. Teaching kids at such a young age to hate, and to act out their hatreds is really the pits. Oy va voy lanu.
45. spitting on someone is not having 8,000 rockets flying 2 you
jonathan ,   iran   (01.30.10)
46. TO #40 Tahl
Marwan   (01.30.10)
"your enemies" don't have a shred of doubt that you're morally way WAY more inferior to them... however for ur own luck, the masses of ur enemies are ruled by puppet corrupt leaders, but the moment that changes, u're doomed.
47. shame
D ,   UK   (01.30.10)
nothing left except to gas people, where are the decent fair jews?beating and breaking the arms of a 5 year child, monsterous.
48. Your time will come.
Clarke ,   USA   (01.30.10)
Israel's days are numbered and we will treat you the same way you treat the Palestinians. As soon as you loose American support you are done for, that's not an opinion it's a fact. Really, what is one reason that non Zionists have for liking Zionists? You are racists and the international community doesn't support racism. The Goyum will prevail.
49. you wont hear the positive side will you? no never!
Yisraeli   (01.30.10)
I have served in the army and I am sure there are some incidents of abuse by individual 'meatheads' your always going to have that in every army or body of uniforms. As society is never a 100% moral and just, you will always have a criminal element so it is across the board. I dont know how many of these incidents are true but what I DO know for a fact is the many instances of humane and kindness shown by our boys and girls in uniform. I will openly declare that for every negative incident there is an opposite of over a hundred positive incidences.....only of course you will never read of them let alone hear about them as theyre not news worthy but expected from any decent human being. I know of many instances of compassion, consideration and caring for another human even if percieved or openly the enemy. This report clearly is not the public face of our people in uniform. Nor have these allegations been substansiated. But of course you will find many who will use this report as oxygen for their wanton hatred of Israel and the Jewish people. Theres no changing them, their hate will always exist nothing will ever change that. But we will neither offer ourselves on any alter of sacrifice to make them happy. We will do what we have to do in order to survive against insurmountable odds and inspite of them. You will find in the next few years an overwhelming amount of attempts to delegitimise our existance on our ancient and only homeland. There is nothing new in this. Remember our enemies had not been able to defeat us militarily in over 60 years. So they will resort to many other tactics to at least try to break our spirit. And remember to, historically our worst enemies have always come from within not without. Whether via elements of our own government or media, they are there working tirelessly to bring us down to serve their own personal or foreign paymasters. They are there they have always been there. Just stand tall with belief in our own rightousness of our cause as the only righful owners of this our homeland including Judea and Samaria. There are elements within our own Gov. who will try to persuade you otherwise and when the sh** will hit the fan they will run off to their prepared villas and swiss acounts and leave you to bare their results of theyre treachary and perfidy. Anu Nitgaber gam hem. Only Moshe Feiglin of the Likud will be able to unravel all the terrible mistakes done in the name of our people. Trust NO one else. Am Yisrael Chai
50. this is why palestinians become moreviolent
jan ,   israel   (01.30.10)
bombers and terrorists may be 0.01% of the palestinians people but if we keep pushing they will become 100% be nice and they will be nice too
51. #46 Really?
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (01.30.10)
I wonder just how "morally superior" were the massacres in Maalot, the Park hotel, the Dolphinarium, the Ben Yehuda market, the Matza restaurant, Dizengoff, Cafe Moment, about a dozen buses blowing up, and thousands of rockets raining on Israel's northern and southern towns - all of these incidents specifically targeting to kill as many innocent Israeli civilians as possible. Oh let me guess - the Palestinians "defended their people" this way???.... And this is while the "morally inferior" IDF makes phonecalls and drops leaflets warning civilians to get out of harm's way, and aborts missions when too many Palestinian human shields might get hurt. You know the old saying, Marwan - those living in glass houses should not throw stones.
52. Brave IDF?
Genuine Tosefta ,   Tveria   (01.30.10)
After reading this I feel ashamed to be Israeli.
53. come forward.
zionistta ,   ta, israel   (01.30.10)
I have little doubt that many things go on between soldiers and palestinians that should not, this is the most cowardly way of exposing it. I'm not sure if its a ploy for attention or glorification but if I were an officer from their unit reading this I would recommend a post-service court martial for their behavior. I have witnessed expulsion from elite units and military jail sentences for much less than what they're describing. They were weak during their service and went against their own moral codes to fulfill what they thought was the norm in their unit. These sorts of people (בלי יכולת הבכנה) should be excluded from combat forces.
54. not surprising
several ,   detroit, usa   (01.30.10)
The Israelis have a relatively hyper-sexualized culture, also a relatively forward culture, whereas the Palestinians both by nature and their circumstances tend to restraint, thus we confidently expect that after Israel is replaced with a more sustainable nation state horror stories of abuse will come out. Today leftists will talk about violence or organ theft or paperwork-abuse, but in the future there will be sexual abuse stories. What these dears are saying is consistent with my own experience with female marines in Iraq.
55. the thing is the army cant investigate these stories because
jo   (01.30.10)
they are anonymous and not details, dates, persons or facts are given. So how can you investigate an anonymous allegation? If these woman stayed the full term and said nothing and are just now being "brave" then they are cowards. We need names, dates, times, persons involved, for any proper investigation. So what does this group gain? PR and allegations are not evidence and do not do anyone any good or change anything.
56. #48
chanah ,   hvidovre, DK   (01.30.10)
Israels days are not numbered, she is here 2 stay and that's a fact and GOD not you or any 1 else will deal with Israel period, and 1 day GOD will treat you as the Palestinians have treated the Jews so goodbye USA, as in 2 state solution 1 for Mexico and 1 for the Indians
57. how is this worse?
cheryl ,   canada   (01.30.10)
how is this any worse than what some american soldiers did in iraq??
58. There has to be an investigation into this
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (01.30.10)
No soldier has the right to do this to anyone! I am a strong supporter of our IDF forces; but this cannot be allowed to happen!
59. Shouldn't surprise anyone
Tarik ,   Boston, MA USA   (01.30.10)
Anyone who has actually spent time in the Occupied Territories will find these stories normal. Abuse of Palestinians by soldiers is commonplace, and the incidents described here are just the tip of the iceberg. I find it surprising that some place are not yet aware of this--thought the denials of the obvious by other talkbackers are a depressing phenomenon.
60. general comment and #48
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (01.30.10)
In its previous report, this group also published anonymous horror stories. It turned out that the organization consists of two people who never served in the army who made up all the "testimony" in their mom's basement. #48, you promise you will treat the Jews as we treat the Arabs. I wish. Israel has always been very nice to Arabs who were not murderers. That is why Arabs under Jewish rule have the highest education, best medical care and fastest reproduction rate of any Arab group. All your Universities were built by us. You receive work and medical care from us. Sadly, we all know that you will treat us like you always did: Hebron, Shiloah, Gush Etzion, Beeri, the Old City of Jerusalem were places with Jewish population until the British let you do what you wanted. We can go further and see what happened to the Jewish populations in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. They don't exist anymore. That is called genocide.
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