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Clinton: Goldstone problematic for other countries
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 26.02.10, 07:30
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1. right logic
nana ,   jerusalem   (02.26.10)
terrorists did terror without international agreements and neglected reports ..war on terror had don without international agreement they stop all reports .. it is not logic or right .. israil said iraqu war afghanistan war are crimes the same like gaza war so no need for reports ..... america said ...amen ... and
2. Clinton: Goldstone problematic for other countries
Ed ,   Hailey, USA   (02.26.10)
Why should the truth be "problematic"??? Just let Israel's supporters continue to play with this. They'll have the truth totally reconfigured.
3. Ed #2 and other dissenters:
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (02.26.10)
The point is, this isn't classical warfare where each side lines up from across the fields each in their respective uniforms. This is called asymetrical warfare where one side (terrorists) battle without adhering to classical rules, denigrate human life including the lives of their own people, use their children and women as human shields and expect the other, civilized side, not to fire because the other side feels compelled to be "compassionate" and "caring". The terror group convinces (or intimidates or forces)their own into suicide bombing and means to cause panic to the opposing party by indiscriminate killing and maiming. That is why the Goldstone Report, which subjects the "civilized" side to fight according to the classical rules of warfare but not the side of terror which, being uncivilized, has no need to adhere to any standards whatsoever. The USA, which is involved in deadly wars against terrorist organizations, can no more afford to be gentlemanly than Israel. Therefore, in the modern world. the Goldstone standards of lawfare no longer exist.
4. @ no. 2
AJ - Raalte   (02.26.10)
Ed, the Goldstone Report is so flawed, it's embarrassing. It's nothing but Arabian Nights fantasy tales. And has nothing in common with the truth!!!
5. I never admired women in politics ,clinton isn't an
Sami ,   Lebanon   (02.26.10)
exception either.Of course it is problematic for the US,because US=Israel and Israel =US,but not for sweden ,Finland or Norway.These countries arent afraid from the nowaday symphony called "terrorism" strange?.
6. #3 Robert, and more
R ,   Israel   (02.26.10)
Robert, well said! The Goldstone report gives Mexican drug cartels the right to attack any town in Texas with rockets, but the U.S. may not defend itself against the cartel for fear of accidentally hitting civilians. Apply that to any group in Europe or around the world.
7. "Muhammad Goldstone" is the way Mahmoud Abbas referred to Mr
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (02.26.10)
Richard Goldstone, re-naming after the prophet Muhammad. This is how much he is now elevated in the minds and hearts of people who have etched into their flags to "cleansed" the Land of its Jewish population, erase any trace of Jewish civilization from the Land that is its cradle and annihilate the UN member state of Israel (these goals can be found in the Charters of the PLO, Fatah, PFLP, etc.) Hamas has gone a step further. This Islamist organization and ruler of the Gaza Strip has named the latest and most advanced rocket in its possession "The Goldstone", one capable of reaching the outskirts of Tel-Aviv and designed to hit kindergartens of Jewish children at this distance. I am sure Mr. (Muhammad) Goldstone is very proud of his contribution to world peace and the right of all of human rights, including that of Jewish children to die prematurely by rockets fired by Islamists from Gaza...!!
8. Goldstone Report bad for other countries?
Barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (02.26.10)
The only reason the report is bad for other countries, is that they are behaving the same way in strategic warfare (or maybe even worse - Vietnam !) than Israel. Not that I am saying Israel was behaving in any way wrong. No, in our circumstances, it was probably the only way to defend ourselves. No way am I, or my nation, is going to turn the other cheek and walk to our deaths - no more.....
9. not a problem for US
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (02.26.10)
Clinton knows that the Goldstone report is not a problem for the US. The fact is that since his election Obama has committed many war crimes in Afghanistan, wiping out hundreds of civilians using remote-controlled drones. Just last week, Obama's forces murdered the innocent brother of a rebel leader who escaped their clutches. And instead of Goldstone, Obama received a Nobel prize. Despite these crimes
10. Hillary is mistaken
NYC Girl   (02.26.10)
This loathsome piece of trash known as the Goldstone Report is specifically aimed at de-legitimizing Israel's right to defend itself. Judge Goldstone, and the other UN terrorist ass-kissers, wouldn't dare criticize America (or the Europeans for that matter), because they know they can't get away with it.
