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Ayalon to US: Pressure will prevent peace
Roni Sofer
Published: 21.04.10, 14:27
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1. Martin Indyk the Bully
Marcel ,   Florida   (04.21.10)
What arrogance of this man and the globalist elite who long ago hijacked the U.S.Government to meddle in Israel's internal affairs. They don't bother to hide this any longer and openly trample Israel's sovereignty. Netanyahu must serve Israel not PHARAOH OBAMA. Israel has been addicted to the U.S. and looks to it as an idol worshiper looks to his idol.They don't look to G-d for peace but to the one they replaceed Him with. The Holy One of Israel is removing this stumblingblock from Israel so His people can return to Him with all their hearts. The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. Proverbs 21:1
2. WHY ..
egyptian ,   EGYPT   (04.21.10)
WHY U NOT GET OFF YOUR NUCLEAR WEAPON AND GET RID OFF ALL NUCLEAR WEAPON IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE WHOLE WORLD AN JUST LEAVE A NORMAL HUMAN LIFE THINK ABOUT IT WE WILL ALL GAIN
3. The Muslim-Arab world, local and regional simply don't wish
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (04.21.10)
to reach an accommodation of peaceful coexistence with the Jewish people whose nation-state Israel is. They have rejected every single opportunity and offer since 1917: 1. Balfour Declaration, 1917 2. San Remo conference, 1920 3. League of Nations decision, 1922 4. Peel Commission, 1937 5. United Nations Resolution, 1947 6. When West Bank, eastern Jerusalem and Gaza were "cleansed" of Jews and under Arab rule, no attempt to set up a state, 1948 to 1967 7. Israel's offer for withdrawal, 1967 8. Begin and Saadat proposal, 1978 9. Barak and Clinton proposal, 2000 10. Sharon withdrawal from Gaza, 2005 11. Olmert (and Bush) proposal, 2008 12. Netanyahu's invitation to sit, talk and resolve the conflict, 2009/10 The Muslim-Arabs clearly have no interest in peace based on this very long pattern but rather in the annihilation of Israel, either through a full scale war or in stages. This is the reason why they refuse to accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people and this is the reason why they refuse to see in a peace treaty an "end of the conflict". For them the conflict will end only when Israel is no more. Never Again is our response!
4. Indyk is a member of Shalom Akshav North America
tanya ,   tel aviv israel   (04.21.10)
We just got rid of our own "akshavnikim".
5. #1 Marcel=underrated,unappreciated.
Janice Cohen ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.21.10)
Loads of subtle wisdom ! Why is'nt he in Israel ?
6. Its true! Only Israel made concessions!
Said ,   Amman, Jordan   (04.21.10)
Concession #1: Israel recognises that Palestinians are human beings and have rights! Concession #2: Israel recognises that, as human beings with rights, they have a right to live independently on their own land. A fact that Jews enjoy in Israel and have been graciously trying to extend this privilege to Palestinians. Concession #3: As stealing land from those you recognise to have rights to it is never conducive to peace, Israel has magnanimously conceded that temporarily freezing this kind of organised theft is what may tempt the Palestinians to feel that Israel is serious about peace! I mean seriously! How ungrateful can these Palestinians be in not recognising that Israel has made these three very painful concessions, among similar others?!?! Ayalon rightly hints that if only the Palestinians would simply lick the IDF's boots harder so that they could put a nicer shine on tthings to the outside world, Israel would throw them a bone and consider it a feast. They might even (mouth getting dry, heart beating faster, vision becoming blurry!) allow them to travel freely within each bantustan! (of course Israel must decide who's allowed in to these bantustans, who they can make deals and alliances with and how far into the sea they're allowed to swim) Just wants to make you get up and sing 'Imagine" by John Lennon. Seriously, Palestinians, seriously! When are you people going to GROW UP and reciprocate?!
7. Recipe for self-respect : Pre-Oslo.
Dr. Strangelove ,   Los Alamos   (04.21.10)
And less victims, I might add.
8. They also rejected the...
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (04.21.10)
very generous Israeli Peace Plan of 2002. The Arab nations have NEVER said that they would recognize Israel, NEVER consider the Arab-Israeli conflict over, NEVER sign a peace treaty with Israel nor establish normal relations with within the framework of this comprehensive peace and only a damn fool would say otherwise. Until the Arabs meet these demands WE WILL NEVER make peace with them and will continue to control every aspect of their lives in the occupied territories.
9. #3 you are absolutly right
Psalms 83 ,   Selah   (04.21.10)
Quote:The Muslim-Arabs clearly have no interest in peace based on this very long pattern but rather in the annihilation of Israel, either through a full scale war or in stages. This is the reason why they refuse to accept Israel's right to be, to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people and this is the reason why they refuse to see in a peace treaty an "end of the conflict". "For them the conflict will end only when Israel is no more." ============= the liberal world think tanks have a filter tha prevents them from seeing and dealing with this issue.... the prophets of the Tanach are 100% correct when they said "in the time of the end israel and jerusalem would be a burdensome stone to the nations" it will be a time when israels only support will come from God himself...the nations of this world disreguard the prophets of old so thier rude awaking with come upon them like a thief in the night.... folks that time of the end is upon us concider it fiction at your own risk !
