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Signs hung overnight against 'kosher' buses
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 03.03.10, 09:43
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1. Good luck Sisters
Avi ,   Israel   (03.03.10)
Good luck Sisters in fighting religious coercion. Just one more example of the charideem inflicting their so called life style on others. As usual violence is part of their tactics, we must stop this before they start trying to segregate women in Tel Aviv. This is Israel not Iran !
2. Its 2010 A.D NOT B.C
Nimrod ,   Baghdad, Iraq   (03.03.10)
yes I agree this Minister should resign, what type of mentality is this? Israel should expel these idiots, stop trying to take an entire nation back to the dark ages. Move to Iran or Saudi Arabia you can make your dreams come true there, Israel is a modern state its not SHIITEISTAN.
3. How to?
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.03.10)
So how does one contact this group to participate instead of just reading about it in the news afterward? Have tried googling - no help. Other suggestions?
4. Gender separation on buses
roxie ,   K.HaimIsrael   (03.03.10)
Here's an idea let the men be forced to sit at the back of the buses, let them feel what it is like to be treated as second class citizens, which is how women feel when forced to the back of the bus!
5. TO #2 Hey Nimrod what about new Iraq?!!!!
Salma ,   Palestine   (03.03.10)
extremists are everywhere and "Israel" is not exception you have mentioned Saudi Arabia and Iran, I wonder in your new Iraq is there like these idiots as y described them?!
6. BOYCOTT! Viva Rosa Parks!
R ,   Israel   (03.03.10)
Every day until Egged gives in. Organize car pools, etc. That's how they did it in the south in the 60s and it worked.
7. make men walk
Lisa   (03.03.10)
how about banning those men from the buses? How much longer is this debate going to go on? Another 2000 years or so should be about right. There is NOTHING that can explain this ruling/behavior/demands to any intelligent person in the 21st century. These people are clearly not fit to survive in a modern society- they should go live in the sthicks somewhere where they can do no harm and not offend anyone. Israel is doing the country a disservice to allow this kind of blackmailing of the public.
8. Do not defy Hashem
Loyal Jew ,   Efrat   (03.03.10)
Gender separation is Hashem's plan for His people. Finally the charedim have the numbers and influence to enforce it. It will improve our public life. Neglect it and it will anger Hashem, not a good idea.
9. Men need assistance in keeping their eyes and hands off
Rivkah   (03.03.10)
women when there is evil intent. Even King David had a problem with his eyes when they saw a naked woman on a rooftop taking a bath (Batsheva). The way women who are not religious dress, it is almost pornographic since they do not care about being modest but prefer to look like sluts to be like celebrities who should not be role models. The decolte plunging necklines and the hemline of skirts nearly to their bottocks. If women dressed modestly there would be little need for separation of the sexes on buses. But so many women want to tempt all men, as if that is a badge of honor. Or they think they have to dress like sluts to hold onto a man by being a slutty sight to other men to make the one man they want to hold onto jealous. The only man worth holding onto is Y'hovah. If he is not in the man, the man is nothing. Y'hovah wants women to be modest in their apparel. If that does not please the man a woman wants, then he does not have Y'hovah in him and is not worthy of the name man and should not have the woman's affections or respect.
10. WHERE is it G-d's plan, #8?????
John ,   Europe   (03.03.10)
Show me, paste here a direct link on pasuk where it is said! Don't give me "oh, this rabbi thought this could be a good idea" thing!
11. #8 Lyal what?
Lisa   (03.03.10)
this has little to do with religion but everything with human rights- and any religion that does not respect the fact that all humans have equal rights. A religion that is outdated and ddiscriminatory has no place on this earth anymore- be it Jewish, Christian or Islam. These people only have the numbers to make a fuss because they came to Israel- because there is an Israel now- before they were perfectly happy and quiet in Brooklin and Great Neck etc...they are tolerated- and if and when the secular population wises up and puts its foot down- they will be out in the cold- or have to go back to the sthetl... .
12. Let the chardi BUY their own busses, run them on
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (03.03.10)
whatever routes they want and be responsible for being financially viable. Egghed could lease some buses for a few months and if it is financially OK, then let the charadi buy buses, new, used, whatever they want. Other idiots in the world make women wear clothing that covers them from head to toe so the men won't be aroused. charadi men can just put on dark sunglasses smeared with grease and they won't be able to see anything that could arouse them. If you want to be on the far, far edge of society, YOU be the one to come up with a solution that protects you, don't expect the whole world to accommodate you.
13. why the bother?
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (03.03.10)
If the ultra religious, in their own area, which to sit this way, why should the liberal care? It seems to me that this is just plain anti religious hatred. They go from one religious area to another, that is all, I know, I ride the bus in Jerusalem.
14. Men and Women can sit separately...and STILL BE EQUAL.
(03.03.10)
Men to the back, women - who usually are with the children - to the front. this way, we are trying to please Hashem and being fair to women.
