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Jewish campus groups oppose UC Irvine boycott
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Published: 27.02.10, 09:38
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1. I live in the area. The only way to combat hatred
Boycott the UCI ,   Anti-Semitic UCI   (02.27.10)
is via the boycott. The Arab students and their supporters have brought to the USA the Middle Eastern hatred. No normal employer would want and should want to hire the UCI students who are polluting California with hatred that has been proliferating within the 22 brutal Arab dictatorships, It is that type of hatred that brought to us the 9/11 tragedy.
2. Wake up America! The UCI students bring to America
Dan ,   USA   (02.27.10)
the scent and flavor of the 9/11 tragedy.
3. Ambassador Oren tried dialogue, it does not work with Irvine
BBSNews ,   Charlotte, NC   (02.27.10)
The Leftists there and their Muslim Masters understand brute force only and a pinch where it hurts them most.
4. questions
observer ,   Lebanon   (02.27.10)
Ok then what was the response of the university admin? If it were a palestinian or pro-palestinian scholar giving speech wouldn't pro-"Israel" group make the same noise? Palestinians are semites so anti-semitism would apply as well.
5. The definition of "anti-semitism" gets broader and broader
Andrew ,   Canada   (02.27.10)
The definition of "anti-semitic" gets broader and broader every year. It has grown to the point that unless you espouse the right-wing nationalist pro-Israel view, you will be considered an Anti-Semite. It has become ridiculous.
6. Group punishement is a bad idea
Josh   (02.27.10)
Anyone who calls for not hiring any UC Irvine students is just asking to make enemies with the majority of UC Ivrine students who are not muslim or anti-semites. If pressure is needed it should be focused on persuading new admission to seek another school and spurring an equal and measure response to what goes on there. Best bet is to video and document all the anti-semitism and youtube it. The louder you get on the internet the more Irvine will take note of the cost of negative publicity. Don't make it personal to the students who probably hate the administration's tolerance of hate voices as much as we do.
7. I DONT THINK THAT MUSLIM STUDENTS MAKE POLITICS BUT TRUTHS
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (02.27.10)
once I was in an office of a doctor. and she said that childreen dont lie. ( my little baby was ill that time ...) CHILDREEN ONLY EXPRESS THEIRS FEELINGS. WRONG OR RIGHT ! BUT ALWAYS HONEST. *** YNITTTTTT ! BOBOOOO WHATS OPPPPPP :)
8. #4 Observer Lebanon
Sharona ,   Jerusalem Israel   (02.27.10)
NO, Jews sit and listen and don't disrupt. they are not ignorant morons like the Palis in this respect. A complete boycott of UC Irvine by Jewish parents is the only answer. What normal Jewish parent would send their kid to such a disgusting college is beyond me. Hey Jewish parents send your kids to world class Israeli universities! That is the answer!
9. Wel done Obamastan
Alon ,   Miami, FL, USA.   (02.27.10)
10. Lebanese observer
Ehud ,   Israel   (02.27.10)
No, Jewish groups wouldn't make that noise.They respect the rules of democratic engagement. In fact, they don't even make noise when the preachers of hate and Muslim fascism hold their neetings (maybe they should). With respect to thecword "antisemitism". It has been coined to denote hatred of Jews, not all semites. (Hadj Amin el-Husseini wascan ally of Hitler's who had nothing against Arabs). So the fact that the word is originally a misnomer doesn't give Arabs immunity!
11. #5, UCLA is where the PC idiots started.
Vicky ,   Ashkelon Israel   (02.27.10)
They believed Hitler was right because that was what he thought. With the Arabs Students, if there was not 1 single Jewish Student or Prof. they would start on all Christians. I don't think your ilk get it. They don't want anyone to be anything but Muslim so that we can all go back to the middle ages. You only have to look how ordinary Arabs live in their own countries. and that does not take a genius to work that out!
12. No. 5 Andrew
NYC Girl   (02.27.10)
Actually, what's ridiculous is the hypocrisy of the far left who have now become the new fascists. Not only that, but your hyperbolic argument about the "right-wing nationalist pro-Israel view" merely confirms that fact. Also, how would you describe those violent incidents against Jewish students who aren't even Israeli, if not anti-Semitism? In fact, I doubt these Muslim thugs and their sniveling lunatic fringe ass-kissers would even have the testosterone to attack Israeli students, because they know they would probably end up getting the beating of their miserable lives.