10. Peace
Norman M. Vincent ,   Kampala-Uganda   (04.21.10)
Very grateful for your ideas. I think the peace in the Middle East will not be brought by the gun or negotiations but the God of Israel. Jews should remember their God who brought their fore fathers from Egypt and fought for them on many battle fronts. He is the same yesterday, to day and forever. Israel, LOOK TO HIM AND YOU WILL NEVER BE DISSAPOINTED.
11. # 8 is a fake! This is NOT a post I have ever posted or
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (04.21.10)
would ever post! Sadly, some, instead of dealing with that which I present here attempt to undermine it by impersonating me!
12. The meaning of the Two States Solution.
Ron B. ,   Lod   (04.21.10)
The instability will not simply remain within Israel's borders. Hamas is a wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, which seeks to overthrow Egypt's government and replace it with an Islamic state. Palestinian Arab terrorism has long been a destabilizing factor in Jordan and Lebanon's politics. What they lacked before was a secure national base of operations. Something that the "Two State Solution" will finally provide them with. if the Two State Solution will not end terrorism or bring stability to the Middle East, what exactly will it solve? More at : http://xrl.us/bfjq7k
13. #6 lol sarcasm is not my cup of tea
Nour ,   Palestine   (04.21.10)
But you made me laugh. Ayalon made me laugh even harder - he is a real piece of work!
14. to said
fatima ,   london   (04.21.10)
why don't the Arabs do just what you have suggested,may be we will live in peace then!! i personally find your sarcasm obscene and your thinking very selfish and simplistic. what you call land theft is in reality restoration and reconquering of a land by its right owners.Stop hating and recognise the right of jews to a homeland,they have nowhere to go Israel is their Home.JEWS ARE BETTER FOR PALESTINIANS THAN ANYONE IN THIS WORLD IF YOU STOP HATING AND KILLING THEM.i am sure you are intelligent enough and have empathy. thank you
15. Not about politics
Ken ,   Australia   (04.21.10)
Theres no way the iranians are going to stop , its quite obvious they are well on the way to acheiving the neuclear bombs they are trying to make. Its all part of there plans to become a force in the region under the islamist umbrella. Once they succeed they will be very hard to deal with, cutting them off now is the key , they must be punished for there crimes, they mask there crimes very well underneath there threats, if you touch me I will get you back and so they continue, now the preasure point is here, and this is the point they wanted to aquire all along, so now theres no chance they will stop, because they know they have the preasure on you, its the head guys idea so they can start to negotiate there idea of where they should be or where they intend to go and what they intend to take. You can be sure they dont care about a palestine state they beleive it is there already. It will be war and they have been moveing towards it very quickly. So dont worry about iranians or politics with the palestines, think about conspiracies and being sold out by your friends, this is what there counting on and this is the window they will try to get a bomb through.
16. #6 What did you do with evacuated GAZA
Sam   (04.21.10)
Please my ears are open to learn what you have used Gaza for.
17. Perverted Logic
Jason ,   USA   (04.21.10)
So using pressure will prevent peace? Interesting...especially when its so clear the sides are so willing to make peace on their own (sarcasm). Let me translate Ayalon's words for you: "Peace is important, but not as important as Israel's desire to ethnically-cleanse E. Jerusalem of Arabs and expropriate what little land the Palestinians have left in the West Bank. Israel's idea of "peace" is forcing the Palestinians back into population centers, walling them off, and then giving them a completely non-viable Swiss Cheese "state" in name only.
