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Oslo Jewish community leader slams Israel
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 14.03.10, 09:02
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1. Ms Sander - being a court Jew will only
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (03.14.10)
save you for a spit second longer. You are not a Jewish leader - you are a Jewish loser.
2. "harsh statement"
(03.14.10)
Norwegian "comedian" Jespersen apologized to the lice that were murdered when Jews were gassed. That is more than just a "harsh statement".
3. Sander's remarks
Avner ,   Omer   (03.14.10)
Nothing wrong with her. She is totally right about Libermann and the ultra -orthodox
4. Ms Sander
Jake B ,   Melbourne Australia   (03.14.10)
may be she had a brain freeze? to accuse Chabad of being political must have been the most naive thing i have ever heard!!
5. She wants to be loved by the Quisling Norwegians
Elly ,   Vienna, Austria   (03.14.10)
She wants to be loved by the Norwegian Quislings so she bashes her own people.
6. Outrageus statments of Oslo Leader
Jack ,   Los Angeles   (03.14.10)
This so called Jewish leader has placed the Chabad Rabbi in danger by falsely stating he is against democracy and wants Israel to conquer Iran & Egypt. This could inflame local Muslims. There was a terror attack in Mumbai, do we need one in Oslo ?
7. Our Jewish enemies are the worst.
Vardina   (03.14.10)
8. Lubavitch is perceived as outsiders
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (03.14.10)
Lubavitch works outside the established Jewish community and typically does not cooperate with existing Jewish organizations, but prefers to do its own thing. Rather than strengthen the established Jewish community from within, it sets up competing institutions which often undermine and weaken the fragile ones already functioning in the community. Very often they are correctly viewed as a threat.
9. I agree with What Sander
Shalom ,   Israel   (03.14.10)
I agree with everything Sander said. I live in Israel..And see a very dark side to the ultra-othodox. How many times do I have to see the othodox on TV being violent because they don't agree with a parking lot being open on a Saturday.Or violent against a company such as Intel,because they employ people on Saturday. Nevermind these big companies bring money into Israel,which makes it possible for the othodox to live off welfare.If these companies leave how the hell are they going to keep expecting the state to hand out welfare?This country cannot continue on that path. The othodox woman have a very limited education,told that their only duty in life is to marry and have as many children as possible.While her husband doesn't work,he studies the Torah everyday,and expects welfare from the government.I wonder why they live in such poverty? And worst of all is the Shas Party!! Disgusting hate filled people. During the Gaza operation,the Rabbi leader of Shas went on TV and said that he "hoped the war would carry on until every Palestinian was killed" DISGUSTING.I cannot stand people who hide behind religion to futher their racist aganda.This makes them no better than Hamas. And this same called 'Holy' man from Shas went on TV another time saying people who believe in Civil Marriage "Pray to Satan" Come on really what year are we living in? Then another time Shas said israel should get rid of all emigrants should be kicked out as "they bring disease".....How narrow minded can you be? Then a few months back there was an article in Jerusalem Post about a group of Rabbi's was calling on all Jews to not sell any property or business to a Palestinian/Arab..Because this land belongs to Jews and that every arab should be kicked out of Israel. Then they said how they found out about a Jewish man that had sold his shop to an Arab in Haifa,and they called on everyone to boycott the shop,which they did...so gross! And they continued to say that any Israeli that sells a property to an arab is a traitor,and will be boycotted too.....I'm sorry this is just gross behaviour! They even distorted a lovely passage in the Bible~ 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.',unless they are arab...I SERIOUSLY doubt any all loving God would say such a nasty thing?? I find these beliefs VERY EXTREAM..and people who believe this are no better than Hamas. That is just disgusting,narrow minded and racsist. I love Israel,but I think the right wing government is ridiculous. Lets not forget Livni won the Past Elections..So majority of people in Israel don't believe in the right wing's agenda.. These settlements are a joke.enough already!!!You are playing straight into the hands of all the anti-Israeli sentiment around the world with the continuation of these settlements. Nevermind Israeli's governments continued arrogance at any criticism they receive.Not doing Israel any good. This government is a joke,Shas is a huge joke,and the super right wingers and othodox are the biggest joke...you are ruining a lovely country with your close minded views. Most people want a two state solution,and believe Palestinians have every right to live with the same amount of dignity as the israeli's do. I mean come on!! Do we really still believe in a God that wants the human race to be divided and filled with hatred towards another person because they don't speak like us and don't read the same 'holy' book. REALLY??? He created all man...I don't think he had it written in small print somewhere that he created all man to go to war with each other...really?? if that was TRUE do we really want to pray to a racist,hate filled God. please can we step into the current Century and use the brains God blessed us with...Enough!! Can we stop with all the ignorance and see each other for the brothers and sisters we are. The division and racism needs to end.Hiding behind religion to propograte futher hatred is extream!!
