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Chief rabbi: Judges won't deliberate nullifying conversions
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 02.02.10, 07:55
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1. When necessary, let any convert be examined by competent
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (02.02.10)
rabbis whose ethics are beyond question. It is a horridly unjust situation where batches of converts are shut out due to some question about the rabbi that converted them.
2. RESPECT TO YOU, RABBI AMAR
SETTHERECORDSTRAIGHT   (02.02.10)
NOT THAT YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU, BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY DOING THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU.
3. Jewishness is racism because
observer   (02.02.10)
conversion can be nullified, while a Jew cant be excommunicated.
4. relief in raanana
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.02.10)
a brief respite...
5. to#3 observer
Marcelo ,   Frankfurt   (02.02.10)
you write without information and in total ignorance....I wouldn't expect you to read a book, so, just google "Spinoza"....
6. 4 Hashem's Ways just continue to frustrate you dont they
(02.02.10)
Poor thing "pahkeed" just continues to rip up your Christianity
7. #3 observer
read   (02.02.10)
actually you can be"excommunicated" using the Catholic terminology. there have been cases throughout Jewish history of people defined as heretics and were shunned from the community, i.e. Baruch Espinoza. The racist here is not Judaism, bu the the observer who is blinded by his bigotry.
8. R. Amar conversions to #4
JeanH ,   Martinsburg, USA   (02.02.10)
... There never was any cause for a sigh of relief.... in Ra'anana
9. What if G-d annul His deal too. Gerim in Mitzraim?
Josh   (02.02.10)
These men are arrogant and heading towards the fall of Israel. Suggest we double back to the shorish and listen to Moses and not these clowns. "You shall not harrass the convert" "Accursed is one who corrupts the judgement of a convert" "You shall love the convert" Any of these laws ring a bell. Your added laws violate Devarim 4:2 and now you attack converts for political reasons? I would keep going to your doctor for checkups, because if God goes out of His way to tell us in Torah that he Loves the convert, you're picking on someone he loves and that will have a price. Just don't ask "why me G-d" when evil matches your evil. I told you already. A dangerous game for Israel. Torah warns of the convert crying out to heaven. You ever read this book called Torah, rabbis? People! Shmah!!!
10. 6 - frustrate?? why no, i LOVE hashem's ways
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.02.10)
and i live my life by them every day :-) i recommend his true ways to all.
11. l0 Christian Mike... your funny (and ignorant)
(02.02.10)
12. RABBI AMAR
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (02.02.10)
YOUR RABBIS HAEV BECOME RACIST ! SELECTIVE AND DISCRIMINATE AGAINST TRUE HEARTS THAT CHOSE THE TORAH.
13. 11 pakeed - you think i'm funny and ignorant
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.02.10)
but you are wrong.
14. #12 Benjamin in Singapore and other detractors
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (02.02.10)
Which Yeshiva did you graduate from? Who gave you the right to decide what the Torah says or doesn't say? How many tears did you spend in Yeshiva? How many tractates of Gemara are you fluent in? How many sections of the shulkhan Aruch and its commentaries do you have expertise in ? Unless you come close to the scholarship and erudition of the rabbis on the Bais Din, keep your opinions to matters where you have knowledge
15. #7 Jewishness is not Judaism
observer   (02.02.10)
Jews follow race much more than they follow Torah; facts on the ground for those malleable people who excommunicate rationalist philosophers. do you acquire religion from 10 commandment movie?
16. Fair go mate
Aussie ,   Sydney Australia   (02.03.10)
Stop judging the convert and start looking into your own ways. Give a bloke a fair go.
17. 10 Mike ur Jzeus is Displacement Theology NOT ha-Sheims Ways
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.03.10)
Your claim to love ha-Sheim's Ways is demonstrated false, and a deception, by your continued adherence to Christianity, which is a contradiction of Torah, prohibited by Torah and a claimed supersession by your "New Testament" over what you call the "Old Testament." That's displacement theology and misojudaism. Contrary to your slanderous lies, I teach that YOUR Jzeus is a heathen idol and YOUR Christianity is idolatrous and YOU are an idolater. Christianity and your Jzeus are the polar opposite of ha-Sheim's Ways, and the polar opposite of ha-Sheim's Ways is…. If you truly loved ha-Sheim's Ways, which is Torah, you'd abandon your Christianity and Jzeus to follow Torah. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jews)
18. #14 De' tractors Ahahaha!
