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Much talk, little fact
Sima Kadmon
Published: 27.02.10, 14:00
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1. Newbie entry level Writer
Sami ,   Lebanon   (02.27.10)
The author Sima Kadmon sugget us to shut up and do not open mouth because “We have no idea how it works; we have no idea what was planned, who carried it out, and what exactly took place in Dubai.” The word “WE” is not correct here .If the author don’t know what really happen, the rest knows and especially Dubai police. “the days where we adored everything that our security forces did and believed they cannot do wrong or fail are long gone,” Agree ,it seems this idea getting its way to the most selfish Israeli . “He said that the operatives who were “burned” and the elements that were uncovered are not the important things.” Of course the important is Mobhooh is dead and in grove. “he said, is that the operation was undertaken under difficult conditions,”Oh yeah very difficult to enter Dubai with foreign passports. Very difficult to take unarmed single man without any security measure and bodyguards around. Funny…………. “A great injustice had been done here mostly to Mossad Director Meir Dagan, said the man”Unjustice?!!. Meir Dagan awaiting the justice from above from high above .The bloody justice from his victims in the Day of Judgment and Accountability.
2. Article's main point is right
Gilad ,   London UK   (02.27.10)
We don't really know what happened. Every day Dubai blames another 5-6 people. Soon we'll find out 100 Mossad agents were there... actually Dagan was there himself, with a fake mustache. Actually, Dubai will tell us that they discovered that Mossads headquarters was actually in one of the hotels. This entire farse has been a joke. At first I believed Dubai, but as they released more and more info, never releasing info on Mahbuch of course, not his passport, not his handlers, not his purpose of visit (I note that because his aides said he used many fake passports and bought arms for terror groups), we discover that it is less and less likely Israel did anything. Over 26 people now accused, over 3 of them fled to Iran. Are you joking? While it's not impossible, it's bordering impossible the likelyhood that the Mossad sent so many operatives (it only has a small number, most are just informants within enemy forces) and had some flee to Iran for cover. This sounds more like a joke or a spy movie where everything goes wrong than any kind of real operation. But who cares, the media writes what it wants, and foreign govs buy up the Dubai case as fact without much consideration that Dubai has a real interest to besmirch Israel. So my points are all irrelevant. Circumstansial evidence by Dubai (which we are assuming is legitimate) is taken as fact, and the suspects are assumed to be certainly involved. Spy agencies worldwide must be worried about how easily world leaders are duped into blaming other parties with nothing but a bit of camera footage.
3. Dagan suffered injusticeWHAT A FUNNY!
Salma ,   Palestine   (02.27.10)
Yes, Dagan must resign
4. Well said Gilad
Yaron ,   USA   (02.27.10)
Eat your heart our Sami. The way it works in the FREE WORLD is called due process.....something you savages have never considered. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Until someone (not the sheep-hearder police chief of Dubai) can furnish tangible evidence that Israel did it.....my money is on the Islamo-fascists of Iran or Hamas that is respobsible for this act. If I lose that bet and it was Mossad....better yet.
5. Salma
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (02.27.10)
Lets see. Say what you may, laugh, disparage, blame Israel, blame the Mossad, blame Dagan. In the final analysis, neither you, Tamim or any of the commentaries have any evidence who did or did not do the deed. And in your honor/shame mentality you cannot accept the fact that this is the case. Tamim is grasping at straws and the so called in the know commentators are doing the same.
6. because you are blind to the big fact coming from Israel
observer   (02.27.10)
at first the Israeli said they neither deny nor confirm. Now, the Israelis are keeping silent. In that part of the world, keeping silent is taken as agreement to the proof.
7. #4 Speaking of 'innocent until proven guilty'...
Adele ,   Toronto   (02.27.10)
how about Guantanamo bay? In the free world we don't use other countries passports and murder foreign nationals in foreign countries. Also, we don't torture.
8. Dubai Police admits today there is no proof and demands that
better observer   (02.27.10)
Israel self incriminate just because Arabs want to believe their own lies.
9. I suspect it was an Iranian hit and Mambuh
Ron ,   LA   (02.27.10)
was a double agent. Most likely the hit was done by Iranians once they discovered he was leaking info to Mossad.It pretty easy to get real identities of Israeli citizens. This was the way to implicate Israel and get away with it. One thing is for sure. There is no way Israel would send 28 agents to a hotel in Dubai to kill a person. This is nonsence.
10. #7
Yaron ,   USA   (02.27.10)
No issue with it....enemy combatants who should be tried in military tribunals for crimes against humanity. Long live the pre-emptive doctrine brought back to life by George W. Just because the Canadians and the EUROS have not been "accused with no proof' does not mean they do not do it darling. Once again on the torture....proof please.
11. #9
mark ,   ca   (02.27.10)
3 of the suspects left day after to Iran, according to Dubai's media.
