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woow , im releived. when ynet said "rabbis slam" i got nervous , good thing no real rabbis slammed this.

The conservative and reform movements may be composed of Jews but so are The Messianic Jews the common denominator between the three is that none of these "movements" are a part of the Jewish religion! Let them peddle their false religion elsewhere, what will they do when Moshiach comes and women won't be allowed in certain parts of the bais hamikdash or non cohanim in certain areas?

since when do reform want a part in the holy land? when they started their warped org in berlin they removed all reference to israel & jerusalem, they wanted berlin & germany as their new land. where did that take us?

with tav malkut and shekinah resist the cosmic energy of aleph to the point of being aleph in zoharic sephirot malkut is the second mem since hkomah the biological process of the higher and lower worlds the yetziratic formation of the 9th sephira is wedded to the biological process of material reality sealed by the waw union of the 9th-10th sephirot spirit and matter interlock this is the malkut the 10th sephira of actual existence formed by uncouncious,sensuous material reality completing the circuit of aleph-tav and returning it through shem-el the left a deep secret the moon will be higher than the sun and venus will be in her proper place.

The position of mainstream Reform movement rabbis and the Conservatism movement is that these kind of disruptive protests at Judiam's holiest place have no place in our religion. In the same manner, priests loudly demanding marriage rights are given no access to the Vatican, and Mullahs loudly promoting drinking of alcohol do not get to pray at the Kabah in Mecca. These so-called Women of the Wall leaders are lesbian rights activists, which is all very nice, but they don't have any right to bring their noisy cause to the Kotel and disrupt worship. The religious official acted properly to stop them, and 95% of Jews everywhere will agree. Maybe we could set them up with a nice Reform-Lesbian worship spot in Abu Dis, next to the PA parliament. With free tallit distribution (located right next to the cheeseburger vendor).

Women have always been permitted to pray at the Temple, just look at the mother of Sh'mu'el, or Hannah. It was the priest that was wrong in sending her away, thinking she was drunk. Reformed, Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstrutionist, Herady, Hassidic, we are all one people. Our statement of faith is the same: Shema Israel Adonia Elohanu Adonia Echad. To say that it is wrong for over half of all the people that come to the Wall to pray, makes them no better than the muslims that tell us we can't pray on the temple mount. Miriam lead the women in songs of praise, Deborah was raised up as a judge not by man, but by HaShem. You would dare to stop the prayers and praise to and for Hashem from being heard because they come from women! Who are you oh man but the dust of the earth?

I find it completely laughable that the "reform rabbis" of Toronto are complaining. "Reform rabbi" is kind of an oxymoron, kind of like "giant shrimp", but that's another discussion. Woman are allowed to pray at the wall. I am lucky enough to be able to pray at the wall several times a year. Jews of all backgrounds come to the wall to pray, to feel a connection to their religion and history. But the wall is just not an archeaological site here, it is a very holy place, not to be abused. It offends the majority of the people praying at the kotel to see women putting on tefillin and wearing prayer shawls and carrying torahs. It offends me, because I don't think outright provocation has anyt place at the kotel. If these women want to pray there like that, they have the Robinson Arch, and there they can pray as they like. Why do a small handful of women feel that they can tell everyone else what to do at the holiest of Jewish sites? Prayer is a very private thing, direct personal interaction between a person and G-d. Nobody is stopping them from praying, but on the other hand they can't disrupt the others who are also praying. It makes me laugh when Jews from outside of Israel feel they have the right to tell us how to live our lives. If they want that right, they should move here, pay taxes here, send their kids to the army too, then they can have a say as to what goes on in this country.

Perhaps when the Chareidim in Israel pay taxes here and send their kids to the army, they will also have a say as to what goes on in this country.

it turns out that the nature of God is no less female than it is male?????

Intresting figures you have do enlighten us all where these figures come from 95% ? Hate to break it to you but the ultra orthadox do not have the monopoly on religion of people thoughts. What arrogance you show towards other jews, so what if they are lesbians, are they not allowed to pray to God because they are lesbian? let me guess your wife left you for another women or do you just hate anyone who was born different?

Sorry but you list Torah observant women and then go on to equate them with Deformed, Conservative, Herady (sic). But stepping out of Torah observance is stepping out of the Brit with HaSheim. The Torah observant ARE NOT ONE with the non-Torah observant. All you are speaking of is DNA racism, like Charles. Jews by birth alone, that do not keep Torah non-selectively, are not in the Brit. Conversely geirim that do keep the Torah non-selectively are IN.

Stay out of our Jerusalem.

a direct revelation and can now assure you beyond doubt that "Our Father" is a woman!

