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Ben-Gurion Square to be inaugurated in Paris
Itamar Eichner
Published: 07.03.10, 08:00
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1. Pres. Shimon Peres will do the honors
Miri ,   Israel   (03.07.10)
in naming a square for David Ben Gurion in Paris. I believe this is great news and kol hakovad to our emissary Peres - may he be with us until 120.
2. Oh man
Cameron ,   USA   (03.07.10)
The Muslims in France are going to go bonkers on March 13. Will be an interesting day in Paris, yes it will.
3. Cameron you're wrong and you better travel more
Sultan ,   Jeddah   (03.08.10)
I will be in Paris I could not care less about this event. But congrats to Israel- what difference would it make for me or any Muslim if there was a Ben Gurion statue in France?
4. #3
(03.08.10)
you are right. you are civilized and a man of the world. therefore you don't seem to reject anything and everything positive for israelis abroad. however, you are in the minority in france where muslim riots, muslim killing of jews, muslim harrassment of jews and their rabbis on streets and muslim targetting of synagogues and jewish schools where muslim antisemitic incidences tgrippled in just this year, point to the fact that you, sir, are in the minority. most muslims in france are not educated. they are immigrants who shelter themselves in their own mellas and ghettos and refuse to assimilate into the french community and request contunually special laws for themselves, like sharia and other laws. their protests against jews and israel on the streets of france end up in violence. most of these immigrants are not educated and have never been educated in their arab countries as well. they are mostly primitives that do not partake and not contribute anything to french society except violence, demonstrations, tire burnings in paris and elsewhere and university campus demonstrations that turn violent as well. there is a huge problem with them in both france and england and you know this because it is always in the news. so, yes, i would say that maybe you don't care about this square of ben gurion, but they will. it is a mater of time till it is defaced or destroyed by your arab thugs in paris. pierre toulouse, france
5. Primitives?
Gottfried Stutz ,   All over the place   (03.08.10)
Pierre of Toulouse, I wonder what you're talking about. First, most Muslims assimilate well in France. Second, their protests usually target Israel, not the Jews. When did you see a Muslim protest targeting Jews as such in France? Third, the whole premise (and that of the e-mail by Cameron, I'm afraid) is partial. Not only Muslims, but also non-Muslim Arabs, and many French people whatever their religion, will fill offended by a square named after the military architect of Palestinian dispossession. As for your comment about Muslims in France being "mostly primitives", that's plain discriminatory, derogatory and, ultimately, stems from colonial racist-type thought. Je me demande même si vous habitez à Toulous ou si vous parlez le français. Peut-être, mais ce serait tendance FN.
6. @5
(03.09.10)
muslims do not target jews in paris and france??????? now let's see: 1. the statistics on antisemitism by muslims towards jews in both france and london has trippled in the past year alone. 2. two jews were attacked by muslim thugs from africa. remember HALIMI???? the jew that was kidnapped in paris, held captive, tortured and murdered by his wounds and the police found him on the rail tracks. the muslim murderers just had their trial, all 5 of them. 3. jewish day schools are constantly targeted by muslims thugs and youth where the police has to stand guard and walk the jewish children to and from school to the buses. 4. rabbis who often walk on the streets of paris have been beaten by muslim youth thugs, their cloths ripped and one or two beaten on the head. go look at the france statistics on muslim attacks on jews and rabbis in paris. you'll find all the evidence there in black on white. 5. jewish children are harrassed walking to school and often need police protection. muslims thugs are always involved. 6. hate speeches are heard from all mosques about the jews tghat are pigs and apes and often calls to murder them and slaughter them by imams in mosques. some of those imams in both france and london have been thrown out of the country for hate incitement and antisemitism. 6. synagogues are routinely bombed and desecrated by muslim thugs where fire bombs are thrown at windows. it happened recently in two synagogues. this information can also be found if you look at the antisemitic statistics available at the police stations. 7. the only people that need police protection. the only houses of prayer that need police protection. the only organizations that need police protection. the only schools that need police protection and constant guards are JEWISH SCHOOLS, JEWISH CHILDREN, JEWISH SYNAGOGUES AND JEDWISH ORGANIZATION OFFICES IN PARIS. go and look for yourself during a jewish holiday to see armed police presence at the synagogue gates, at the jewish day school gates, at the jewish school buses doors. THEN TELL ME THAT THERE IS NOT MUSLIM THUGS AROUND. no, these muslims have never assimilated in our city and society. they demand sharia law. they live in a "no go" zones where police are afraid to go in because of their violence. their mosques teach hate of western values and incite to hate by speeches from imams. they demonstrate on street corners saying ITBACH AL YAHOOD, kill al the jews or HITLER DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB. i have seen this with my own eyes. primitives? YES! PRIMITIVES. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE AND THIS IS HOW THEY BEHAVE. they are the ones always caught in a terrorist plot in our country and in england. the muslims are the only ones involved in terrorism in europe, even muslims that have been born in our country and in england. you close your eyes to this filth and the ideology they brought into our countries of europe and you know what they say muslims want: TODAY, THE SATURDAY PEOPLE. TOMORROW, THE SUNDAY PEOPLE. do you even know what this means to us????? ignorant. pierre toulouse, paris
7. The chilling intent.
Daniel ,   Gushdana, Chelm   (03.09.10)
In the context of what I know of the Zeitgeist about Israel and the Jews in France, there is only one plausible explanation for this apparently friendly move by Delanoe's municipality, and it is their intent to anticipate the commemoration of a soon-to-be historical event, the existence of the State of Israel. What is more fitting for this purpose, than honoring Israel's founder? The French like their Jews as victims, and the deader the better. They've never been comfortable around live, let alone proud and erect ones.