10. What a maron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AF ,   USA   (03.14.10)
Where does one begin with this idiot. Comparing suicide bombings to settlers? Lebovichs political? The biggest problem are assholes like her. She is ignorant, naive and brain dead.
11. Ms. Sander
YG ,   Israel   (03.14.10)
I don't know if she has children, but if she has, and they inherit her opinions, I doubt that they will marry Jews. I also don't understand why any Jew would live in Norway. Things were never great there as far as Jews are concerned and now there are 70 times more Moslems than Jews. Read the writing on the wall!!!
12. Anne Sander
Lazerbenabba ,   London, England   (03.14.10)
Regarding the Sandler comments about the religious Jews of Israel, I have to acknowledge that I also believe that they exert a disproportionate influence on the Government of Israel, however I disagree vehemently with her contention on the settlements. Jewish ethnicity is separate from any religious connotation and the defence of the overall Jewish population of all shades must be paramount. To this end, the Arabs have abrogated any right or moral justification for stopping settlement expansion. They ignored the UN in '48, were defeated in several wars of there own making and when force did not succeed they attempt to use moral blackmail. Sandler is an apologist rather like Kaufman in England without any backbone, ignore them and hopefully they will go away.
13. Is she related to shimon peres? Or zippy?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (03.14.10)
Outside of chabad she is totally wrong. Why help your enemies? There is enough anti semitism in norway and this POS adds to it.
14. yet another self hating jew. what a shame she is a 'leader'
romanian jew   (03.14.10)
more leaders like that for the jews and we are doomed.
15. FM Liberman is no longer relevant
Avi ,   Israel   (03.14.10)
What ever FM liberman has to say is not relevant as no one in the International community takes this rascist seriously.
16. is she jewish?
dudu ,   norway   (03.14.10)
that is the true question. having lived in norway for many years and watching rabbi melchior and his conversion process, the question must be asked: was ms sander's conversion kosher & is it okayed by other rabbinical authorities? by reading her comments concerning our Holy Land, religion & other Jews, it seems like she is not Jewish at all
17. hm, Jewish leader
daniel ,   Norway   (03.14.10)
I'm from Norway but this women does not represent me. I do not know who where those morans that votet for her. I'm not affride to support Israel at open street. I'm nor religios, met Melchior at once 25 yeqr ago and did not like his behavior, but I can not say the same about Chabad Rabbi Shaul Wilhelmabad, I met him 3 times and he is very sympatic person. I know that the Norwegian jewish community was not very happy to have Rabbi Shauls children at community childerngarten. So if anyone should meet mrs. Sander please ask her to shut up!
18. To Ms Sander from a Jew in Norway
En Jøde fra Norge ,   Norway   (03.14.10)
Ms Sander, I call upon you to publicaly reverse some of your comments or consider resigning from your jewish leadership role. This is for what I believe have been some irresponsibe and possibly self-serving comments by you, in your recent interview for that Norwegian Newspaper. I am a Jew from an Israeli background, currently living in Norway. This is the first country out of a number of others, in which I have lived, where I feel I have been forced into cultural and religious silence and fear. Living here, made me realise enough, to conclude that Norway's past treatment of Jews and the more recent treatment of Israel, continues to be a disgrace. Anti-semitism, racism, anti-Israeli sentiments are a growing problem and must be stopped. While there are still some people in Norway who respect the Jewish people and Israel, their number is unjustifiably reducing. Norway seems to be reversing to those dark times when its constitution prohibited the entry of Jews and when its leaders cooperated with the Nazis. Shooting at the Oslo synagogue, planning to hurt the Israeli Ambassador, publishing anti-semitic material, making jokes about the holocaust and calling for boycottes against Israel, have become more recent concerns. Yet, in the midst of all that disgrace, comes a long Jew like you, and makes some comments that could give those who hate us even more reasons to do so. Furtermore, your unjustified attack on a movement like Chabad, that continues to help Jews all around the world, only illustrates how insecure your Jewish ledership must have been and how threatened you possibly feel by their presence in norway, which must have brought real Jewish joy, values and courage into the lives of some members of your community. Your comments about Minister Liberman were also unjustified. I believe that he is actually being very well informed about anti-semitism and anti-israeli sentiments andactions in Norway and I congratulate him for his courage to voice his concerns about those from miles away. I feel I suffer from those sentiments and actions to a point that I now want to leave Norway, as many young Jews already did. No Ms Sander, Chabad, Minister Liberman and Israel are not the dangerous elements here, your comments are!
19. This witch should get on her broomstick...
shadoil ,   Jerusalem   (03.14.10)
and take a fly!!!