12. To #4 Yaron from the Free World
Sami ,   Lebanon   (02.28.10)
Yaron , you are a person of perception rather than reality .I am not eating my heart at all ,I am really enjoying this crime episode and the way Dubai police is presenting his facts to the media. Slowly and drop by drop to keep the action and the investigation flavor very piquant. Exactly like the famous 1001 Arab night tale. Irish, British, Australian, French …..are summoning Israeli ambassador for a tea party or to have a glass of champaign with them ,don’ they ? What an ignorant, selfish, flat minded Jew you are. Cannot wait for the proof? It is coming, hold up your horse buddy. The arrest warrant will reach this time the top head of the failing criminal Zionist regime. “Innocent till proven guilty “ where ?in Israel or America George W Bush ,where thousand in jail or years based only on suspicion , come on who has a house from glass better shut up and don’t throw stones. The pre-emptive doctrine you are supporting is firing back on all who support it. The moron George W Bush with his preemptive doctrine created more problem and terror for America than could think off. The preemptive doctrine is killing hundred of innocent civilian in Afghanistan ,Pakistan and that is why Taliban is back and al-quaeda enjoying flourish and support almost every where now. You in Israel, need another century to reach the liberty and judicial system in Canada.
13. The island of Israel
Jongo ,   Australia   (02.28.10)
Sima Kadmon's opinion is irrelevant because everyone else in the world and probably most Israelis know it was Mossad. The act of denial and clinging to the flotsam of a media shipwreck is not helping Israel's international image. It's making you look delusory. So let go of your whacko scenarios about Iran faking passports and Dubai getting it wrong and apologise. Then move on.
14. to # 1
Ariel ,   São Paulo Brazil   (02.28.10)
Sami Before worrying about what happens in Kuwait, you should ask why Nasrala do not comes out of his bunker inthe past three years. Today is Purim, and we celebrate the defeat of those who wanted to kill us. And do not worry, no secret service sends 28 players (for now) to kill a person.
15. #1 Sami
Hal ,   Usa   (02.28.10)
Sami, did you read the article with your glasses on? Kadmon was saying that everybody talks as "if" they know what happened Sami. What part of if don't you understand? Kadmon at least admitted that Israelis don't "always" believe everything that their govt tells them. That to a reasonable person sounds pretty healthy for a society. You on the other hand believe anything you hear at the bazaar. Any rumor will do for you guys, and the next thing you know, people are being thrown off of rooftops. Settle down Sami. The police chief is running low on suspects so wait until Iran tells him what to say. Have you entered detox yet?
16. #12 Salma
Hal ,   Usa   (02.28.10)
How about Abbas? Should he resign as well. After all, wasn't he the guy that was pushing Olmert to crush Hamas during Cast Lead ? It's on tape. There is actually proof in this case, unlike in the Dubai soap opera. Just asking.
17. #6 stupid!
(02.28.10)
don't you know that mossad policy has ALWAYS BEEN TO NEVER DENY AND NEVER CONFIRM. THEY OPERATED LIKE THIS FOR AGES. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. mossad never denies or confirms anything. but, this is still not proof that they did it. proof first, then maybe we'll believe mossad did this. hameed aboughazem iranian
18. Yaron #10 again
Sami ,   Lebanon   (02.28.10)
After Sep 11, thousand were thrown in jail in the US based on their Arabic ,muslim ,Pakistani etc……..origin all in the name of your pre-emptive war.They invented the patriot act and pre-emptive arrests based on based on intelligence info that in most case were wrong. “Making the Arrest before the Crime “ Thousand and thousand jailed for years without any access to lawyer or any kind of legal protection in the name of security threat/. Time goes(years and not month or days) the number shrink to 50000 ,the rest were innocent ,then the number shrink again to a couple hundred that were somehow linked to al quaeda . The whole Guantanano prison is kept so far for 200 terrorist s who fighted in Afghanistan with all the horror stories coming from your Free World offshore out of the law and secret prisons. Then what!? we come down to just 5 waiting for real trail in the Court. This almost copy what is happening in Israeli prisons with Palestinian. Oh, you the Free World ignorant, will you give compensation for thousand jailed for years for no reason.
19. #10 Haha, seriously?
Adele ,   Toronto   (02.28.10)
You want proof America uses torture? Look no further then former vice prez Dick Cheney who admitted to giving the go ahead for it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/cheney-admits-central-rol_n_151515.html
20. #19 Are you serious
Yaron ,   USA   (02.28.10)
Which word did you not understand about controversial interrogation tactics?
21. #13 deny or not deny ,for people like you Israel is always
guilty ,   no matter what   (02.28.10)
22. All 28 suspects caught.
Shajan ,   India.   (02.28.10)
Dubai police is very efficient. They caught all the 28 suspects on tape. Now, the tapes are in prison serving their term.