Josh   (02.03.10)
Ask a dozne of the yeshiva students to give the eser debrot. Could they? What could be more detracting from Torah than learning everything but Torah. When you spend so much time studying so called explanations that you don't even know what it was suposedly explaining, your ready to buy anything the greesy car salesman sells you. Devarim 30:11 "the commandment I command you TODAY it is not hidden and it is not distant." (one day not years of studying) All those yeas studying the claimed "hidden" meanings that broke ones spirit till they cried, was manmade vanity if you ask me. Clearly Torah rebukes your claim that we must be fluent in added writings that contradict Devarim 4:2 Devarim 30 sums it up nicely (I paraphrase) It is not in heaven nor accross the sea that you should say we need someone (a Rabbi or a Sage maybe?) to come and take it for us rather the matter is very near to you. It is in your mouth and in your heart to perform it. I'll take honsest righteous communication from Moses and G-d over accepting spagetti explanations that don't answer questions and don't add up. Thank you very much.
19. 17 - the only 'dosplacement' going on here is teh pakeed
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.03.10)
how can you possibly know hashem's ways since you have never known him? you clearly know neither what i believe since what you assign to me is unfamiliar to anything i've known. it's more like a window into your soul than anything. besides, who in their right mind would want to start hating others like you are? that's everything wrong with so-called religion.
20. 18 - josh trying to put teh pakeed out of a job?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.03.10)
he's israel's self-proclaimed 16th pakeed, so who else is more qualified to give "spaghetti explanations" than he?? you take that away from him, you've taken everything. besides, what would a gentile convert out-of-work pakeed have to offer the 21st century employment marketplace? not much of a demand for those, you know.
21. #14 Moshe,Jerusalem..PRIDE COMES BEFORE DOWNFALL ...
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPPORE   (02.03.10)
.....AS A JEW LET TEACH YOU SOMETHI NG THAT, YOUR RABBIS HAVE NOT THAUGHT YOU.....HUMBLE YOURSELF ! KEEP YOU HEART AND MIND CLEAN.....TAKE THIS WITH A PINCH OF SALT ! AND STOP ALL THAT ABUSE OF THE RIGHTEOUS CONVERTS AND GENTILES...WE JEW HAVE A LOT TO LEARN FROM THEM ! THE RIGHTEOUS GENTILES ARE RECOGNISED BY THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS....THAT MELTS THE HEART OF THE LRD G-D OF YISRAEL....! REMEMEMBER YOU AND I HAVE TO PLEAD !
22. To Mike At # 20
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.03.10)
This josh is a colleague of our "friend" , both are attacking the Rabbanim , both think they are god himself , both think that sane people believe their claims that they are Jewish . It will be easier for them to convince ALL the Chinese , than to convince you or me , that they are Jewish . Only fake and deceiving people , that's what they are .
23. For the record: Josh is NOT a Netzarim
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.03.10)
24. 23 - as the future 17th pakeed, i overrule you
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.03.10)
josh can be a netzarim if he wants.
25. Mike , They are both goyim , not even Gentiles
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.03.10)
And as my mother Z.L. said : a goy blabt a goy , a goy remains a goy . goy used here in the pejorative meaning .
26. 25 - i'm trying
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (02.03.10)
we gentiles are an unruly bunch. i'm doing my best to keep us all in line, but the odd ones are keeping me busy. seriously, why can't people just accept who they are and accept others for who they are? i think that's the problem: because they don't accept themselves for who they are, they can't accept anyone else (except those they want to be). sad.
27. An important thing is MISSING here
Josh   (02.06.10)
How is anyone to believe conversion is about anything but but brainwashing and power when the most important factor to conversion is never even inquired about... ..knowlege and committment to Torah and love for G-d!!! If the Rabbis were to ever be taken as serious as so called Judges and Teachers learned in Torah then an inquiry by a Bet Din and Test would be the righteous approach of one who is really a judge as they claim. No test were given. No inquery into motivation, knowlege or adherance to the shmah. Just cancel them all rather than running them quickly through the bet din and ceremony again. These Rabbis don't care about the most basic truths and therefore are not qualified to be Judges or play and role in the faith that requires an ounce of wisdom. It is written the idea of being a judge and leader is that they were instituted to help carry the burden Moses once carried of listening amoung disputes and making sound decisions based on the brit and G-d's teachings. No listening was done "among" anybody, rather a onesided attack that clearly shows no merit by the lack of a simple test of converts on Torah basics... ...fire and replace these men. I would venture a bet that none of these judges could answer the question what are the eser debrot.
28. #23 Thanks for adopting some clarity and truth...
Josh   (02.06.10)
..now if you could stop hiding the fact that you sell Jesus, you might just make something good happen in your life. But thank you for your moment of truth that lasted but a second in time.
29. 28 , a jesus seller to an other
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.07.10)
the pot and the kettle
30. 28 : the pot and the kettle , josh and paqid
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (02.07.10)
You both are against the Rabbanim , ALWAYS . You both are DISHONEST about your origin and beliefs . No one of you can be called a JEW . You both try to sell jesus .
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