"a pure patron-client relationship that the Obama administration seems to be seeking." they asked to stop violating international law and make a peace agreement. say, are you any right in the head ?

Israel is America's most reliable ally? What about Jonathan Pollard? What about selling the information Pollard stole to the Russians. What about Israel selling American advanced military technology to China? What about the Lavon Affair? What about Monica Lewinski and Chandra Levy? And tell the families of the 30+ men Israel murdered when they deliberately attacked the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967. Israel is a parasite not unlike a tick on a dog. One day the Americans will scratch this bloodsucking tick off their hide. When they do innocent Jews worldwide better beware.

Well Ynet is really pushing the limit's of journalistic professionalism by publishing the opinions of an undergraduate student who wrote a rather sophomoric analysis of the security situation in the Middle East. So the Palestinian's training with General Dayton... we're not sure which side they're on? Or was that part not in your syllabus yet? Give me a break. This was pure combina because the kid knows someone and needs a nice link on his resume. Welcome to the great Protectzia Nation!

As a Zionist and a Jew, it pains me but at this point there really are no "shared values" between Israel and the US. What does a vibrant pluralistic democracy like the US have in common with a country governed by theocratic parties that demand things like gender-segregated buses; a country that does not offer freedom of religion to all Jews (Reform, Conservative)? a country that doesn't allow civil marriage? and a country with a government also controlled by an extremist Russian party that's trying to undermine the rule of law and minority rights? We in the US have nothing in common with such a government. Really, Obama's trying to save Israel from its current highly self-destructive urges and I hope he succeeds.

I served for twenty years in various major command headquarters combat staff positions and we never viewed Israel as any kind of asset. The key US operating locations in the region were always located in friendly Arab states.

The so called special relationship is a fiction dreamed up by Israel, AIPAC and various PR firms. American lives, money and global good will have been lost because of our uncritical support of Israel. The writer of this child like essay, David Hexner, is representative of the national sense of entitlement Israel has towards the US. To refer to America’s efforts to make Israel safe is an insult to every American. Israel has done NOTHING for America. Israel should do exactly as it wishes but do it without American foreign aid and protection.

capital is international law that was legislated in 1947, mmm in that law no deviding jerusalem sortly arabs didn't want to accepty it so they open fire on Israelis while the Brits took all Israelis weapons so they can only be given to god's mercy. so you see if arabs violeting international law and none say anything than the international law isn't valid anymore just a whimes of USA and it's puppy that follow Usa Around, But USA collecting so many enemies in the last years than she got no hold in the ME. her last friend is Israel, which now can turn to russia, since usa is doing nothing just talking no sanction on Iran. so if anything go wrong USA whill be on her own, believe me the relationship with russia is much better.

Learn your own history. No American lives have been lost for Israel. Aldrich Ames murdered some Americans because everyone wanted to blame the Jew Pollard. 9/11 was motivated by American support for the Saudi Kingdom. Both Iraq wars were started to support the Saudis. Speaking of which, imagine the Iraq wars if Israel hadn't destroyed the Osirak reactor.

Who made it up "international law"? Who abides by it? And what is "international law" anyway? Is that the same law that permits Palestinians to shoot rockets at Israel and send suicide bombers? Is that the same law that permits these people to execute their own people on suspicion of 'collaboration'? Is that the same law that permits Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and other rogue nations allied with the US, to oppress their own citizens, deprive them of basic rights, and to turn a blind eye to terrorists operating on their soil? Is that the same law that permits Russia to decimate and flatten all of Chechnya, and then steal land from Georgia? Is that the same law that permits the US to kill hundreds of women and children in Afghanistan, without even apologizing? Is that the same law that permits the US to meddle with the internal affairs and set up puppet-regimes in countries like Honduras? Is that the same law that permits NATO to bomb Serbia and kill hundreds of Serb citizens, for no real reason? Is that the same law that permits Hizbullah to arm itself with tens of thousands of rockets, and move its military on the Israeli border, in stark violation of UN resolution 1701? Is that the same law that permits France to conduct nuclear experiments in the Pacific? Is that the same law that permits Japan and Norway to continue their brutal whaling? Apparently, "international law" permits all of those things, because there is hardly any outcry from the world about them. But this is hardly surprising, because "international law" was never about preseving justice or helping the downtrodden of the world. It is merely a code-word reserved for an outcry directed exclusively against Israel.