8. #6
Sultan ,   Jeddah   (03.09.10)
You just went on an antisemitic rant that doesnt make any sense. On my many trips to france i've seen algerians working along side ethnic french in shops, restaurants, and fashion and make up stores from printemps to lafayette and they were very much assimilated in france. My cousin was treated for a skin disorder in Bordeaux by two Lebanese Muslim doctors. However, you fail miserably to see all the positive around you but focus on the nasty thugs that make the news once a year. That does not make them representatives of all the millions of french muslims. By the way I've lived in all over the world and I saw how native European thugs and hooligans terrorize their towns on weekends, smashing alcohol bottles all over the streets and beating up anyone who tries to calms them down. I've seen it in Germany, England, Sweden and France, even Australia. The comparison you draw between France and England is completely unfounded by the way. England completely recognises and embraces diversity, unlike France. for example, If you go to a hospital there, you would find that 70% of the doctors are either hindu or Muslim, while ethnic Britons are focusing more on business and easier fields of study. You seem to think that all Arabs share a similar culture, but that could not be further from the truth. As an Arabian, it is impossible for me to understand a moroccan or an algerian because they speak a different form of arabic. We are certainly well-educated and they are not, but thats only due to their extreme poverty which you found very convenient to exploit and colonise, and now you want nothing to do with them. Unfortunately they are finishing what you started. But I invite you to come to Kuwait or Dubai and see how primitive france is, in comparison.
9. #8, Sultan
Dennis ,   NJ, USA   (03.11.10)
Sultan, well stated. except: as a Jew, I pretty much cannot come to Dubai, especially as I have an Israeli stamp in my US passport. The brilliant Inspector Clousseau Top Keystone Cop there announced that Jews with Israeli affiliations would no longer be welcome. as for Saudi Arabia, I believe it's still Judenrein. Please correct me if Im wrong.
10. @9
(03.11.10)
right on the mark. what you say is true. also to claim that dubai is more cultured than france is a big joke! dubai has no culture. if you want to say that culture is tall buildings built on sand dunes using foreign asian workers who are tortured and deprived everyday and worked to death there, then this is sultan's kind of culture. dubai's universities are a joke. they just asked the usa to partner with them and bring in usa professors to teach dubai students. they have no knowledge, no innovation, no scientific discoveries and no medicine to speak of. the world knows only that they have oil and this is what they contributed to the world civilization so far. CRUDE. that is all. the rest id garish and obcene wealth by the royal family where others starve on the periphery and is extremely repressed, especially the women. a barbaric country with a barbaric wahabi religious code where amputations, beheading and the such take place daily in public squares just like in iran. sultan, your country offers nothing except nice hotel rooms and also people that come over to make sure to teach you how to refine your oil. without american knowhow, you still wouldn't be able to build oil refineries. same situation in iran. no refineries because they do not know how to do it without outside help and knowhow by the foreign countries. you, sultan, have no science. your royal family goes to europe for surgeries and also to america for medical care. where are your hospitals? are french hospitals primitive by comparisson to yours in dubai. give me a break. then how come your princes come to england or france ot get medical services? and sultan, it is not a few muslim thugs as you say, it is the entire muslim community that is primitive and unruly. most are terrorist or terror sympathisers. pierre toulouse
11. #9 Dennis
Sultan ,   Jeddah   (03.11.10)
Dennis, no Saudi Arabia is most certainly not Judenrein, as Jews of all nationalities are allowed in. Check out this story on Haaretz- an American Jew and his Israeli wife were granted entry without any problems: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1078687.html Keep in mind that Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other Arabian Gulf countries are NOT at war with Israel- we simply do not openly have diplomatic relations. In fact we have never had a single war with Israel. Our position is completely different from that of Syria and Lebanon, who actually have been at several wars with Israel the last one being as recent as 2006, and thus they have stringent regulations regarding those with Israeli stamps etc. But I've met Australian and American Jews in Dubai living their "Arabian Dream" with no problems what so ever. Now regarding the recent development in Dubai, it may be more complicated and you may be questioned at length to ensure you are not affiliated with Israeli intelligence, but if you hold an American passport you would certainly be granted entry eventually.
12. Pierre
Sultan ,   Jeddah   (03.11.10)
You think over five million Moroccans and Algerians in France are terrorists? well show me official data or articles supporting your statement. But I know it's simply a false and xenophobic statement that doesnt make any sense. You think we have "no science" but we come to France for treatment, well skin problems are most prevalent in countries with fair skin, that's why France does have one more advanced skin disease center in which 35% of the professors and doctors are ARABS. Saudi Arabia on the other hand is very famous for having the top doctor in the world for conjoined twin separation, which is one of the most complex surgeries a doctor could ever come across and I dont have the time to explain how it works to you. here are a few of the numerous cases we continuously treat from all over the world: http://www.saudiembassy.net/latest_news/news07130802.aspx http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/01/saudi.conjoined.twins/index.html Good bye Pierre, I truly wish you a happy life and I hope you can work through all your immense hatred because they eventually lead to health problems.
13. @pierre
Ben Gurion ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.18.10)
you seem to dwell on hateful things more than anything else in life...your life must be truly pathetic. If i were an Arab and saw what you wrote, I would go looking for negative things about Jews and blindly hating everything jewish.
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