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The American vision
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 23.03.10, 00:01
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1. Obama administration vision is NOT the American vision.
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.23.10)
Despite Obama's (atleast short term) success in passing Obamacare, most Americans still oppose it. Most Americans also oppose the Obama administration's hostility towards Israel. The Obama administration's vision is NOT the American vision. America, as a whole, is far friendlier towards Israel than the Obama administration.
2. What A Joke !
BS ,   USA   (03.23.10)
Even if I accepted the solution, I would still need to get over the fact that I don't believe a word out of this administrations mouth,......
3. LOL!!!
Miki ,   Miki London   (03.23.10)
Good faith negotiations!!! Right... Rock on Hamas, rock on the PA. And don't forget the man in the moon. He can arbitrate!
4. Peace? We haven't reached the rivers of Babylon yet?
Jongo ,   Australia   (03.23.10)
I don't know you guys.. don't you think you've stolen enough Palestinian land already?
5. Well good luck with that Shrillary!
!sraeli   (03.23.10)
First she should ask herself why she has to make a condescending speech at AIPAC? Instead of putting all the pressure on USA’s “best buddy”, why doesn’t she make loud public demands from the Filastin-ees? Why all the public bashing of Israel? She should publicly and loudly in her shrill voice tell the Filastin-ees to stop the incitement and terror. When both sides are pressured equally, maybe change will happen. We are sick of being on the receiving end, while the Filastin-ees sit twiddling their thumbs and eating kna-feh.
6. Time for Isreal be The Israel of Maturity in God.
donan jn baptiste ,   St.Lucia   (03.23.10)
It is time for israel to act like a grown adult and stop looking to the world, America and other nations for solution but look to the Torah prohecies, the soon coming holy prophets and God for answers because the world hates God, likewise his people the Believing Jews.
7. To Hillary: 5.5m Deaths On Your Head
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (03.23.10)
From Oslo 1, to the Roadmap, everyone knows the parameters of the final resolution to this conflict (not the fina solution). "Still not enough" has not changed from the Arabs. Hillary aka Obama, is kidding herself. Hamas/Hez/Iran..and others will never accept Israel's existence. They want it Judenrein. Today the modified 67 borders, tomorrow all of Jerusalem, then Haifa, Tel Aviv and the Galilee. Should Israel behave like a battered child, would it's enemies then agree to Obama's imposed solution? If Israel balks, then what? Can the US give it an ass-whuppin? ( stop all shipments of arms, a boycott of Israeli goods, put taxes on Jewish charitable organizations, etc?), And what about Ahmad..where is Iran in all this? Have threats of sanctions moved Iran? In the end, Israel will have to make a decision..either like in a circus, jump when told, or depend on the US population for support. I am pessimistc.
8. LandForPeace demands PARALLEL security/recognition talks!
Dr. L. Brnd ,   San Diego, USA   (03.23.10)
Asking Israel to first award the PA a state with specified land with nothing in return from Abbas is a blueprint for failure and is just a transparent Clinton-Obama scheme to destabilize the Israeli coalition. Israel should rigidly demand that no actual territorial concessions will be signed off on by Israeli negotiators without explicit unambiguous recognition of Israel as a Jewish State by Abbas (which he said today he would never do), and unambiguous total demilitarization of the PA state, including Gaza, as a precondition for any actual turn-over of any land to the PA, with a permanent ban on PA alliances or non-Israeli troops of any kind, UN included, in the PA state. Reason: Without this rigidly guaranteed in a CREDIBLE way, as well as accompanying details of massive long-term US secutiry guarantees (hundreds, not tems, of billions) Israel must be far less generous with "land" - if the "peace and security" is less than total and absolute. UNSC 242 requires neither total withdrawal nor "land swaps" of pre-'67 Israeli territory, and in fact, specifically rules it out - another Hilary attempt to give Abbas something for nothing. Current failure of Obama to publically require Abbas to agree that his PA and entire Moslem world recognizing Jewish Israel is part of "2-state" deal really dooms any chance of peace - and Israel knows it. Critical to demand Obama fix this.
