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The simple facts
Yair Lapid
Published: 01.02.10, 10:01
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1. Leftist Dershowitz
Tom ,   Toronto   (02.01.10)
Well, if Yair Lapid things Dershowitz is a leftist he should not wonder for a second why the rest of the world sees Israel ruled by a right-wing extremist government.
2. Let's see the film
laura ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.01.10)
Kol a Kavod Yair! Now that you've seen the film, i think its time for all of Israel to see it as well.....Bring it to the theatres Now!
3. Don't Forget Who You're Talking To
scott krane ,   USA/ISRAEL   (02.01.10)
"But how the hell did we manage to get to a situation where the truth – the basic, simple, fact-based truth – has gone out of fashion?" Do not forget that you're dealing with the same force which brought you the Shoah and other attacks on Israel
4. Hey mr Lapid You are good to make up a fantasy film!
Salma ,   Palestine   (02.01.10)
..."And how come they are always talking about the 750,000 Palestinian refugees while forgetting the 800,000 Jewish refugees kicked out of Arab states? Why doesn’t anyone remember that the Palestinians already had four real opportunities to establish their state, yet each time they preferred to revert to terrorism?" WHAT A FUNNY!
5. 2002 arab peace plan arabs/57 muslim state not mentiond ????
sami   (02.01.10)
6. Denial of Reality
daat y ,   jerusalem   (02.01.10)
Israelis,ESPECIALLY OF THE COMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY AND SUPREME JUDICIARY are so interested in a' piece of paper' that says 'peace' on it that they deny reality. They blame ISRAELTHAT THERE IS NO 'PEACE.'
7. We live in a world of "Instant"
noa ,   israel   (02.01.10)
Instant texting, instant entertainment, instant coffee . . . We all have short attention spans. "Apartheid" and "Occupation" heard 20 times a day is more effective than all these facts. We have to find a more effective byword than "terrorist", and maybe Allan Dershowitz has to yell louder and more often and be more obnoxious. Also, we take our democracy for granted. We have to yell against these Arab countries that are so brutal. "Extremists" is not the word; maybe "Ursurpers" (of basic human rights), "Abusers", "Executors".
8. Left right or center
Sagi   (02.01.10)
it matters not. In this world the only right is might. Like it or not, this is a fact.
9. #4 Salma
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (02.01.10)
Absolutely brilliant post. Saying absolutely nothing. Are you saying there were no Jewish refugees ? Are you saying the Arabs and/or the Palestinians did not have four real opportunities to establish their state ? and that they did not prefer to revert to terrorism ? Or is all you can say is FUNNY ? How about posting rebuttal to the statements you consider FUNNY. I am waiting with bated breath.
10. where / what are the borders / boundaries of israel????
sami   (02.01.10)
(roadblocks, which undoubtedly cause an ongoing human tragedy, would be dismantled within 24 hours if only the Palestinians were kind enough) to be kind enough where / what are the borders / boundaries of israel????
11. Lapid: How could you be so dumb?
Jameel ,   The Muqata   (02.01.10)
It's quite obvious: When YOU wrote that the reason for the "Disengagement" was to "teach those settlers a lesson," you lost your connection to classical Zionism, which was based on settling the land. When a Zionist community had to be abandoned, like Kfar Darom in 1946, it was due to real security concerns; not brutally kicking Jews out of their homes to "teach them a lesson," or to keep Ariel Sharon out of jail. And guess what? Dershowitz wasn't embarrassed either to use the word "boged" (traitor) to describe Goldstone. Jameel The Muqata muqata.blogspot.com
12. # 9 not FUNNY
Palestinian   (02.01.10)
immigrants from ..Ethiopia, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Poland .. Belfour has no right to offer our homes to Haganah, Irgun, Lehi & Stern Eng.land would''ve been ok
13. Frankly, Tom #1...
Tahl ,   Ashdod, Israel   (02.01.10)
We don't care how the world sees our government. All we care is that the world should stop its blatant hutzpa of meddling in our business and dictating to us when & how we can defend ourselves. As Lapid said - the world has plenty of much more pressing hot spots to deal with than Israel.