The parallels are Reprehensible. The West Sacrificed part of democracy Czechoslovokia for "peace" to apease Hitler. The disgraceful reprensable betrayal merely whetted Hitlers appetitie for more. Here Obama ONLY harshly publicly Pressures Israel to Dscriminate against JEWS for housing in ancient Jerusalem. Like the JIM CROW LAWS but for Jews. While comparatively SILENT when Palestinians riot against Jews at the Western Wall or because they rebuilt a Synogogue. To "appease" Arab appetites! Reprehensible!

I'm wondering what kind of Zionist and Jew you are? "Zhidok" who like a dog stares into the eyes of his master waiting for an order, or the kind of jew policemen in warsaw getto hard working his baton pushing other jews into cattle carriages going to treblinka.

"What about Jonathan Pollard?" - Jonathan Pollard did not cause such a huge damage to American interests. He was spying for a friendly country, and American assets did not die because of him. Israel never sold that info to the Russians. Aldrich Ames, in comparison, spied for the Russians, and many CIA assets died because of him. But he wasn't a Jew, therefore antisemites like you prefer to ignore him. "What about selling the information Pollard stole to the Russians" - B.S. "What about Israel selling American advanced military technology to China?" - Never happened. Can you provide proof? Actually you'd find proof that AMERICAN firms sold military tech to China! "What about the Lavon Affair?" - Never materialized. "What about Monica Lewinski and Chandra Levy?" - Such an unbelievably, amazingly stupid remark certainly does not deserve any serious consideration, aside for the fact that your antisemitic colors are shown vividly here. "30+ men Israel murdered when they deliberately attacked the U.S.S. Liberty" - This was a clear case of mistaken identity. What was an American ship doing smack in the middle of a war zone, where they had absolutely no business being? And why would Israel deliberately and knowingly attack an American ship? How on earth does that serve an Israeli interest, to alienate America? Does that make sense? And furthermore, if the attack was supposedly deliberate, you would assume the American government would protest and stand behind its Navy. Why didn't it? Furthermore, you love to remember the Liberty... Well, I love to remember the Saint Louis. What was America's excuse to turn back this ship of hundreds of Jewish refugees, effectively sending them back to their death in Nazi Germany? "Israel is a parasite not unlike a tick on a dog. One day the Americans will scratch this bloodsucking tick off their hide" - Kind of presumptuous for an antisemitic Muslim like yourself to spew your filth on behalf of Americans.

...that doesnt make any of them right... however all of them get condemned when they do and feel sanctions or other consequences. you say: "It is merely a code-word reserved for an outcry directed exclusively against Israel." this is not true. the aims behind an peace agreement with clarification of the borders is imo to ease their defence. a military and verbal one. at the moment, hamas etc are some dark matter, making it difficult to get hold of. if the palestinian status is legal, "we can". and im sure, we will. israel is a tiny place, surrounded by an overwhelming number of extremists which might have armed up to the fringe, and their logistics chains and communications improved, since 1967.... it might be technically impossible to repeat that. NO - we dont want to see israel isolated or attacked. and i am sure, the reason behind a peace agreement, is to avoid THIS. someone else posted, the geographical disadvantages regarding to israels security when withdrawing from the west bank/golan. there must be a solution for your concerns, other than violation of law and ignoring the international community.

I do not disagree with what you said regarding the necessity of peace, however what I did have a serious issue with, is your simplistic slogan, "violating international law", and this will be the focus of my response here. You refer to violators of international law as "groups". Clearly this is not accurate. In my previous post I wasn't just referring to "groups", but also to sovereign countries, even superpowers. You conveniently ignored my references to plenty of much harsher violations by the US, Russia, France, and more. You further claim, "however all of them get condemned when they do and feel sanctions or other consequences". This is completely untrue. None of these countries was ever the subject of the same sanctions, scathing criticism and international isolation, that Israel is subjected to. In fact, all of them laugh out loud about international laws! Furthermore, does that fact that Hamas is some "dark matter" as you say, make it exempt from criticism? And until Palestinians have their state, they cannot be held accountable for their crimes? I actually wouldn't have a problem with that approach, if Israel would be spared from criticism too, in its fight against Hamas. However, when you burden only one side of a conflict with criticism, while leaving the other side exempt, this creates an unfair advantage to the exempt side, which can play by whatever rules it pleases. I realize you mean well, but unfortunately your thinking is too naive.