18. DO NOT FALL IN THE PEACE TRAP !!!.
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19. DO NOT FALL IN THE PEACE TRAP !!!.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (04.21.10)
ALIYA IS THE FUTURE OF ISRAEL, AND THE LAND OF JEHOVAH. ALL JEWS IN THE WORLD WILL IN A COUPLE OF YEARS COME HOME. Isaiah 54 1"Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear! Break forth into singing and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child! For more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife," saith the LORD. 2Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations; spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes. 3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left, and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. 4"Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed; neither be thou confounded, for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. 5For thy Maker is thine husband" the LORD of hosts is His name" and thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; the God of the whole earth shall He be called. To this Ayalon responded, "Resolving the conflict with the Palestinians is a principal Israeli interest, and no one may moralize with us on this issue. We desire peace, and have proved it more than once. If the Palestinian leadership had done half of what Israel has done for peace, we would have achieved peace with our neighbors by now. In response to Israel concessions, we must also see Palestinian concessions." WE MUST NOT - JESAJAH 11 14But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; He added, "Peace is our goal, and if the means to achieving that goal is the creation of a Palestinian state, then that is what must be done THIS PRESENT ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ARE PREPEARED TO DIVIDE AND SACRIFICE THE LAND OF YEHOVAH FOR A FAKE PEACE - Joel 3 1"For behold, in those days and in that time, when I shall bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, 2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My land. -WAR IS THE RESULT - 9Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles: Prepare war! Wake up the mighty men! Let all the men of war draw near; let them come up. 10Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak say, "I am strong." 11Assemble yourselves and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about; thither cause Thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. 12"Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. 13Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, get you down; for the press is full, the vats overflow--for their wickedness is great!" 14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision; for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and the earth shall shake; but the LORD will be the hope of His people, and the strength of the children of Israel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSATpx7uzk TIME HAS COME TO CUT THE US OFF - Former US Ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk said Tuesday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must choose between the US president and his right-wing allies. "The shift in America’s Middle East interests means that Netanyahu must make a choice: Take on the president of the United States, or take on his right wing." Indyck said in an article published by the New York Times. "If he continues to defer to those ministers in his cabinet who oppose peacemaking, the consequences for US-Israel relations could be dire." I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CURRENT ISRAELI PM I STRONG ENUFF TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISSION. Arn.
20. is it not enough?
Dan ,   USA   (04.21.10)
#8 sounds like a good dose of sarcasm, as the Arabs were the ones who offered full recognition, peace, and normal relations for Israel to accept 67 borders... And the offer has been on the table. HOw the Israelis can with a straight face say that they are the ones who have been working towards peace is beyond me. Oh, and please, enlighten me people, please tell me: What concessions do you want the Palestinians to make? Stop saying "concessions" and specify! What do they have? They are the occupied, what you want? An arm and a leg? Isn't it enough all that they've had taken from them: Land, children, honor, dignity, hope for prosperity and safe life, safety, stability, sovereignty, trees, water, life...
21. What concessions do you want the Palestinians to make?
Galut ,   Selah   (04.21.10)
# 1 on the list -recognize israels right to exist #2 remove from the charters of hamas hezbulah & fatah the goal of israels removal from palistine...#3 Stop all terror activities,sucidebomders rocket and mortor attacks on civilian cities in israel....ect... #4 live in true peace alongside your israeli nieghbors not just A HUDNA... In any society there are always problems to iron out but witout the above it is like trying to shove a 20ton bus up a steep incline by hand.... I seriously think hamas ,fatah &hezbulah will not agree to the above...to them it is a blood covenant -if broken that person or leader forfits thier lives the muslim peoples of the mid east has 95% of the land area israel approx 5% ....haven't seen any effort to acommendate relocation from refugee camps in lebbenon by thier moslim brothers when they have millions of acres of unused land ready for development and billions of dollors of oil money availble to help the devlopment.... but I guess thier gold lined throne rooms are more important to them.....while people outside thier doors live in abject poverty.... but then if you can get folks to devert attention to the removal of israel....
22. #16 What did you do with evacuated GAZA ?
Galut ,   Selah   (04.21.10)
for starters they destroyed the greenhouses that was given to them intact and operational http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9331863/ http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/gaza_green.htm http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL3111115220080131 http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49710 http://hedgehogcentral.blogspot.com/2006/11/whatever-happened-to-those-gaza.html ============ http://theopavlidis.com/reprints/harari_gaza.htm Will Rasmussen, “Gaza's greenhouses become hot property in Egypt,” Reuters, (January 31, 2008). Khaled Abu Toameh, “Gaza: Gunmen raze Morag hothouses,” Jerusalem Post, (May 14, 2006). http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961338035&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull ------------------------------ Hamas urges Palestinian ministry to protect greenhouses in Gaza http://www.reliefweb.int/rwarchive/rwb.nsf/db900sid/VBOL-6LTFDV?OpenDocument ----------- Out of Touch with Reality http://straightplatform.com/category/hamas/ ------ Troubled season for Gaza's greenhouses http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1025/p04s01-wome.html ================= there is much more that can be found...Just google it
23. Obama Demands
valcanoman ,   Western Wa. St. USA   (04.21.10)
Sad but the US government dismisses what Americans want why would this administration care what is best for Israel. Time for Israel to tell Obama NO in public and move on. G-D not Obama protects Israel.
24. Israel is simply not trusted anymore, it's just not...
Michael Hess ,   Charlotte, NC   (04.22.10)
...period. This is because no matter what these successive governments claim, the world knows it's a lie, because the illegal colonies grow by thousands and so does the associated IDF/IAF thatit takes to protect them and the water sources under Palestinian territory for them to drink and fill their swimming pools. No one can hide this anymore. It is in all of the popular media. Many thousands of activists worked to get the truth out and now it is. This effort has now reached the highest echelons of power. And they are not located in a tiny backwoods country of 7.5 million in podunk. We are tired of hearing your usual lies Israel! Time's up! Go Obama!
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