14. #10 sami
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (02.01.10)
The borders of Israel are the following: The Sinai Negev Line running south from Gaza to Eilat. You can see it on a map. The line running through the arava from Eilat north and through the Dead Sea, then north of the area of through the Jordan valley where pre-1967 Israel bordered on Jordan These borders were established by treaty between Israel and Egypt and with Jordan. The northern border with Lebanon is a defacto border recognized by both countries even though it has not been established dejure by treaty. Only question is Rajah which is under discussion now with the U.N. There is no border on the east with the PA or with Jordan. Jordan recognizes it's western border north of the Dead Sea as being along the Jordan Valley. These are the only recognized borders of Israel. The green line is not a border and never was. If you read the armistice agreements signed in 1949 you will find that they state specifically that the ceasefire lines were not meant to be borders which were supposed to be negotiated between the parties. This eventually happened with Egypt and Jordan. So to answer your implied question - there is no internationally recognized border between Israel and the PA. Nor with Gaza for that matter.
15. Battling global public opinion
Pamela Wilder ,   Hevron Eretz Yisrael   (02.01.10)
It is an ongoing battle but the simple undeniable fact is that it was the Jews who drained the swamps and turned the desert into fields as the land was barren and unmanaged. I think it was Mark Twain who described the land as desolate, a wasteland and void of people before we arrived back to reclaim our land. Dershowitz film may be a worthy string we can add to our bow but we should NEVER have to apologize for the fact that WE RECLAIMED OUR LAND and turned it into the vibrant country that it is now.
16. #12: 800K-1M Jews fled Iraq, Morocco, Yemen, Egypt, etc.
zvi   (02.01.10)
to Israel, where they were absorbed. Half of Israeli Jews have roots in the Arab world. About 25% of Knesset members speak Arabic. You're ignorant of history and you're ignorant of Israeli culture. Maybe you should learn something before opening your mouth, eh?
17. To answer your question
m   (02.01.10)
It's all the academia, media's brain washing the people, by identifying with the world left which hates Israel as much as the world extreme right. Add to that the lack of roots and pride in our own country, the postZionist destruction of Israel's heroes the demonization of the only zionists left--aka the "settlers" and I hope you will find the answer right there.
18. # 14
sami   (02.01.10)
israel declared its borders and israel on may 14 1948?
19. SO THAT!
Yafa ,   Palestine   (02.01.10)
Aha, if the so-called state of Israel, is not the home of the jews now we know that there are different places for them, then why do not you go back to it, personally I am with your return. TO REMIND Palestinians have only ONEstate and one homeland called PALESTINE
20. Israels peer group. Apartheid State(s)
Chocko ,   NY, USA   (02.01.10)
Wow.... Israel being measured against such Human rights activists of the world such as the Taliban, Saudi Arabia and Sudan..... Your right, you really are 'liberal' compared to those groups and a beacon to the world. Well done Guys
21. nice article..FIRST ARTICLE FROM LAPID THAT I ENJOYED AND...
.......DACON9   (02.01.10)
nice article..FIRST ARTICLE FROM LAPID THAT I ENJOYED AND FOWARDING TO FRIENDS. I WILL EVEN POST THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AND LINK TO YNET IN MY BLOG WHY DO I LIKE IT? because to me ..it is facts on the ground, plausible reality not a frabrication half truthhalf lie, shows the GOODNESS OF ISRAEL THROUGH ELIMINATION OF THE EVILS OF OTHER COUNTRIES... This 'youtube' titled IDF - one of the most humaine armies in the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KHRNuclNGs This video is in conjunction with this article only thing needed is the update of ISRAELS RESPONSE WITHIN 14 HRS OF THE HAITI DISASTER. I am a JEW I also am an American I believe in TORAH AND THE ONE GD OF ISRAEL AND MASHIACH WILL BE HERE SOON AND I BELIEVE ISRAEL THE LAND IS HOLY..... ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF ONE GD... no idols, no other gods, *The righteous few of all the nations will see the next world, all others will perish,including THE JEWS WHO MUST make teshuvah as well. I BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE TO REPENT, MAKE TESHUVAH **QUICKLY The nation of ISRAEL will endure forever and ever. AMEN AM YISRAEL CHAI and may i add.. Rabbi Meir Kahane is still right ! thank you, DACON9 email:jewswithviews@gmail.com
22. #13 You may not care
Chocko ,   NY, USA   (02.01.10)
But I think I have a say in what your government does and what it gets up to.... $3Billion a year buys me the right to have a very definate opinion on what your government does and says.