BRAVO Tahl. Excellent posts.

1)Oh really israel is no asset lets see how the us military would have mounted the gulf war 1 without israel knocking out the nuclear reacter yrs before they probably would have been vaporized with mini nucks or somthing 2)And the reason behind israel not being a key us operating location in the region is that if they would the arabs would scream israel is attacking arabs with the help of america or so on and so forth so america has to operate from arab countries 3)you mean the same friendly oil rich arab states that sponser terrorism Or how about during the cold war when israel went to war with soviet backed and supplied countries in the middle east and did that not help america to formulate how american forces would do against soviet forces 3)plus lets not forget israels mossad and there intelligence informtion about israels enemies which sometimes comes in handy for america

regarding the quality of your comment, I think your service in those "major command headquarters" was limited to serving tea.

American Technology to China By Israel continues 3. Anti-tactical ballistic missile technology, particularly information related to the U.S. Patriot missile. Despite a State Department investigation that could not find physical evidence to support allegations that Israel retransferred Patriot missile technology to China, it is widely believed in the U.S. intelligence community that Israel transferred technical data, but not Patriot hardware, to China, in violation of U.S. export laws. Technical modifications made to Chinese medium-range ballistic missiles fired across the Taiwan Strait in 1996 also support this allegation. 4. Laser weapons technology. The Jan. 27, 1999 Washington Times cited a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) report accusing Israel of selling U.S. laser technology to China. That technology was obtained by Israel in the joint U.S.-Israeli Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) program, formerly known as Nautilus. The lion’s share of funding for the Nautilus/ THEL program has come from U.S. taxpayers. (For more on THEL/Nautilus program and the DIA report, see: “Clinton Promises Israel Additional Aid, Including Nautilus Laser System,” WRMEA, July 1996, p. 37, and “U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency Report Accuses Israel of Laser Technology Transfer to China,”WRMEA, April/May 1999, p. 44.) On the deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. I'll let the men who were on the ship that day speak for themselves www.ussliberty.org On Monica Lewinski and Chandra Levey I will posit one question to you Why would two young Jewish girls be screwing two old American politicians, one the president and the other a high member on the US House Intelligence Committee?

with more unproven conspiracy theories against Jews controlling the world. Simply laughable! Try your luck with the Saudi Mafia family that financed, incited and trained the 9/11 bombers.

Keep your mid-life fantasies to yourself.

Concerning Pollard Let me quote the then US Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger “It is difficult for me, even in the so-called "year of the spy," to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant (Pollard) in the view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel ... I respectfully submit that any U.S. citizen, and in particular a trusted government official, who sells U.S. secrets to any foreign nation should not be punished merely as a common criminal. Rather the punishment imposed should reflect the perfidy of the individual's actions, the magnitude of the treason committed, and the needs of national security.” On Trading Some Secrets to the Russians Let me quote William J. Casey, the Director of the United States C.I.A. "For your information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the U.S.S.R. all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets." Casey explained that the Israelis had traded for Soviet jews. The Justice Department told Judge Robinson in a public memo, that numerous analysis of Soviet missile systems had been sold by Pollard, including "information from human sources whose identity could be inferred by a reasonably competent intelligence analyst. Moreover, the identity of the authors of these classified publications." On Israel Trading American Military Technology to the Chinese Let me quote an article from the Washington Report of Middle Eastern Affairs “China’s F-10 is a nearly identical copy of Israel’s failed Lavi fighter, a project that was terminated in 1987 after receiving more than $1.5 billion from U.S. taxpayers. Israel’s transfer of Lavi technology, which now has been confirmed by the United States, China, and Israel, is a direct violation of U.S. arms export laws and dozens of U.S.-Israel agreements. Even Israeli officials have stated publicly that more than 50 percent of the Lavi is of U.S. origin—which is an exceedingly conservative estimate, considering the fact that some 730 U.S. firms contributed to the Lavi’s development. What is not stated by Israel, however, or the United States for that matter, is that all U.S.-made components and technology related to the Lavi project are protected by U.S. arms export laws that forbid the retransfer of that technology to third countries without U.S. permission, which in this case has not been given.” Here’s more: 1. Cruise missile technology, including Israel’s STAR-1 cruise missile which “incorporates sensitive U.S. technology,” according to American University professor and technology retransfer specialist Duncan Clarke. 2. Air-to-air missile technology, including Israel’s Python-3 short-range air-to-air missile, which is thought to be a re-engineered version of the U.S.-made AIM-9 “Sidewinder.” And Cnythia The Israel connection to Lewinski is the untold story of Bibi Netanyahu's treachery. I'll deal with it in another post by I''ve reached the 4000 character limit.