23. SAMI
(02.28.10)
ranting and raving like a lunatic makes your post a post of an immature third grader. i as a muslim from iran, living in the usa part of the year sees you as someone i am ashamed of. please, sami. control your dellusion and stop pointing fingers at those even the dubai police can never blame simply because NONE OF THEM HAS ANY FACTS OR PROOF. NONE! just because you think or wish israeli mossad did this, you have to behave as in the western world. innocent until ptoven guilty. i understand that is sharia law and in arab islamic courts in general there is no shred of rule of law and sentencing is errant and guilt or innocence is trivial to the outcome of the trial. but, israel as the rest of the modern civilized world holds the rule of court like this: innocent until proven guilty. and not like the arab court.. OFF WITH HIS HEAD! we are civilized here. we are not arab barbarians, sami. the proof sami. the proof! please. otherwise you have nothing. not a single thing. oh, and by the way, two arrests were arab palestinians in jordan. the other two agents left dubai BY BOAT TO IRAN! do you think mossad weill run to iran? idiot! but only an arab idiot like yourself can dream up a fantasy like this like in 1001 arabian nights. hello!!!! this is 21st century sami. we are modern. we have no sharia courts here and are not arab conspiracy theorists. intelligence, my friend, intelligence. develope one! hameed aboughazem iranian
24. TO #16 Hal,Abu Mazen should resign today before tomorrow
Salma ,   Palestine   (02.28.10)
Yes, of course, Abu Mazen should resign, but not for the funny reason you mentioned because what I know is that Olmert is not following the orders of Abu Mazen, do you think that the Israelis have worked for and carry out our orders?!!! Really yu think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
25. #23 to the civilized Hameed
Sami ,   Lebanon   (02.28.10)
Don’t you think your name is not very suitable to be that civilized American idol you pretended to be? Plus Aboughazem sound very old-fashioned muslim name. What about “Hammond Guzman” sound better for an Iranian jew right? This a free tip for you buddy.
26. SAMI
Yaron ,   USA   (02.28.10)
Your posts sound like a ranting lunatic in an arab refugee camp in Lebanon....c'mon Sami let's have an honest debate here. You can't honestly believe the nonsense you post here, do you? You are lucky you found a self-hating forum like ynet to allow your garbage to be posted but I will ask you the following question.....are you able to open your pie hole on Al Manar online or some other fascist new outlet that acts as a mouthpiece for your terror leaders? You are lucky there are arab sympathizers in the Israeli press as your society is vile when it comes to political debate and discourse.
27. Mossad Credit Cards
jdledell ,   USA   (02.28.10)
For those of you still in denial about Israel's involvement in the assassination, just follow the credit card trail. These credit cards were issue aby a very small Iowa bank, MetaBank. While MetaBank's name was on the credit card, they were actually handled as prepaid credit cards by a NewYork/TelAviv company by the name of Payoneer. Payonner's CEO is Yuval Tal a former Special Ops commando for the IDF. It's a very small companyof a few dozen employees who would NEVER make the mistake of issuing cards to even a hint of Israeli enemy status. Furthermore all of Payoneer's stock holders are Israeli Venture Capital companies located in Herzliya, including BRM Group which includes Nir Barket, mayor of Jerusalem. The complete picture of Mossad's involvement will come out eventually so get over it.
28. observer @ 6, which part of the World do you mean?
leo ,   usa   (02.28.10)
Because if it is Middle East, it does not matter what you think or better yet it is even good when you are afraid. If it is West they still require a proof and silence is just a silence.
29. SAMI
(02.28.10)
so now you wish to change my religion and identity from a moderate muslim to a jewish iranian living in iran??? i have no quarrel to jews living in iran and i believe that knowing them while i live in iran is pleasure and friendship, even for a muslim like me. i do not practice hate as my profession and i am not antisemite. i am also educated, unlike you. my eyes are open. my mind is open and i can read and analyze situations, unlike you. i live in los angeles as an iranian national with dual citizenship. that doesn;'t make me an idol, but a man that has seen the light and can think for himself and doesn;t follow the umma mantra like you do. i am an independent thinker. that the above make me a jew? if that's the case, then i consider this a compliment since most jews and isrselis i met in the usa and europe are brilliant, loving and kind people and i am proud to be their friend and have them for dinner in my home, which i often do. to me, i don't label. they are all human beings, not only jews or israelis. to you, they are your hate. but not for me. my name is aboughaze, not aboughazem, with an ending m. please learn to read first before you post. if i was born with a jewish or any other name i would still adhere to my enlightened points of view. being a muslim doesn't mean you have to be blind deaf or dumb or follow the muslim path in rejecting anyone not of our religion. also, if i was born with a jewish name, i would still carry it with pride considering how much the jews have contributed to the civilized world, to medicine, to civilization and knowledge considering that they have been persecuted, hated, eliminated and killed in so many numbers. only a hater and antisemite perosn like you would consider that a jewish name is evil. sorry for you. sorry that you are arrested in your hate, in your jealousy and total ignorance and uneducated. so, please stop. it will make you more healthy at the end. hameed aboughaze, iranian
30. #27
(02.28.10)
and this is where you are wrong. ANYONE, ARAB, PALESTINIAN, ETC... CAN WALK INTO SUCH A BANK AND ASK FOR CREDIT CARDS. ANYONE.....IN ORDER TO IMPLICATE ISRAELIS' INVOLVEMENT. ANYONE CAN ASK FOR CREDIT CARDS FROM THIS BANK. ANYONE, NOT JUST ISRAELIS. hameed aboughaze, iranian
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