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Our true friends
Dan Calic
Published: 22.04.10, 11:22
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61. TALKBACKS 45 - 54 - 58.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (04.23.10)
THE CHRIST/MESSIAH IS Adon THUS - Psalm 110 1The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit Thou at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool." THE LORD IS JEHOVAH. The Lord is Adon. The Lord/Adon here, is not the SEED of David, but, THE SEED OF JEHOVAH, THUS - Zecharijah 12 10And I will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of supplication; """and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced""", Adon EVEN Jesus and they shall mourn for Him/Adon as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him/Adon as one who is in bitterness for his firstborn. THE ONEBORN SON OF JEHOVAH. 2The LORD/JEHOVAH shall send the rod of Thy /Adons strength out of Zion. Rule Thou/Adon in the midst of Thine/Adons enemies! 3Thy /Adons people shall be willing in the day of Thy/Adons power; in the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning, Thou/Adon hast the dew of Thy /Adons youth. THIS YOUTH IS THE ONEBORN SON OF JEHOVAH, FROM THE MORNING OF CREATION. 4The LORD/JEHOVAH hath sworn and will not repent: "Thou/Adon art a priest for ever, after the order of Melchizedek." Adon IS BOTH KING AND PREAST. THIS IS ALSO THE INTENTION OF JEHOVAH REGARDING ISRAEL. TO BEE A NATION OF KINGS AND PREASTS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSATpx7uzk Arn.
62. Dan Calic's article "Our True Friends"
Peggy Nadeau ,   Oroville, CA   (04.23.10)
Thank you for your common sense article. I am a Christian who absolutely loves the Jewish people because I read the Bible and understand your history! God's Holy Spirit who lives within me LOVES YOU!!!!!! God chose Abraham and we Gentiles owe your fathers and your prophets so much. Your very prophets proclaimed exactly who your Messiah would be as well as the events that we are now living in 2010. The miracle of Israel now being your nation is an everlasting promise. God said so and it is just one more bit of evidence of how much He means what He says! I pray for Israel always and love her deeply. Peggy Nadeau
63. god bless pastor hagee and the lovely christians.
mira ,   israel   (04.23.10)
we have a stronger link with them then we do with the american jews.
64. #15- please just leave israel.
mira ,   israel   (04.23.10)
you are the next anat kamm.
65. #54, 58 & 61: Christian phony "Jews"
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.23.10)
What posters 54, 58 & 61 are so upset about is that the Netzarim are living proof of the falseness of Christian "Jews" calling themselves "Messianics." The Netzarim are not the only Orthodox Jews publicizing the findings of eminent historians from the most prestigious universities across the world: that Ribi Yehoshua was NOT the Christian (antinomian) Jzeus and, indeed, the two are intractable, mutually exclusive opposites. You'll find it on the Jews for Judaism site and the most highly historically-educated Orthodox rabbis acknowledge it. That is why Pastor Hagee (and all Christians who are serious about learning more about Ribi Yehoshua--"Ribi" was Pharisee = Orthodox) avoid the phony "Messianics" in order to learn from legitimate Orthodox rabbis like Rabbi Schlomo Riskin, Chief Rabbi of Efrat. The difference between me and posters of 54, 58 & 61 is that I pray in an Orthodox synagogue here in Raanana, Israel (Moreshet Avot) on Shabbat while posters of 54, 58 & 61 worship in their churches--and probably on Sunday. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (& Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jews)
66. 65 - Oh the irony in your calling ME phony !
Shmulik   (04.23.10)
Praying in an Orthodox synagogue no more makes one Orthodox than walking in a barn will make one a horse. And no more than going through the conversion process makes one Jewish, especially one who displays such a blatant disregard for Jewish values as yourself. As for your Sinat Chinam false accusations about me, is this normal for you to make assumptions with zero information? Keep talking, I'm learning a lot about the kind of person you are.
67. #24
usofa   (04.23.10)
ignorance is bliss! if only you knew what was going on....come out from under the rock and do research...
68. You are wrong
to #8 ,   U.S.   (04.24.10)
Your words, "Christian Zionists believe that in order for the biblical prophecy of the End of Days to come that every single Jew in the world must be converted to christianity. " These are your words and Your beliefs NOT christians. Those who fear the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, do not go around Converting any Jewish person per say!!! 1. First support Israel and G-D's people. 2. Love the L-RD our G-D with all our heart and soul and mind and strength. 3. Love our neighbors with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. 4. answer your question with a question! Where does it say to go and convert specifically, G-D's chosen people. Repeat those are your words. G-D gives every one a free will to believe, when, where, and how and best of all G-D gives HIS Ruach HaKodesh to do this NOT your words. Christians and Christian Zionist can't convert anyone to believe in G-D. This relationship has to be drawn first and to do what we think G-D needs done is NOT G-D'S will. We will Bless Israel and G-D's people. If a christian said, I converted you and I converted him and I converted her, be careful that is not a christian. Because there are too many "I"s.