Not a damn one of them is fighting alongside American troops. Israel hurts American national security. And the faster we make Hexner's dream of complete separation a reality, the faster that Israel will make peace instead of its constant decades long war in Fortress Israel.

I informed the editor in chief of my intentions. I would stop posting with BBSNews, our servicemark, and start posting with my real name. The person who is now impersonating me using my real name brings Ynet under the very real threat of a lawsuit. It is not a "shared value" for Israel to let people impersonate others, using identity theft, to make vile remarks and affect my good name. Israel is well known in the news now about using identity theft to further political ambitions in Israel. It would behoove Ynet to immediately look through the logs, and ban the IP address of the offender or be left open to the charge that Ynet itself is facilitating this kind of identity theft. Maybe you folks never met a real person in talkbacks before. Well, now you have. And I am one that will not stop until my identity is protected and prevented from being stolen. A junior Internet administrator could handle this in five minutes. I can only assume at this point that Ynet has no intention of doing the right thing, and in fact, is colluding with the impostor to attempt to ruin my good name.

Unfortunately you are correct with your critisms.Israel is becoming a very ugly society without realising it. I once thought that things would improve but now after decades of decline think that the slide is irriversible.

BIBI’S BASE BUCKELING Now, on the site (www.Haaretz.Com), there was an article, written by Natasha Mozgavaya, Nearly [300] Three-Hundred, Congress members declare commitment to unbreakable U.S.-Israel bond, and in the letter no less than [300] Three-Hundred elected American Congressional Representative pledged and reaffirmed their personal [COMMITMENT], to ensure that the Unshakable Special Relationship, that the Israel-American Empire, has remains a strong special relationship, continuing to maintain the bonds running deep, thru the entire administration [Oval Office Down], guaranteeing their commitment to Israel's security and future is rock solid, its much like the State of Israel Loyalty Laws; LOYALTY LAWS: All citizens of Israel must declare their loyalty to the State of Israel, those who commits a disloyal act, or is a member of any group or organization acting against the principles of the State of Israel such as [Shministim Jewish Voice for Peace]: A disloyal group of the new generation of young Jewish-Israeli kids standing up to the Israeli government - they call 'em "Shministim." The Shministim- all about the ages of [17 thru 19], seventeen-thru-nineteen age group, and in the [12th] twelfth grade - are taking a stand. They believe in a better, more peaceful future for themselves with a unity government of demographically equal representation within the government of Israelis and Palestinians, and they are refusing to join the Israeli army. They're jailed, for holding strong centrist views against the present Israeli Government while facing immense pressure from family, and friends beyond that of the punishment of the Israeli government, anyone who denies the existence of the Democratic State of Israel, with Jerusalem as its capital, but a Theocratic Parliamentary Government, shall be sentenced to a minimum of [1] One Year imprisonment, and their citizenship revoked, ending all rights as a Citizen of Israel. [The Old Lions of Judea] [AIPAC/AZC]: The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee/American Zionist Council, As every politically conscious/junkie individual of the Community of Nations on the face of the earth knows [All] the Imperial Court of the Media Messiah Imperial President are owned by the by the State of Israel thru [AIPAC/AZC] via its powerful pro-Israel, Dual Citizenship, Non-Israeli Jewish political pressure Lobbyist organization made up of an umbrella group of prominent and numerous pro-Israel organizations forming the lobbyists group [AIPAC/AZC] with a membership numbering (100K) One-hundred-Thousand, neo-conservative’s, which represent the Old Lions of Israel within the American half of the Empire, and like the Don’s of the God Father Saga, the ring of power will soon be passed to a new generation, and that is the Achilles Heel of Israel, within that half, and the reason for [AIPAC/AZC] have put pressure upon the [300] of Congress to basically sign a Loyalty Oath to the State of Israel. HERCULE TRIATHLON SAVINIEN

