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The animals in our midst
Ben Artzi
Published: 26.02.10, 00:50
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1. A rubber hose...
Curtis ,   USA   (02.26.10)
Someone should take a length of rubber hose and beat the "heck" out of the perpetrators. Then they will know that violence comes with a heavy price indeed.
2. Charles Darwin had an interesting definition of aggression..
Rivkah   (02.26.10)
Aggression is frustration in expectation of love. What is causing the young people to feel unloved?
3. Maybe time to promote Torah values?
Yosef ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.26.10)
Perhaps its time for Israel as a society to instill the youth with Torah values. Lets be honest here, while the National Religious and Haredi yout have issues they are fewer in numbers and less extreme.
4. Israeli society needs to grow up and face the music
Al   (02.26.10)
Save for those nationalistic youth who serve the country and are on the front lines of securing the nation, your youth have become the dregs of the Jewish world. I am speaking about both the religious and secular. I have been seen with my own eyes the incredible ausvorf behaviour of Israeli kids when they visit countries abroad.. Maybe its because I'm a Canadian Jew who lives in the golus and is sensitive to how Jews are viewed that I am appaled.. You as a nation have allowed your young Jews to follow their base desires with nay a concern or respect for their heritage. Your youth travel the world like crazed packs of freaks making total asses of themselves. They get into trouble and they expect and demand that others especially Jews help them.Their sense of entitlement is breathtaking in its chutzpah. Reap what you sow...they will not care for you in your weakest senior years.
5. A minimum five year prison sentence
jason white ,   afula,israel   (02.26.10)
with no parole,vacation time, visits by family, holidays. prison canteen and hard physical labor might be a deterrent. Also each punk should have to pay for the victims medical costs plus give each month half their salaries after they are released. That should be for the rest of their lives. If they do not work, then half their welfare or unemployment payments. Also most of these bars or clubs should be shut down and there should be a heavy fine and prison time for serving minors alcohol. Finally, Israel has to recruit a police force that wants to serve and defend the people. It seems that we do not really feel safe and the police, if they are on duty are doing things that are not connected with the safety of our country.
6. # 2 Maybe if
Sagi   (02.26.10)
they were not so ugly on the inside they would get the love they seek. There is only one method for cleaning up the streets, throwing the "trash" in the "can".
7. # 5 far too Lenient
Sagi   (02.26.10)
A helicopter, 5 kms. out to sea, a ball and chain and bye bye baby goodbye. Nothing less than that will solve the problem.
8. the problem is the arsim
observer ,   tel aviv   (02.26.10)
and the fact that they breed like flies
9. 6 Sagi: What makes them ugly on the inside?
Rivkah   (02.26.10)
Tesla bubbles activated by a HAARP electromagnetic grid over Israel similar to the Woodpecker Grid over America that Russia put there is another possible answer. The activated Tesla bubble like an upside down bowl causes mentally unstable people to kill themselves or others. Many people are on medications that damage the brain's perception of right and wrong such as SSRI's like Prozac, etc. The selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor drugs cause a person to feel good whether they do right or wrong. The perception of a conscience is gone that would normally convict them of an evil deed by making them feel rotten. Vaccines damage the brain with the mercury (thiomerosol) adjuvant and can cause cancer from the squalene adjuvant. Tylenol is liver toxic and aspirin can cause ulcers. Sugar can cause sugar psychosis. Alcohol is a sugar and sugar psychosis affects some people in a violent way. Is the plastic people are absorbing into their bodies that is so toxic it is causing diabetes a factor? Find the cause of the psychosis instead of masking the symptoms. But sadly, whatever the cause, the actions must be punished. The attackers must be put away in a mental hospital or jail for a long, long time.