9. nice song - wrong theater
Galut ,   Selah   (03.23.10)
10. Clinton
Abba ,   Phoenix, USA   (03.23.10)
It is so difficult to avoid vomiting. The current American administration really believes that selling out Israel will deliver Islam to the West???? Fools. And the AIPAC support and praise of this administration???? OMG.
11. Obama supporter is new AIPAC president
Sue ,   Los Angeles   (03.23.10)
Obama has infiltrated AIPAC. Its new president is Lee Rosenberg, who campaigned for Obama and donated money to him. Rosenberg, from Chicago, is a friend of Rahm Emanuel and other high ranking Jews in the Obama Administration. No doubt, the "vision" that Rosenberg supports is the Geneva Initiative, that received sponsorship in Congress by Rahm Emanuel - a Shalom Achshav/Peace Now plan that includes dividing Jerusalem and placing holy sites under United Nations governance. That is what Hillary hinted at when she said today, "an outcome that realizes the aspirations of both parties for Jerusalem, and safeguards its status for people around the world.” How enthusiastically AIPAC receives Bibi's speech will be an indicator of how much support Israel should now expect from the organization - now that there is a conflict of interest in AIPAC's leadership.
12. The Woman With Two Faces
Danny M ,   Vancouver, Canada   (03.23.10)
Hillary Clinton is fooling no one. When addressing Jews and Israelis directly, she proclaims her support for Israel. When she's just talking to the press, she does an about-face and condemns Israel the next worst thing to the Third Reich. Hey Hillary, in case you haven't studied history, Israel was founded by Holocaust survivors and it was the Third Reich that was behind the Holocaust! We're not giving up our homeland. Talk out of both sides of your mouth all you want, but there are consequences. Keep stabbing Jews and Israel in the back and you'll be out of a job a lot sooner than 2012!
13. Palestine will be Free, it's a matter of time anyway
Palestinian   (03.23.10)
14. Gasa
Orwell ,   Farmville   (03.23.10)
Baraq Bamwuh had his pet viper give you his orders. Now you must be good little children and obey. Start by opening borders with Gasa and ignore hamas killing a few 10 each day. After all it is not as though the world will allow them to murder 6 million of you is it? After they kidnap more soldiers just ignore it you have a lot more. I could go on with this but you get the idea. The part about international control of Holy sites sounds like Daniels vision is close. May GOD bless and keep you all.
15. The American vision is...
Danny M ,   Vancouver, Canada   (03.23.10)
...merely to find a way to ease out of the diplomatic relationship the US has with Israel. Cheap oil trumps all else, apparently. Oh well, the US got itself into this predicament by not moving away from fossil fuels a long time ago, when they had plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately, Israel leads the world in alternative energy research. They shouldn't have anything to worry about, at least not as much as the back-stabbing US.
16. Hillary no longer the trustworthy politician
beer sheva ,   israel   (03.23.10)
Hillary is not a friend of Israel, she is a puppet to the Obama administration. She lost her integrity and credibility as politician when she joined the obama administration. Obama, the so called president, who sat in church for over twenty years hearing anti-semetic remarks about Israel.Remember Hillary, any country who is not a friend of Israel, as seen throughout history, will reap loses!
17. Good politician, bad logician
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (03.23.10)
Let's pretend there is a demographic problem and accept Clinton's logical solution: an Arab state and a Jewish state. The 1948 and 1967 borders should be redrawn to make sure that there is a separation: Arab villages like Um El Fahem, Taybe and Kafr Kassem should join the Arab state, while Jewish areas like Kedumim, Road 443, Bet Aryeh and Ramat Shlomo should be part of the Jewish state. Or even better, have a population exchange like between Greece and Turkey: the Arabs move East of the Jordan river and the Jews move west, giving both a viable state. But Clinton does not support these borders. Instead she pushes for creation of a not viable but ethnically pure Arab state and a not-viable mixed ethnicity state along the 1948 cease-fire lines.
