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'Pitchfork remained on ground during purported attack'
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 22.03.10, 13:40
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1. What was in the syringe?
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.22.10)
The syringe doesn't fit in. Not something used in agriculture usually and what were the contents of the syringe.
2. Why a big who-ha? Their aim was to hurt/kill a soldier
World   (03.22.10)
if not, they'd have been going about their business and not provoking and throwing stones. They want to kick up a stink everyday but then they scream when someone gets shot - do they expect Israeli soldiers to stand still while they throw stones and othe objects?
3. :: Nobody believes the IDF any more
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (03.22.10)
How can anyone take the IDF seriously anymore?! The IDF lied about not using live rounds at the protest in which 2 Palestinians were gunned down and now we see the IDF also lied about the alleged attack by these two Palestinian farmers. Can anyone tell me how many ‘legitimate kills’ the IDF achieved out of the 290+ Palestinian children that it killed in 2009?
4. To #2
Jacob ,   Ashkelon   (03.22.10)
You seem to be getting two events mixed up. The two Palestinians killed in this ‘pitchfork incident’ were not throwing stones.It would appear that the following happened... Two Palestinians were detained by the IDF, the company commander of the Nachshon Battalion mistook the muttering of one of the Palestinians as a mortal threat and shot the Palestinian two or three times. I would imagine that the other Palestinian was killed as the company commander did not want any witnesses. Either way it would appear that theses two Palestinians did not pose a serious mortal danger to the lives of the IDF soldiers. Sadly the killing of these Palestinians will only incite further hatred and violence against us.
5. You would never find such questions in the PA
JO   (03.22.10)
Thankfully we have freedom of the press in Israel and do investigate. I remember the sharade when two Palestinians killed in cold blood two off duty soldiers hiking, they were caught and what ?? Rejoiced at?, imprisoned for how long then released? And what about the killers of those two reservists who took the wrong turn- brutally recorded, they killed with glee. Where are the murderers today? And this is not in a riot situation where things get out of hand and tragic accidents can happen but cold blooded murder with rejoicing. I dont see the PA investigating nor punishing those. Violent riots in this village are so well known, and stones are equally lethal. Not that anyone will accept the IDF investigation as truth, they wil not.
6. #1
jj   (03.22.10)
nice one Sherlock. You have obviously never heard of livestock farming if you think a syringe isnt used in agriculture .
7. ***3
yaniv ,   isreal   (03.22.10)
Yes 290+ legitimate kills
8. Maybe there was more than one pitchfork?
Talula ,   Israel   (03.22.10)
Maybe in some ploy to make money, a company actually produced more than one pitchfork?!?!?! Our soldiers shouldn't be given such a hard time when their lives are in danger.
9. Unfortunately not the first time will not be the last
Salma ,   Palestine   (03.22.10)
Briefly this is the occupation, the soldiers will not be punished, of course as long as the dead were Palestinians, not Jews.:(
10. JAG
Ricardo Macher ,   Karnei Shomron IL   (03.22.10)
Clever military lawyers are ruining Tzahal! They should be sent to the front and then they will change their unrealistic views!
11. result, none will get blames
ghostq   (03.22.10)
since pichfork can kill and use as weapons so, wast of time, and from the pic they let their kids literaly play with fire, kinda pathetic considering it's men job not children, than they whine with the women and children story, that nobody buy anymore.
12. Self defense
Agent 007.5 ,   USA   (03.22.10)
I would have shot them too.
13. Palestinians murdered
Rae ,   Be'er Sheva   (03.22.10)
The truth shall set you free.
14. #2 World
cassie ,   London   (03.22.10)
Where in this article does it state that they were ''provoking and throwing stones''? Yes, there SHOULD be a big hu-ha - they are both now dead after being spotted in an area that ''necessitates co-ordination ahead of time''. Why werent they just arrested and questioned?
15. Killing "children"
Robert Haymond ,   Ashdod, Israel   (03.22.10)
I don't know where #3 gets his statistics. At any rate, the term"children" applies to anyone under the age of eighteen. Hardly all "children" who pick up knives, guns and grenades in order to attack Israeli citizens and soldiers. But that's the nature of Palestinian propaganda as is witnessed on Talkbacks and once again from #3.
16. Again: It looks like a ordinary execution
Albrecht ,   P.O.   (03.22.10)
4 (four!) soldiers armed to the teeth not able to owerwhelm 2 (two) youths without killing them? It looks again like a ordinary execution.
17. to #14 can you arrest a mobe
ghostq   (03.22.10)
which 2 of them approch you with forkpich, you live in ideal world hun, even in the Muslim Riots in Paris, so you see in mob situation which in London it's only a matter of time until the Muslims will start to anull stuff that "HURT" their feelings and when they won't be answered they will start rioting. and when they will riot someone will get hurt cause that what happened when they start with violance.