13. US Jews repeat mistakes which led to Holocaust
Steve   (02.27.10)
History repeats itself and this soon! During the early nineteen thirties, we had this very same debate: "Should we boycott Nazi Germany?" "NO," said many American Jewish leaders. "Dialogue and peace-seeking efforts are the way to address hateful Nazi behavior." Dialogue and peace-seeking efforts won the day.
14. Observer, Lebanon #4: Palestinians
Steve   (02.27.10)
The late Yasser Arafat and other leaders, claimed descent (on the part of the 'Palestinians') either from the Canaanites or the Philistines. Even Jesus, he said, was a Caananite or a Palestinian; not a Semite. This last claim is clearly spurious. When Semites do not behave like Semites, why should we consider them Semites?
15. Re: Boycotts as a tool for affecting change in behaviour
Apa ,   NYC   (02.27.10)
I assume you all then have no issues with the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) as a legitimate tool to affect change in Israeli anti-arab policies and what not? Racism as racism, no?
16. #14. why should arabs consider israeli's semites?
wae ,   aus   (02.27.10)
when the majority has genetic traits of easter eurpoeans and ethiopians, and while majority of israelis are migrants from europe., Again why should we believe that the these migrants who show traits of the white eurpoeans are semites when they do not display semitic features?
17. Five jewish groups protest...
Pierre ,   Paris France   (02.27.10)
There is absolutely no connection between the title of this article and its content. The title speaks of five jewish groups protesting the call to boycott Irvine University, whereas the article itself doesnt even mention who theses groups are, their names, whom they represent ..etc...Instead the article speaks of Bnai Brit and other organisations who strongly protest the univesity politics and do not at all speak against a boycott! Is this simply bad journalism, total incoherence, inability to think and articulate clearly and logically??? Or a political bias???Or a mixture of all these????
18. #16, wae: Why the Arabs should consider Israelites Semites.
Steve   (02.27.10)
I can already anticipate your response to me: "I'm an atheist. I don't believe the Bible. I don't believe there is a God," etc., etc., etc. The answer to your question is this. Read the Bible, particularly the prophets. The prophets wrote that God (if you will, wae) would gather the Israelites from the countries to Israel's north, back into the land of Israel. Why should we believe your conspiracy (quack?) science when we have the word of the living God?
19. Here is why these 5 UC-Irvine Jewish groups are wrong
Dr. L. Brnd ,   San Diego, USA   (02.27.10)
The issue is violent attacks and harrassment of UCI Jewish students by Muslim Student Assn., interference with Jewish free speech rights and UC-endorsed Jewish functions on campus, ongoing for more than a decade with virtually no action by bigoted UC officials looking the other way. BY CONTRAST, UC officials last week launched a hysterical response to a rumor (!) of a crude party ("Compton Cookout") held by some fraternity kids that ridiculed black "Gangsta Rap" behavior, although this party was held far from the campus, on private property, was not an official UC function, and was not witnessed by any black kids who could have been offended - UC officials called for severe discipline of those involved in this case, absent any complaints, witnesses or facts at all. Yet never similar calls for discipline by UC when a official UC functions right on the UC campus, Jewish-sponsored, is disrupted, only difference being it was Jewish, and despite UC police arresting 12 attacking MSA students (UC officials criticized the arrests!). This is why a boycott of donations to UC is entirely proper. Dialog has failed for the 12+ years this conduct has continued. UCI Jewish groups, in protecting their college, are displaying what resembles "battered wife syndrome" - fearing they will only make things worse by speaking out. German Jews felt the same way on 1935. The 5 UCI Jewish groups, by their plea for "more dialog" instead of pressure, are actually sending us a cry for help. Financial pressure is exactly the right pressure point, not just private donations, but demanding cuts in State and Federal funding until UC officials fix this. They would have done it already if an Al Sharpton or Nelson Mandela speech were disrupted by opponents of Affirmative Action or the like, or if the MSA held a violent demonstration praising the 911 Twin Towers attacks.
20. #16, "Semites" are a linguistic group, not a race
Nahum ,   SoCal   (02.27.10)
And you may want to read some books on genetics instead of asking idiotic questions about things you know nothing about.