11. Give us a good sob of outrage, Israel Israeli
Cameron ,   USA   (02.26.10)
Alas, the world just isn't fair, is it?
12. Hamas only wear uniforms for parades, funerals,flag burnings
Alan ,   SA   (02.26.10)
The whole nature of this asymetric warfare must be examined. Time for a new Convention on this type of warfare/terrorism.
13. Eitan
Brian Boisvert ,   USA   (02.26.10)
“Islamist organization and ruler of the Gaza Strip has named the latest and most advanced rocket in its possession "The Goldstone",” You have stated this several times without backing this claim up. Where is the proof of this?
14. #2 Ed, Don't call the lie truth
Navajo   (02.26.10)
then configure your mind, leave the Native Indian territories, Iraq, Aphganistan and go back to Londonistan where do you belong.
15. "Where is the proof of this"?, the "The Goldsone" that is
Eitan ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (02.26.10)
In Gaza, in the northern part of the Strip, not far from the Israeli border.
16. Eitan 2
Brian Boisvert ,   USA   (02.26.10)
You STILL have not supplied any sources to this bold claim that hamas as named a rocket after Goldstone. Where did you come across this information, assuming that you are not making this all up? Point me to another source that can verify your claim.
17. :: Ed - #2
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (02.26.10)
Ed I would like to draw your attention to the following by Robert Haymond. What Robert leaves out (in fact he can’t even bring himself to acknowledge this fact) is that the IDF also use Human Shields for the same logic. In fact the IDF have a policy of using Palestinians as Human Shields and employ this heinous war crime far more often than any Palestinian militant group. The following is from a Ynet article: “According to defense officials, the Israel Defense Forces made use of the ‘human shield’ procedure on 1,200 occasions over the last five years”. Even though the Israeli High Court ruled that the IDF were in breach of International Law by using innocent civilians as human shields to hide and cower behind the IDF still continues with this war crimes. In truth the IDF also, by choice, practice ‘asymmetrical warfare’ and not ‘classical warfare’ as Robert puts it. The following are the standard procedures that the IDF use; 1) Forcing innocent civilians (including women and children) at gun point to enter houses/building which contain armed gunmen and/or bobby traps. 2) Forcing innocent civilians (including women and children) to stand in front of IDF soldiers as they engage in armed conflict with Palestinian militant. 3) Forcing innocent civilians (including women and children) to stand in front of IDF soldiers as the IDF move through a conflict zone. 4) Forcing innocent civilians (including women and children) to remain (often for days) on the ground floor of a house which the IDF have taken over to use as a sniper nest. In each case the logic is that the Palestinian militant groups will not fire upon the IDF if the IDF are hiding behind Palestinian civilians. Or as Robert puts it: “not to fire because the other side (Palestinian militant groups) feels compelled to be "compassionate" and "caring"”. Obviously this statement by Robert falls to pieces when one acknowledges that the IDF do not use “classical rules of warfare” but rather has a policy of committing war crimes such as hiding behind innocent civilians when engaged in conflict.
18. Yea, RIGHT !
Bob Newhart ,   NY, USA   (02.26.10)
100 jewish 'congressmen' telling Clinton that Israelis should 'investigate' it's own war crimes. How very impressive.
19. Boisvert, Hamas announced it in Arabic, calling
Farid ,   Nablus, Palestine   (02.26.10)
the rocket "al-guldstone". If you read Arabic, Google for "al-guldstone" and you too will be able to find it.
20. Farid, ya ahi, it is called "al guldstune".
Hisham ,   Umm al Fahm, Israel   (02.26.10)
21. Numbers 19 & 20
Brian Boisvert ,   USA   (02.26.10)
Nope nothing on google using those two terms.... I am going to assume that Eitan is making this rubbish up to fit his agenda/lies.
22. Goldstone has earned his place under the sun as a Muhammad
Benjamin ,   Cape Town, SA   (02.26.10)
Goldstone, and he certainly deserve to have his name etched on the new rockets targeting Jewish children in Israel.
23. #2 idiot!