20. THE Truth
Robert Blum ,   New Albany, USA   (03.14.10)
Sanders is NOT qualified to be called a Jewish 'Leader'. She is another apologist for misguided and very ignorant, self-righteous leftists and is just another Jewish victim of assimilation and its alienating, numbing comforts, caught in the deaththroes induced by her watered down knowledge of that Judaism. It is clear that she sees women in an inferior role in Chabad's orthodoxy = correct practice of Judaism, because she grasps no understanding that it is NOT an inferior role which women have, but rather it is a different role! Women are not required to wear Teffilin (phylacteries nor be part of a Quorum (Minyin), because they were not among the worshipers of the original 'Golden Calf'..(I'm not sure about their role in worship of the golden calfs which came after the death of King Solomon). They are considered therefore, to be inherently more spiritual than men are, and so their requirements, obligations of Mitzvot (meritorious deeds) are different than those of men. Women light Shabbos candles for example; men do not! With regard to housing in Jerusalem, the Jews owned the property rights there before 1948. Jordon took the land away. Israel later reclaimed it and allowed the Muslim squatters to pay rent to the Jews. The Muslims stopped paying rents and now call themselves victims. The liberals and leftists support them without knowing the real history. The REAL history has been revised by the Muslims who re-invented themselves as so called 'Palestinians', which actually they are not! There is no such people! The revisionists of history have merely said it for so long, that it became a truth among the ignorant of the world, including among the children of those Muslims, who use the false label 'Palestinians' to move their cause 'Islamization' of de-legitimization of Israel.
21. Rabbi Shaul Wilhelm
ishak ,   oslo, norway   (03.14.10)
as a jew living in oslo for the past 18 years, I can testify on the greatness of Rabbi Shaul Wilhelm and his family. I have spent SHABBAT In their house twice, and the Rabbi is a extremely nice person which helps everyone in the community. The community as a whole love and appreciate him, it's just some "leaders" (like the one we were just introduced to..) that wrongly feel threatened. I wish the Rabbi and his wife a lot of luck. The community really needs them.
22. She comes from OSLO...'nuff said!
EST ,   Miami USA   (03.14.10)
The woman is deranged when she says she's a Jew....how can she talk about Chabad in that light? I am not orthodox ... pretty much secular but even I know of the awesome good work of Chabadniks on behalf of all Jews AND non-Jews...they have been there for communities around the world stricken by catastrophes - natural or man-made through terror. Who is she to make derogartory remarks about Chabad women????If she wants to deny her natural instincts then by all means she can do so...but education, taking care of the children, home and family and instilling values in the next generation are done by caring humans - male and female.
23. I know the chabad
david elchanan ,   south africa   (03.14.10)
I attended services with chabad in oslo it's a beautiful community the rabbi is great so I don't know what this is all about? I'm happy the rabbi is standing up for the jews there
24. SHE sounds like the EXTREMIST: EXTREME IDIOT
SETTHERECORDSTRAIGHT   (03.14.10)
THIS is what is representing the Jewish community? Even in Oslo, it's a schonda. What kind of self-hating fool would say such dishonest, hurtful things about their (supposedly) own people?
25. She is spot on about chabad!
al Farabi ,   johannesburg, South   (03.14.10)
26. How dare they speak of Chabad this way.
Julie Sharabi   (03.14.10)
I have the utmost respect for Chabad and all that they do - and all Jews should appreciate them. They are 100% committed to helping Jews around the world and they do not engage in political activities. It appears that Sander is the one who suffers from 'bad advisors'.
27. Thank you, #20. Robert: WELL SAID.
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28. No!
Bentzi ,   Bergstien, Norway   (03.14.10)
Anne was not born Jewish. She converted in a court of law that is unrecognized by the State of Israel. Meaning: her status is questionable at best. Anyone still wonder about her 'favourable' views regarding Israel?!
29. Ann Sanders remarks
Louis ,   Toronto, Canada   (03.14.10)
I can't comment about Chabad because I'm not an Orthodox Jew. However, i think that Sanders is spot on about the sharp divide that now exists between the Jewish Right and the Jewish Left in Israel and the Diaspora. The Talkbacks on this post make that clear enough. The strong language used by some to demonize Saunders do not address the content of what she is saying. The world Jewish community is very polarized. If you are a Jew and criticize Israel, then the Jewish Right condemns you as a self-hating Jew. I think it's clear to any knowledgeable, thinking person that extremist elements within Jewish Orthodoxy are as destructive and dangerous as extremist elements in Sunni and Shia Islam. These folks all believe in a final day of reckoning, the coming of a Messiah to destroy their enemies and the establishing of a theocratic state. They want a fight, a big fight, and they are dangerous to everyone on the planet. Saunders is very brave to take on the Jewish Right and confront them with their BS.
30. Big diffference, Louis #29, between 'extemist' Jews.....
SETTHERECORDSTRAIGHT   (03.14.10)
and 'extremist elements in Sunni and Shia Islam': WE ARE NOT MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PROVE OUR POINT. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO ANNIHILATE THE OTHER SIDE. Yes there are differences between the Left and the Right. Major differences. Nonetheless, you cannot compare apples to Cadillacs. It's absurd.
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