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1. this is an official fatwa or he's speaking ex-officio?
mike , |
israel (formerly usa |
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(03.08.10) |
just trying to keep score here.
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2. Conversion Bill
Shoshannah , |
Jerusalem, Israel |
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(03.08.10) |
For those of us who aren't sure what it says, would it be possible to publish the full text of the bill?
Or is there somewhere online I can go to find it?
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Dear oh dear a bunch or retards thinking they talk on behalf of some bearded man in the sky ?
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4. I'M WITH SHOSHANNAH: CAN WE FIND OUT WHAT THE BILL IS ALL..
SETTHERECORDSTRAIGHT |
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(03.08.10) |
ABOUT? OR ARE WE SUPPOSED TO JUST BE 'ENTERTAINED' BY THE REPORTING OF BACK AND FORTH BICKERING?
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5. to #3 ammm boss you do awar that in
other religions there were bloodied wars on even less important issues and this argument is nothing compare to the events in history go learn what the Brits did to Catholics it's eye opener. and who told you that god got beard. have you ever heard on shaving.
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6. Gafni should get lost...
Daniel Breslauer , |
Jerusalem |
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(03.08.10) |
Gafni should get lost, with his entire UTJ crew of extortionist, populist fascists.
I am a bit confused though - is this not the same proposal that proposed that converts should not be allowed to make aliyah?
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7. Father or Mother ????
Ariel , |
São Paulo - Brazil |
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(03.08.10) |
1. According to the Scriptures children are attributed to their fathers, not their mothers. Halacha came along and changed the Scriptural law, ruling that affiliation is based on the mother. See the answer to In the Scriptures, the children are related to the father.
2. According to the Scriptures a person who is not a Jew yet affiliates himself with the Jewish people has "entered the community" with no let or hindrance. Halacha came along and created new rules for those who wish to join Judaism. See our answer to Is being a Jew based on the mother or on the father?.
3. According to the Scriptures transgressors are to be punished with 40 lashes. Halacha came along and ruled only 39. See our answer to The Sages distort the plain meaning of the Scriptures.
4. According to the Scriptures one should not sow nor reap on the Sabbath day. Halacha interpreted this to mean the Sabbatical year. See our answer to The Oral Torah was not given at Sinai.
5. The Scriptures permit the eating of pure animals without ritual slaughter. Halacha came along and gave the rules of ritual slaughter. See the Daily Pilpul How do we know the throat must be cut in ritual slaughter?
6. And many, many other examples can be found on the site. The sages explicitly ruled "The majority is sages' interpretation and the minority Scriptures" (Gittin 60b). See our words on the portion of Shoftim and on the portion of Vaetchanan.
We have already written about this many times, and there is no study without new material, so we will bring another law which overturns the Scriptures. In the Scriptures it is written "When you come into your neighbor's vineyard, you may eat your fill of grapes at your pleasure, but you shall not put any in your container. When you come into your neighbor's standing grain, you may pluck the heads with your hand, but you shall not use a sickle on your neighbor's standing grain" (Deuteronomy 23:25-26). The implication of "When you come" is that anyone, even a passerby, may enter a vineyard and eat grapes as long as he doesn't take a larger amount than he can eat in the vineyard. That is why the Torah warned against gathering the grapes in a container. This is testified to by the historian Josephus in the first century CE, who writes of the Torah laws as they were interpreted and practiced in his day: "Nor are you to prohibit those that pass by at the time when your fruits are ripe to touch them, but to give them leave to fill themselves full of what you have; and this whether they be of your own country or strangers, as being glad of the opportunity of giving them some part of your fruits when they are ripe; but let it not be esteemed lawful for them to carry any away…" (Antiquities of the Jews book 4, chapter 8:21). The sages overturned the plain meaning of the Scriptures and ruled that the Torah meant workers in the vineyard, not passersby (Bava Metzia 92a) as though it were difficult for the author of the Scriptures to write "When you come as a laborer into your neighbor's vineyard, you may eat your fill of grapes…"
It is interesting that the Babylonian sages considered an interpretation of the plain sense of the Torah, that passersby may eat fruit in the vineyards and fields, and rejected this interpretation for fear that people would eat too much and cause the bankruptcy of vineyard and field owners. "I found a secret scroll of the School of Rabbi Hiyya wherein it was written 'Issi the son of Judah said: When you come into your neighbor's vineyard -- the Scriptures refer to the coming in of any man'. Whereon Rab commented: Issi makes life impossible for any one" (Bava Metzia 92a).
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8. Father or Mother II ?????
Ariel , |
São Paulo - Brazil |
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(03.08.10) |
According to the Scriptures, family relations follow the father.
This is the reason that Abraham's mother is not mentioned in the Scriptures, just as many women are not mentioned in the Scriptures.
But in later generations a change took place -- as many changes took place -- and family relationships were defined as following the mother. So as not to seem to be violating what is written in the Torah, they gave a questionable exegesis: "You shall not intermarry with them: do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, for they will turn your sons away from Me to worship other gods, and the Lord's anger will blaze forth against you and He will promptly wipe you out (Deuteronomy 7:3-4).The Sages discussed why it specifically says "turn your sons" and not your daughters. They said that this means that when the son marries a foreigner, there is a "turning away," a disconnection from Jewish family relationships: "R' Yochanan, quoting R' Shimon the son of Yochai, quoted the Scriptures: your son from a Jewish woman is called your son, but your son from an idolater is not called your son, it is called hers" (Kiddushin 68b).
A discussion of this topic is found in the midrash: Yaakov, a man of the village Navorai taught is Tzur: One is permitted to circumcise the son of an idolatrous woman on the Sabbath if the father is a Jew. 'who were registered by the clans of their paternal houses' (Numbers 1:18) -- a paternal house is called a family, a maternal house is not called a family. Rabbi Chaggai told him 'You have not taught well…as is written (Ezra 10:3) 'Now, then let us make a covenant with our G-d to expel all these women and those who have been born to them.' R' Yaakov answered him that one does not bring proof from Ezra, only from the Pentateuch. Rabbi Chaggai answered that this is from the Torah [via Rabbi Shimon the son of Yochai's questionable interpretation], 'for they will turn your sons away from Me… your son from a Jewish woman is called your son, but your son from an idolater is not called your son, it is called hers" (Bereshit Rabbah [Vilna] parasha 7).
P.S. Why do you find it important to know who the mother of Abraham was? The author of the Torah didn't think it was an important detail to note.
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