10. Alcohol opens a person up to demon possession which
Rivkah   (02.26.10)
is why it is not a good idea for teenagers to drink. Adults should only drink in moderation unless they have a heavy heart and need to go to sleep. What happened sounds like demon possession or the boys are schizophrenic. What would that be? Gesenius' Hebrew Lexicon says to be insane means to be driven by a demon. Exocism may be needed. It could also be testosterone surges that cause the violence, so the young need to be taught to pound nails in a board or some other harmless activity when feeling aggressive.
11. agree, return to Torah values
blash ,   Los Angeles, USA   (02.26.10)
Being secular does not mean being violent, irresponsible, and irrespectable. Return to teaching Torah values. Doesn't mean forcing everyone to wear sheitels and not drive on Saturday, it means teaching people to respect themselves and what it means to be a Jew in the Land of Israel. If you are Jewish then by God you are Jewish and ought to behave like one! Israel is a land for Jews, no matter how inobservant you may be, not a land for goyim.
12. ben artzi 100% correct!
Randi ,   Jerusalem   (02.26.10)
13. They do it because they emulate movies and videos.
nero ,   jerusalem   (02.26.10)
I remember very clearly when as a teenager me and my friends would leave a movie and emulate the actions of the gangsters or action hero. Now kids are exposed to violent video games, violent movies, and violent music videos and violent rap lyrics. Kids internalize and emulate what they see. Society should better control what their kids see and learn. Otherwise it will suffer the consequences.
14. The cause is dehumanization of the 'other'
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (02.26.10)
When you believe that people,not belonging to your particular group are somehow the 'other' and therefore unworthy of the respect and treatment to which you feel entitled as a human being, this is the result. Unfortunately, in Israel, the idea of dehumanizing other human beings not of your group: Arabs, haredi, etc. is not only applauded bur actively encouraged.
15. The unthinkable is also a possiblity: nephillim beings.
Rivkah   (02.26.10)
Were their mothers raped by fallen angels and conceived nephillim children that are half human and half fallen angels. Are the fathers fallen angels masquerading as human beings? One of the saddest consequences is that the sins of the fathers are visited on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Y'hovah, Moses said. It would be advised for these boys to get vasectomies and to marry women who already have children like widows or those with get divorces, since fathering their own children would lead to judgment on the children and grandchildren the their sins.
16. Thugs into Geeks...
Orly ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (02.26.10)
Alcohol never prompted Ben Artzi a desire to beat up someone because he's a geek and even drunk he knows that he'll get the crap beat out of him. In the reported story again, the geeks were beat up while the drunk thugs lost their inhibition. Artzi is hoping that with sufficient consequences for such incidents the thugs themselves will wither away into geeks when compared with the police and penalties. Artzi is hoping that this role reversal will maintain its grip even when the thugs get drunk - I wonder if that is really possible or perhaps Artzi just took a few shots of vodka to "work up the courage" to write this article.
17. 13 Nero: The Bible saysto be careful what you hear.Good post
Rivkah   (02.26.10)
18. The Lord told me the problem is a chemical imbalance in the
Rivkah   (02.26.10)
thugs. Sounds reasonable. Do some heavy metals fecal and hair tests by sending prescriptions for them to Doctors' Data Inc. in Illinois and they will send a kit to analyze the feces and hair of the thugs. Most medical labs do not do that testing. That is where the Lord is indicating to me the problem will be found. Chelate out the toxins and toxic heavy metals and that should help.
19. 11
26.02.10   (02.26.10)
I saw these two on TV. They look Russian goyim. Maybe half Jewish mothers, i.e. Jewish grandmothers on mothers' side, which makes them Jews according to Halacha, but their genes are, excuse me, those of Russian drunk goyim. Sorry.