(02.26.10)
it is problematic for you because what you and nato allies are doing in iraq and afghanistan is exactly what will take you and nato allies to the criminal court as well. us and nato killed by mistake 900 civilians in just 2009 in afghanistan by errant missiles and their fight against terrorist strongholds there. according to goldstone standards of warfare against terrorism, you will also be eligible to be brought to the international criminal court as well. DON'T YOU SEE THAT??? DON'T YOU SEE THAT THIS REPORT AIMED MAINLY TO TIE ISRAEL'S HANDS BEHIND HER BACK AND REFUSE HER THE ABILITY AND RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE???? think a bit, do you want obama, hillary and all you americans to end up in the icc????? the TRUTH IS THAT ISRAEL IS ALLOWED TO DEFENDE ITSELF AGAINST A BARRAGE OF 13,000 ROCKETS EMINATING FROM ENEMY TERRITORY. IS ALLOWED TO STOP THEM FROM KILLING THEIR CIVILIANS AND IS ALLOWED TO RESPOND TO ANY TERROR ATTACKS INTO THEIR COUNTRY.
24. #5
(02.26.10)
hate to bring this to your attention, but, do you know who are the NATO ALLIES THAT ARE FIGHTIMNG IN AFGHANISTAN????? AND BOMBING CIVILIANS TO DEATH IN THEIR PERSUIT OF THE TALIBAN TERRORISTS???? yes, my friend, the countries you mentioned, switzerland, finland and norwat are part of nato alliance and do take part in the bombing in afghanistan that killed 900 innocent civilians in their persuit of the taliban in just 2009!!!!! it is not only the usa...and israel is not part of the nato bombing campaign in afghanistan at all. nato is composed of most european countries and the usa in fighting terrorism abroad. israel is not a member, but has THE RIGHT TO FIGHT TERRORISM ON ITS BORDERS AND DEFEND ITS CITIZENS AND THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS BOMBING 5000 MILES AWAY FROM THEM. THEY ARE DOING IT 10-30 MILES AWAY FROM THEIR BORDER. THE USA AND ANTO EUROPEAN ALLIES HAVE NO REASON TO KILL 900 INNOCENT AFGHANI PEOPLE. AFTER ALL, THESE 900 KILLED IN JUST 2009 ALONE BY NATO AND USA ARE NOT TERRORISTS ON EURPEAN AND USA BORDERS, ARE THEY???? SWEDEN, FINLAND AND NORWAY ARE PART OF NATO ALLIES BOMBING AS WELL. DON'T FORGET THAT. SO IS SPAIN, ENGLAND, FRANCE, AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES DOING THE BOMBINGS IN BOTH IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. israel is not involved there. hameed aboughaze, iranian
25. #11
(02.26.10)
ok. is it fair that the usa and all nato allies killed 900 afghani civilians in just 2009 alone, not to mention thousands of innocent iraqis in their pursuit of terrorists???? is that not also a crime against humanity? is that not also a crime that can be brought to the icc? what is the difference??? i tell you. while the usa is pursuing terrorists 5000 miles away from its border and these terrorists are not an immediate threat to any european and american civilians...israel is pursuing terrorists 30 miles away from israeli towns and civilians that lobbed 13,000 rockets into israel with the aim to terrorise, maim, kill and murder its innocent civilians. not a single missile coming from gaza was aimed at any military base in israel. they were all aimed at schools, crowded bus stations, malls, civic centers, kindergardens, etc... with the specific aim to murder as many jews as possible, especially children. the gaza hamas excuse was that these children will grow up to be soldiers anyway so that they are a legitimate target. see the absurdity here?????? the usa and all european countries in nato alliance murdered 900 innocent afghani civilians just in 2009 alone by errant missiles, by drone missiles and by attacks on terror strongholds. yes, 900 innocents were murdered in afghanistan and let's not even mention the thousands innocents murdered and killed in iraq by nato and usa. does you country and european countries in nato have a different right that israel does in their self defense????? think again! hameed aboughaze, iranian
26. #17
(02.26.10)
please show us the ynet article that claims israel used thousands of palestinian human sheilds. then, we may believe your claim. otherwise, yellow journalism. hameed aboughaze, iranian
27. #18
(02.26.10)
please list the names of the 100 JEWISH congressmen that you refer to. hameed aboughaze, iranian
28. Hameed Abughaze
Hal ,   Usa   (02.26.10)
I love it, give em the truth and they'll think its hell! Go baby, you're the lead horse on this blog site.
29. #25
Cameron ,   USA   (02.26.10)
Those forever proclaiming a unique, and superior virtue & role in human affairs shall be held to a much higher standard of conduct and morality, hameed. More shall be expected of them.
30. 23
Rosie   (02.26.10)
And what about Serbian civilians killed by NATO bombs while crossing bridges?
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