21. #16
(02.27.10)
70% of israelis are descendants of semite jews born in arab lands and which were kicked out by muslim arab lands between 1948-1951. most isralis are sepharadi, which means descendants of jews from arab lands. not europeans! hameed aboughaze, iranian
22. #15
Steve   (02.27.10)
Of course, I have issues with anti-Israel / anti-Semitic boycotts of Israel. They are racist. They are anti-Semitic. They are hateful. They are extreme. But we know anti-Semites, Apa - NYC, will do what anti-Semites will do, Apa - NYC.
23. Re: #22, Steve - How convenient
Apa ,   NYC   (02.27.10)
If YOU are boycotting others, it is for the greater good. If OTHERS are boycotting you, it is antisemitism. The fact remains that a large portion of the population living within the de-facto Israeli borders since 40 years are and continue to be completely disenfranchised. In South Africa, that was grounds for boycotting. How is it suddenly antisemitic when applied to Israel? If you consider boycotting to be a legitimate tool for fighting various forms of racism (antisemitism, anti-arab sentiments and policies), you must be prepared to have it used against you, otherwise you are being hypocritical.
24. foolish fools. obviously they have not learned history.
ralph   (02.27.10)
25. Apa: #23
Steve   (02.27.10)
You wrote above, "I assume you all then have no issues with the BDS (boycott, divestment, sanctions) as a legitimate tool to affect change in" unfashionable Jewish behavior. Of course I have issues with your anti-Semitic boycott. But that is not the issue. Anti-Semites, Apa, will do what anti-Semites will do to affect change in Jewish behavior. In this instance it is defending ourselves from Islamic terrorism that makes you angry and frustrated. You want Jews to board the trains; to march into the gas chambers like good, compliant little Jews did in the early nineteen forties. This is what fashionable Jews did. They did what they were told to do by the standards of polite society. Anti-Semites believe there is NO right "to peace and security for Jews in their homeland," just as B'nai B'rith has written to UC Irvine university chancellor, quoted above in this piece. I am guessing this is what you believe Apa because this is what you are implying. There is no comparison between Israel and South Africa. Your comparison is bizarre. It is obscene.
26. #16
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (02.27.10)
your facts are completely off. First as Hameed - #21 states, the majority of Israelis are sepharedic - north african, middle eastern descent, not european. This is a result of the immigration in the 1950s when the jews were forced to leave the arab countries - estimated at 700-800 thousand. There descendents now outnumber the european descent Israelis. Second, genetic research carried out at Hebrew University and University College London has shown that the European Jews have a much closer genetic connection to middle eastern peoples than they do to European Caucasians. The research papers can be found in the scientific literature.
27. #4 Obserfer, Lebanon
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (02.27.10)
The term anti-semitism was coined in 1879 by a German named Wilhelm Marr who wanted to disassociate his hatred of Jews from any religious stance. Before him hatred of Jews was simply called Jew hate. He replace the word Jew with Semite and Judaism with Semitism in a pamphlet called "The Victory of Judaism over Germandom, Considered from a Non-Religious Point of View". The word anti-Semite was introduced by Marr into the political lexicon when he founded the League of Anti-Semites. The term has nothing to do with Semites. Semite in this case is a substitute for the word Jew.
28. Excellent post, Dr. Brnd.:
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (02.27.10)
I think you hit the nail on the head when you compared Jewish students' non-responses to "Battered Wife's Syndrome". I was a practicing psychologist for over thirty years and appeasement was exactly the response of these unfortunate women, always hoping that the husband would change. Intermittent rewards on his part always kept things going until she was beaten beyond all recognition or until she died.
29. If this was a Brit campus there'd be a 100 talkbacks, yet on
keshet g ,   London   (02.28.10)
your doorstep.. you have no comment. You (i.e. Americans) are too quick to comment on entire countries based on headlines. But ignore the beast within. Sad times :-(
30. The problem is much deeper than just UC-Irvine
Pumpkin Pie   (02.28.10)
Irvine is really bad, for unfortunately, this kind of anti-Jewish hate is taking root in many, many college campuses all across the U.S. and the world. The Muslims expect everyone to politely listen while they spew their hate, but if an Israeli shows up to speak, they try to shut the place down. Just look at what happened when Bibi tried to speak at the university in Canada a couple years ago.
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