23. To Yafa
Pamela Wilder ,   Hevron Eretz Yisrael   (02.01.10)
Eretz Yisrael IS the eternal home of Jews, this is where we came from and where we returned. There is no such thing as ‘palestinians’ read “The Innocents Abroad” by Mark Twain and you will see he mentions a land full of swamps and empty of people, these so called ‘palestinians’ only arrived after the First Jewish Aliyah to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible through their hard work restoring this Holy Land.
24. # 23
Palestinian   (02.01.10)
Yaffa, Haifa, Al-Quds were swamps and Palestine a "vacant" land? what about ILAN PAPPE, instead of Mark Twain ? "vacant, swamps and empty of people" _why Haganah, Irgun, Lehi & Stern then ? hypocrite
25. Chocko #22 how many other countries do you think you own?
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (02.01.10)
Your country's 3 billion a year is about 3% of our budget. Since we are already more than 3% of the way through the year your time is up. Mind you own business and stop interfering in our internal affairs.
26. Simple reality
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (02.01.10)
Dershowitz has become a joke. If the 'security barrrier' was necessary, why wasn't it built on the Green Line? Dershowitz doesn't answer. Do the Palestinians have a right to defend their privately owned propert? Dershowitz doesn't answer. Was Goldstone duty bound, as a jurist, to report the facts about Gaza as he found them? Desrshowitz just called Him a self-hating Jew. Calling Deshowitz anything more than a zionist apologist is completely inaccurate. And, although I would defend his right to free speech, it seems that Dershowitz seeks to ban or defame all those who disagree with him. He is a joke, and a bad one at that.
27. # 25 Gee, we own thee
Chocko ,   NY, USA   (02.01.10)
I agree with you, its only a small part of your budget.... So give it back, and stop looking for more.. Why dont you write to your MK and say no more.... I would love to be rid of any responsibility for what you get up to and certainly on my Tax dollar.... So please, please please, say you dont want anymore Dollars.
28. Lapid - what a let down
Barry Norman ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (02.01.10)
You obviously know little of Dershowitz. His "left wing" credentials are just a flag of convenience - he is as much an Israel Right or Wrong proponent as AIPAC or the Likud. The security fence/wall hides a real rotten and absolute apartheid run by your government and in your name to the shame of this nation and the detriment and continued oppression of the Palestinians. You and the verbally gifted Dershowitz can run off about the perverted Saudis and the demonic Taliban and who ever else you choose to point out - you create a comfort zone for yourselves that is as deep as the sands in which you bury your heads. Those others are blameworthy indeed, but that isn't the point. You seem to suggest that you cannot win world approval and that you have to keep apologizing. The former is something we have learned to live without. Apologizing for the apartheid state the settlers have been allowed to create - in your name and with your consent - would be a very good start. For the time being they spend your blank cheque knowing you'll sign the next and the next.
29. Yaïr Lapid & books
peter ,   amsterdam NL   (02.01.10)
Maybe Yaïr Lapid should read up a bit on 'leftist' jewish opinion in the US. Noam Chomsky & Norman Finkelstein come to mind. But why read books when you can watch a film?
30. Chocko #27 way too late
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (02.01.10)
I have been advocating that exact actions for decades now. We don't need your money and we don't need people like you. Why don't you tell your congressman? They are the ones that vote for it. Might be because that money is spent on American products made by Americans. Take your money and shove it! While you're at it how about the money you give to the Arabs too? That is about ten times the amount we get. By all means stop funding terrorism against us.
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