First, regarding Pollard. How convenient of you to quote Caspar Weinberger, who was Pollard's biggest hater and enemy. Surely his opinion is anything but neutral, and I could provide you plenty of well-established opposing opinions. Also, the quote you brought here brings no facts to reveal the real gravity of Pollard's espionage, it is merely Weinberger going off on a tantrum. Clearly, everything he says here is a huge exaggeration. How could he possibly refer to Pollard's actions as the most harmful to America's national security, when Aldrich Ames clearly created a whole lot more damage, including many dead CIA assets? Furthermore, it is well-documented that Pollard was actually framed to take the blame for some of Ames' crimes. And as I said earlier, since Ames was not a Jew, you conveniently ignore him. As for Casey's blaming of Israel of selling American secrets to the Soviets. Robert Gates, the current Secretary of Defense, and Casey's former deputy, alleged that Casey "had never indicated to him that he had specific information about the Pollard material arriving in Moscow", and that "The notion that the Russians may have gotten some of the stuff has always been no more than a viewpoint". Furthermore, even Seymour Hersh, who wrote the New Yorker article "The Traitor" against Pollard, admitted that his sources "stressed the fact that they had no hard evidence - no 'smoking gun' in the form of a document from an Israeli or a Soviet archive - to demonstrate the link between Pollard, Israel and the Soviet Union..." Now, regarding selling US military technology to China. The Lavi, while indeed financed mostly by America, and used an American Pratt & Whitney engine, had avionic systems developed in ELTA, Elbit, and Rafael - Defense Electronics companies in Israel. The allegations about selling American technologies to China for their development of the J-10 where all put to rest by David Ivry, then the chief of Israel's Defense Bureau, who gave the American Administration solid proof that the technologies sold were purely Israeli. As for your points 1 through 3: who the hell is this Professor Clarke? Who determines what is "thought to be a re-engineered version of US made Sidewinder", and who proved any kind of infringement? You even admit yourself, that the State Department's investigation could not find physical evidence to support their allegations. So as you can see, all the evidence you rely on is extremely questionable. As for your point 4: You should read carefully into this article. The DIA's report relies solely on the observation of American workers who visited the IAI's Mabat company, responsible for the THEL's fire control - who saw some Chinese workers in the area. Now how is that proof of technology theft?... This proves nothing! And, this happened 13 years ago. Is there any proof that the Chinese have developed anything similar to the THEL, ever since? Moreover, the IAI is a large company that is involved in many secret projects, not just the THEL. Does it need to report to the US for each and every project it undertakes? Finally, unlike the sketchy stories you brought up against Israeli companies, I now have some SOLID facts about AMERICAN companies selling sensitive American secrets to China. Chew on this: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/inside-the-ring-2059116/ And this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_27_18/ai_90114133/ And you know the good part? Obama just made it easier for them! And again, your Monica Lewinsky and Chandra Levy theory is so unbelievably stupid (and offensive) that the only thing it exposes, is your flagrant antisemitism.

The word you are looking for is "behove" not behoove. You yourself have ruined your name here by bashing Israel & Jews in your every post on this forum.We all know what a closet anti-semite you are. I wish you the very best of luck in your new mission.

Please, forgive this incredibly blatant show of disrespect for Israel by our leader. His actions do not speak for many of us. A great many of U.S. citizens support Israel in their right to prosper in their OWN land.