Baruk HaShem

Maidel, I don't think you can lump all the haredim in one group. There are the crazies in Jerusalem and Bnei Brak that give a bad name to haredim. I know many haredim that do send their kids to the army, that send their kids to university after so they can be contributing members of this society, and all the haredim I know pay taxes (of course, based on their salary level). I'm not haredi, but I do feel everyone needs to be respected, so if these women make the kotel uncomfortable to the majority (men and women) there, they should go back to the Robinson arch.

I have the deep respect for Orthodox and Masorti Judaism, both have different approaches to Judaism, but are Halachic. Their Ravs are Ravs, not matter what people say. If people say no, I would also consider some Haredi Ravs totally strange to Judaism as well. The point here is to bring all Jews close, even if they don't agree with themselves. I find it strange a woman to carry a Torah and put a Talit and Tefilin, but in Rashi's time women wore it, so I'm not going to protest like a crazy Haredi every time a disagree with something.

I suspect, that type of "revelation," more often than not, is a direct result of the ingestion of a mind-altering substance. Overdoses of coffee and the subsequent lack of sleep have been known to make me see the world in a rather peculiar state of wobble, but I must admit that I never had a revelation, except that I should really lay off the stuff. Please notice that I was referring to aspects of God's nature rather than to any totality. Although at the mere mention of tornado or ice storm by the local weather channel I will make outlandish promises to every deity - male, female, and/or gende-confused - known to me, with the exception of Huitzilopochtli, I never address God as "Our Father." I was given better sense than not to cover all bases :-) If, however, your Father is a woman, someone is in need of serious help and I suspect that it's not God. Most of all, I hope that you recognize tongue-in-cheek, when you read it.

ANGRY.

The complainant makes the point 'all Jews will be welcome to worship according to their own tradition'...so let's take that a step further. What if one group decided that Jewish tradition invites 'Hells Angels' into a refrom shul in Toronto to have a party during service, to get closer to Hashem during a heightened state of awareness? It's someone's tradition right? Of course that would mean that all Jewish tradition is based on human freedom of choice, without regard to any core-root basis of Judaism. I suggest that looking deeper into Jewish roots is certainly acceptable, for every one regardless of their political, sexual or general background. However, respect for someone else's place is usually based on who was there first? Try finding the answer to that question , look really deep for it! Note: Sedition is defined as 'inciting rebellion against the authority of a state'.

Now in my fifth decade in the Conserv./Masorti movement, I know that very few men wrap t'fillin daily or daven daily, and equally few wear tzitzis or a kippah. Meanwhile, very few women go to mikveh monthly, and only a small minority of either sex observe Shabbat even by the movement's standard. So are our leaders dedicated to fixing this? Not a chance. Their focus is on women wearing tallit and t'fillin For no reason except egos, Torah observance is now the sole province of the Orthodox.

Snigger, snigger! How can people be arrested for what they wear? No wonder you people have trouble fitting into Western society!

But so are these ladies, Im not religious but lets face it the only God is the man (or women) him self and we dont need Gods self appointed police force judging , slandering others in his name do we now?

i think you'll be TWICE the pakeed he is. and you can take that for what it's worth.

ppl have feelings in your hearts for these creatures ugly women need attention to

To all you orthodox who cling to the orthodox doctrine concerning women, let me ask you a few questions. Do you believe that women are feeble minded? Do you believe that women cannot be witnesses? Do you believe that women should not be taught Torah? You must as these are included in the orthodox doctrine on women. This doctrine was codified in the 16th century. Just look around there are women in every profession & job including some Nobel Prize recipients attesting to fact that women are not simple minded. Women in secular courts prove that they are just as reliable & fallible as male witnesses. Not teaching women Torah is just like the American slave holders prohibiting the teaching of reading & writing to slaves to prevent them from gaining knowledge that would allow them to escape their bondage. By not teaching women Torah the men can prevent women from knowing what their true status is. The orthodox should end their myopic views on women and get a look at the real world so that the orthodox can be more realistic about women.

Tammy, if prayer is a private thing, why do we need a minyan? And if it is a private thing, why do you care what others are wearing while they do THEIR private thing? And if what offends the majority of the people is what decides, do you think there should be a vote of Israelis to decide what practices are unacceptable? And if you're bothered by what Jews from outside say, is that true for everything they all say or just when some of them agree with other Israelis and not you?

and there are subjective opinions. If an opinion is based upon science, mathematics, physics, extant texts, etc., then you can test the opinion. The opinion that I was replying to had no ground in the extant text of the Torah and she used names from the Torah to try to make her case. Channah, Miriam, and Dvora are upheld as tzedekot i.e., Torah keeping. It is revisionist to try to pass them off as Reform, Conservative, Charaedi or even as orthodox if orthodox means anything other than halacha. The people who are one keep all the Instruction of One. The Instruction requires only your best to keep ALL of it. If you pick and choose you are not included in the Brit, Jew or Ger.