18. #17
cassie ,   London   (03.22.10)
2 people do not make a mob, and the rest of your wittering has nothing to do with the article.
19. the solution to this problem
Barney ,   USA   (03.22.10)
is for all arabs and muslims to move to muslim countries where they can enjoy the islamic lifestyle. let countries who have unhappy, offended, muslims repatriate them to their homelands. everybody will be happy then. if some muslims don't want to leave then let them adapt the lifestyle, value, and cultures of their host countries. they are not going to take over the world and make it one big islamic rule no matter what they are preached in the mosques.
20. :: Robert - #15 - Prove otherwise...
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (03.22.10)
From several reliable websites. Not once have I cited a fact that I did not first verify as true. It comes as no surprise that you do not know how many Palestinian children have been killed since 2000 but such facts are not ‘Palestinian propaganda’ as you lamely claim. Just because you are ignorant on the stats of Palestinian children who have died at the hands of the IDF don’t try and dismiss these facts ‘Palestinian propaganda’. The following is a list of the 15 Palestinian children killed by the IDF on the 1 Jan 2009 (the very first day of 2009) with their ages: Asad - 2 Aisha - 2 Al-Muez - 3 Usama - 3 Reem - 4 Halima - 5 Maryam - 5 Abdul-Rahman - 6 Abdul-Qader - 12 Ayah - 12 Zainab - 15 Ayoun - 16 Muhammad - 16 Ghassan - 16 Muhammad - 17 As you can see the majority were under 6 years old. The information above is a simple ‘fact’ and not ‘Palestinian propaganda’ as you claim. I challenge you to prove otherwise but I know from previous experience that you disappear and remain silent when faced with facts that you cannot disprove and/or upset your rose-tinted view of the IDF.
21. #4: too bad, so sad...
tom ,   toronto, canada   (03.22.10)
you write: "Sadly the killing of these Palestinians will only incite further hatred and violence against us." as if NOT defending yourself will make everything right? it would seem that the arab palestinians are already full of hatred and lies, no matter what you do or say - the disengagement from gaza proved that quite clearly. just because the qassams aren't a daily occurrence in ashkelon doesn't mean that you are safe, because their clearly stated goal is to kill you and take your property. it is pathetic to try to blame the victims in a genocidal war.
22. If a cop stops you in LA, you would be wise not to make any
Leon ,   Los Angeles, USA   (03.22.10)
sudden moves, as they are afraid and therefore have itchy trigger fingers. This situation is very similar. I am sure that the soldiers have overreacted but those kids should have been acting in a less threatening manner.
23. land of great opportunities & changes
observer   (03.22.10)
life threatening situation turned over to be muttering something that sounded like a prayer, the pitchfork turned over to be piece of broken glass, broken glass turned over to be a syringe, results of usual victim incriminating preliminary investigation turned out to be they weren't terrorists
24. Pitchfork and syringe. What type of livestock
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.22.10)
They were not dealing with raising swine like you most likely jj, but perhaps they needed the pitchfork and syringe for their goldfish pond.
25. More murders by the IDF
Fares ,   Jordan   (03.22.10)
Of course the soldiers will lie and give a false story to justify the murders. Lucky for them, the only 2 witnesses are dead so they can say whatever they want. It is time for Israel to leave the territories and end the occupation and get these IDF murderers out of the West Bank.
26. #15 Robert
Malone ,   Hfx   (03.22.10)
Obviously,you are informed enough that you will not be lured into confrontation with the like of Matty Groves,aka bbs news...sometimes I wonder why I bother even reading the garbage fromthese people... Regards
27. matty groves
op ,   nyc   (03.23.10)
it's nice to know you also read entire articles on muslimbrotherhood.com (how else do u get these ridiculous stats?) i wonder tho if you also post such harsh criticism on the arab sites or are u scared? do u use an alias there? u know iran has the technology to track the cable modem an email or post was sent from....
28. # 3
Birdi ,   Israel   (03.23.10)
Go visit your beloved Arab websites to find the answer to your question. You are surely more welcome there than you are here.
29. # 14
Birdi ,   Israel   (03.23.10)
Pray tell us how do you arrest rock & stone throwers ? As far a I know its against the law here to throw rocks & stones.
30. #20 Price Palestinians pay for terror
Cynthia ,   USA   (03.23.10)
In January, 2009 the War in Gaza was in progress. The Palestinians worked overtime for years to provoke this attack. Not once did Palestinian parents publicly protest these terror attacks. They allowed weapons to be smuggled in tunnels under their homes and rockets to be fired from their communities. As the rocket fire increased and Israel issued clear warnings, they could anticipate an attack. These parents, residents and leaders of Gaza placed these children in the line of fire. Now, Matty uses them for his propaganda campaign against Israel.
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