18. Pax
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim,   (03.23.10)
B"H G-d's peace plan is different. It gives the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel. If we accept G-d's plan as Good, anything that goes against it is Evil
19. AIPAC -NOT represent Majority US
Christy ,   Boston, US   (03.23.10)
Clinton can 'speechify' all she wants. The US Congress (House&Senate) knows AIPAC does NOT represent, by itself, the views of the voting majority in the US. So, if they were swayed by Clinton's speech AIPAC doesn't have the votes needed to persuade Congress to go along with Clinton all by itself. AIPAC needs to convince other US Citizens who are not connected with AIPAC. The majority of voting US Citizens backs Israel and views Jerusalem as non-negotiable. Jerusalem is Israel's Capitol and should not be divided. If this is AIPAC's view, great. The majority of US Citizens do not want to see Israel do anything that would lessen the security of Israel and her citizens. We stand by Israel to do what is in the best interest of Israel. If Clinton urges otherwise - ignore her. If AIPAC buys into what she's sealing - ignore it.
20. Final borders status
Serge ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (03.23.10)
Final borders status as a first core issue is a recipe for failure. If Israelis have to give away their bargaining chips at a first stage, why would Palestinians agree to subjects of Israeli interest. In politics there is an agreement on nothing if there is no agreement on everything.
21. To #13
Naftush ,   Israel   (03.23.10)
Two Israeli prime ministers offered this very solution this to your Palestinian Authority and were rebuffed with violence. "time" has nothing to do with it. As time passes, Israel grows -- economically, demographically, socially.
22. "American Vision" is an OXYMORON!
marlene ,   Philadelphia, USA   (03.24.10)
America should look in the mirror at the vision of ITSELF and weep when it sees nothing. America has NO vision - just greed, stupidity and evil, corrupt, radically ignorant leaders. Oh, and more chutzpah than brains. You know, Christians say that G-d has a plan when there is suffering. So for every suffering from an anti-semitic, there's love from a supporter. I believe Israel has been given more love than ever before in its almost 6,000 year history. WE-THE-PEOPLE love you Israel, the land of the Jews!
23. Neverland, Oz and Atlantis will be free before "Palestine".
Chaim ,   Israel   (03.24.10)
#13 A fictional land, which never existed and never will exist, can't be free. Neverland, Oz and Atlantis will be free before "Palestine". You'd be wise to get on with your life and stop waiting for a fictional land to come alive.
24. Israel is not a U.S. ally, say
Nick ,   Devon, PA USA   (03.24.10)
most Americans in a CNN poll today (only 39 percent thought Israel was an ally). And they're right! The days of unconditional U.S. support for the expansionist Zionist agenda are over. Most of the sane Jews live in the US, and we're glad to have them.
25. Israel...Do not be Weak and Foolish
Craig ,   L.A., USA   (03.24.10)
Jerusalem is yours from God - All of Jerusalem...You will only bring down His wrath if you are weak and compromising. This is so tragic...because the majority of Israel has become secular, you will turn to treaties of men instead of trust in your God. Your leaders will put their trust and the fate of your nation in an illusion which promises security...you will be betrayed. Stand up with pride and tell Obama to pound sand...you are a sovereign people and nation. Obama is a pathetic anti-Jewish egomaniac...he can not be trusted, nor can Clinton. Israel...as a nation, if you will repent of your secularism and humbly seek your God, He will intervene at the darkest hour to deliver you and crush your enemies.
26. to 25
nana ,   jerusalem   (03.24.10)
the worst is to be strong and foolish
27. Ally or not!
Karine   (03.25.10)
Better to support Islamic djihadist???? American citizens think that it might avoid you another 9/11. US by radicalising his position over Israel leads the way to an arabic muslimim United States. Obama already said that the US was one of the biggest islamic nation in the world. It might happen that you or the sane jews you're talking about will one day fear what Israeli people live everyday,
28. I can't wait for the civil war
pub ,   jblow55555@yahoo.com   (03.28.10)
So I won't have to call people like "Nick" my fellow Americans. Israel is our only real ally and without Israel, the USA would be on its own. Israel and the USA are the only countries that make the Western World stronger and fight our enemies. The rest of the useless Euros and Commonwealths let their military crumble and just rely on defense from the American tax payer while they bash and hatemonger on us.
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