15. #6 Do not defy Hashem
Df ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (03.03.10)
And pray tell, where does Hashem say that women have to be segregated and forced to sit in the back of the bus ? I would appreciate a reference to Hashem telling us Jews to do that.
16. segreation
colin   (03.03.10)
An eye for an eye -a tooth for a tooth. Words are the cowardly way to rectify the siuation.Form groups including women and ride the busses in th front only and break the bones of the parasites and haridim who try to stop you or bad mouth the ladies.After a few land in hospital thier rabbis will have plenty to say. Even pull the eyes out from a few haridim for them to remember all thier lives.Egged does not give a damn They want money.
17. Perfect Example Of Why Israel Shouldn't Be A Jewish State
World Citizen ,   the world   (03.03.10)
As long as Israel can't even define what it is to be a Jew how can it be a Jewish state? If you base your country on religious teachings then you are hopelessly locked into the primitive past. I mean if you are going to base your codes on the Torah or the Talmud won't you have to obey all the rules in those documents? Shall you stone your children to death for talking back to you? And if you base your country on tribal association or race then you have to acknowledge the apartheid nature of your. After all, some of the people living in Israel (Jews) will be more worthy of its rights than others. Why not a single secular state in the former Palestine with equal rights for all citizens? Why not a constitution declaring those rights? Why not the right to practise whatever religion you want or not practise a religion and not be pursecuted for it? Why not let your religious fanatics, who are nothing more than Jewish mullahs, pay for and run private buses for people who believe like them and let the civil authorities run buses where all colors, creeds, ethnicities, sexual orientations are given a seat on the bus on a first come first serve basis? Israelis want the civilised world to believe they are a democracy. Why don't you start acting like it.
18. for Bunny, a bit of history
Larry ,   Los Angeles   (03.03.10)
for your information, the charadim started the 'mehedrian' bus line with their own buses. The city was not too happy and Egged lost much business, hence Egged compromised and began the Egged mehedrian lines.
19. 8 loyal Jew [ ???? ]
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.03.10)
Where was your hashem during the Shoa ? Angered at babies ? or at god fearing Jews ? . Give me a proof that your god exists . "Loyal Jew" ?
20. not back & front BUT left & right.
m&m   (03.03.10)
21. Larry 18 , first you have to win the tender
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.03.10)
When a new bus line is planned there is a tender issued . Others can make an offer , Egged and Dan have lost many lines . In my town , it's now Kavim . From Beth Shemesh to Jerusalem , it's another company . But they all gave the best conditions . That to exploit existing lines , the same for new ones . And Egged Mehadrin lines , very cheap , are subsidised by the NORMAL passengers , who have to pay MUCH more for same distances . You can see for yourself on the Egged webpages .
22. m&m How sweet
Paul ,   Trinidad   (03.03.10)
But the picture shows men sitting on both left and right. What's more there seems to be a woman in the right front seat but the guy behind her looks like he's about to attack her
23. Segregated buses
Marilyn ,   USA   (03.03.10)
The segregated bus idea is just something that's doomed to fail. Might as well admit it and let it go.
24. What is this nonsense about women and men being equal???
Rivkah   (03.03.10)
Adam's first wife was named Lillith who was made from the clay of the earth as Adam was, equal to him. But Lillith did not want to be equal. She wanted to be superior and when Adam got tired of being on the bottom in coitus and wanted to be on top fora change, Lillith left the Garden of Eden and became the demon spirit that a causes women to hate their husbands and children and to abort their babies. Y'hovah learned that man and woman needed a headship, not equality. So he made Adam's second wife from Adam's rib so she would be a companion and a helpmate to Adam. Eve solved the problem of Adam being in control in coitus by having sex with the serpent (devil) and conceiving Cain who was Abel's twin, although Abel was conceived by Adam. Adam loved Eve and left the Garden of Eden rather than to lose her even though she was sexually unfaithful.
25. 9 , it are the "husbands" of modest dressed
JOL ,   B.   (03.03.10)
"women" who want those segregated buses . Normal people don't ask them , the contrary
26. 25JOB,B. : Of course the husbands of modestly dressed women
Rivkah   (03.03.10)
want segregated buses, so they don't have to look at women who are not modestly attired. The Bible says to pluck out the eye if it offends you. The way to avoid having an offending eye is not to look at what is offensive. It is better to enter the Kingdom of God without an eye or a hand than to go to hell with them.
27. 24 , you are certainly NOT equal
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.03.10)
Only normal women are 100 % equal to men , bigots not .
28. 27C of P.T.: Women are not the same as men so they
Rivkah   (03.03.10)
are not equal. Apples are not oranges although both are edible. They are not equal. They are different and God has some roles for men and some for women and some roles for both.
29. That's how they left Mitzraim - big machizahs
Josh   (03.03.10)
30. #28R: This doesn't add up to women having to scrunch up and
(03.03.10)
head to the back of a bus, pregnant with children in tow. Hashem - and true chachamim and tzadikim have a high opinion of women - why don't you?
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