20. One of the causes of radiation chemical imbalance in people
Rivkah   (02.27.10)
in the use of cell phones and microwave ovens and color televisions, and computers, cordless phones, etc. How harmful is this effect? It is do harmful even the DNA is damaged. So, what do you do to neutralize the abnormal bio-electrical patterns in the body caused by wireless phones, etc.? The only proven technology is the "xZUBI" sticker that shows human DNA can be protected from the damaging effects of EMF/FR (electro magnetic radiation/racio frequency). "xZUBI" is a proprietary blend of activated paramagnetic and diamagnetic elements which neutralize the effect of man-made EMR (electro magnetic radiation) exposure on the human body. It has micro-thin layers of activated rare earth elements andand xSubi Apex. It works on wireless phones during "Talk" and "Standby" modes. That should be a protection from that radioactive chemical danger and can be ordered at www.xzubi.com . If that helps to reduce the "going postal" element present in the teenage attackers, that is a good investment. A six-pack of stickers costs a hundred US dollars plus shipping.
21. "Animals"? no only people do such things
Ellen ,   Arad   (02.28.10)
Why insult animals they are also victims of such people.
22. #13 absurd
ben Ish   (02.28.10)
people have been attacking and killing other people for the ENTIRE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY. Last time I checked, this included the time before movies. What excuse then???? Hello? Blaming other -things- instead of the individuals themselves contributes to the problem. It is called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. When people like you blame movies, videos, video games and anything and everything you can find except the individual, then YOU are directly contributing to the problem. For the record, when I was young I also saw many movies with fights, guns, violent confrontations, car thefts, explosions, you name it. TAKE A GUESS how many times myself or my friends attacked other kids after seeing these shows? Thats right. ZERO. Stop providing lame excuses for inexcusable behavior. The individuals ARE at fault, period.
23. the animals in our midst
debbie ,   israel   (02.28.10)
I am not an expert on the connection beween sex and violence on tv or in the movies, but I do know that most of us are subjected to it. I dare say that my kids have also seen their share of violent movies, and sexy soap operas. However, they have never mugged anyone on the street, lifted a hand to anyone, have never raped, and have formed loving relationships with their partners, family and friends. I believe that these "animals" who are so "affected" by what they see on the screen, were violent and nasty to begin with, with little compassion or empathy for others. To beat a young kid senseless because he didn't have a cigarette on him, could only be the act of a mean, bitter person.
24. animals
debbie ,   israel   (02.28.10)
TO JASON WHITE, I would like to add to your comment, that these young animals, should also be obligated to visit the youth in the hospital or at home, on a daily basis, reading to him, bringing him what he needs, and helping with his rehabilitation. They should also have to visit the family, helping them with shopping, repairs, and housework. This might help them to see other people as human beings, rather than objects. They have never learned compassion or empathy for others. Is there any way to teach it, at this stage? I have a feeling that they get some slick lawyer to get them off easy, and go off laughing. They should have to be in continuous contact with their victims and their families.
25. Alcohol
Susan Shiloni ,   Medford, NY   (02.28.10)
In the US alcohol is a huge problem with young people. The biggest problem is driving under the influence of alcohol. This is a huge and dangerous problem here. But, the violence that I read about in Israel doesn't seem to be a problem here. I wonder if this is not an alcohol problem, but a societal problem due to parental attitudes and prejudices deep rooted in sections of Israeli society. Alcohol may contribute to the behavior, but if you don't think violence is the way, alcohol probably won't change you into a violent person.
26. Blaming alchohol or movies is part of the problem
DovInBeitShemesh ,   Beit Shemesh, Israel   (03.01.10)
This will never be solved until we stop giving people excuses to act this way. The article is right on the mark about blaming alcohol. Alcohol just brings our what's inside. But this needs to be taken one step further - if we blame the alcohol we take the responsibility off the teen. The same is true of movies. I grew up on A-Team and Rambo and Terminator, the second two of which my friends kept a death count that got into the hundreds. But none of my friends ended up in any way violent. Adults and parents and teachers and role models all need to stop negative teachings. When the teens see adults able to have disagreements peacefully and reasonably, and see adults taking responsibility for themselves instead of blaming others for everything, and are taught that their future is in their own hands, maybe we'll have a shot at fixing this.
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