69.  Hagge. Get lost !
ky ,   london   (04.24.10)
Hagee portrays jews as complete victims of Nazism as a fulfilment of his imagined prophesy. This is not the truth , Jewish men in the US and UK of my fathers generation were hunters of Nazis. My own father hunted down and captured SS officers as a British soldier in Europe. Jews are a free people. Free to live anywhere they chose in this world. We will not be hunted down and fished like animals and forced to live in one place because Mr Hagee says so.. His views are revolting . He is no friend to us and to put it as politely as i can, should get lost.
70. To #24 What meds are you taking?
Kimmy ,   New York US   (04.24.10)
If Obama's so great, why is it that he's putting pressure on Israel vs. Iran? Ahmadinejad is the one making threats. Who knows what will happen when he's able to produce nuclear arms. Obama's taking the easy way out. Pure laziness!
71. I stand with you
Alin ,   Bucharest,Romania   (04.24.10)
Your ennemies are my ennemies. If I forget you, Israel, let my name be cursed among all nations. Stand beside me until i put all your ennemies as sand to your legs
72. Phony Fake Fraud and More Evil
Josh   (04.24.10)
One who steals or kills a soul is more frightning to me than one who points a gun at me. From the article: "I have to choose between those willing to stand with us and support our country vs. those who murder our people, wish to destroy our country and BELIEVE IN A GOD WHO CURSES US, the choice becomes an easy one." From this statement, this guy wants us to believe G-d will not curse choose death Hebrews? Not even sinning Israelis? So if a Jew believes G-d wrote in Torah and maintains application of curses on evil people, thne they are siding with Muslims? We should stop believing in the G-d of Torah and start standing with Christians? Sneaky slight of hand comment? The audacity of fools like this. Israel is only ours if we choose life and choose a blessing and if we chose curses, we get the curses and we can see this in our history. Muslims reminding us that they are watching us and our adhearance to Torah while they watch for Torah curses, is in fact their mistake if conquering us is their goal. It is like telling another in a card game how to win. It is strategically a suicide. They will help remind us to become strong and blessed by Torah so that they could never ever defeat us. If a Muslim wants to defeat us they need to trick us to side with paganism or accept magic into our homes to provoke G-d so we loose G-d as our strength. Like getting us to use a Jainism chakra hand, putting our trust in idol objects or a man god. We can also see in the number of vultures hovering to steal our souls that the curses are alive and well and we are moving closer to the wriong path of death. I don't want the idea of having a common enemy as the basis of accpeting evil ideas. The g-d that is described as all-love and no curses, is NOT our G-d. So no Christians and Jews do not share the same G-d because so many have a belief in a g-d that doesn't exists. Their descriptions of characteristics G-d doesn't have is proof it is not the same G-d. I won;t be standing with anyone who has the first commandment wrong.
73. Jzeus? Yeah but you teach Jesus (Yshu/Ribbi Yehoshua) is!
David   (04.24.10)
Don't you? Jesus doesn't match on single predictive messhiah propehcy taken in context and violates and angers G-d when Jews observe false additions to Torah. Pretending to be an orthodox observant Jew and targeting Reform Jews is a good diguise, but who need to wear a mask like this? Liars?
74. Insanity dressed in religious garb
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (04.24.10)
"Christian' Zionists is a contradiction in terms. Rather than relying on following the teachings of Jesus, they follow a curious amalgam of Old Testament (Torah) and Revelations. Their purpose in supporting the state of Israel is not to promote any kind of justice or mercy, rather it is to hasten, in their view ythe 'End Of Days, i.e. Armageddon and the destruction it entails. In their theology, of course, this will mean the destruction of all Jews who don't accept their 'Christ' and his Second Coming. Jews, on the other hand, accept these Christian Zionists under the thory of " ..the enemy of my enemy is mey friend". The support of these 'Christians' is seen as a benefit for they, like most Israelis, view Arabs as somehow less-than-human and undeserving of 'justice'. They, like Israeli apologists, will whitewash any Israeli racism and crimes. For Israelis, their goal, ostensibly is a 'Jewish' state, for their Christian followers, it is death and destruction. The funny thing is that both of these goals seem to lead to the same place, a modern 'End Of Days'.
75. 73 - disagreement about jesus, agreement about nutzarim
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (04.24.10)
jew, christian, gentile, messianic, secular, orthodox, reformed, etc; we all agree about teh pakeed =no sale.
76. Hagee is friend of Israel
Yoel   (04.25.10)
I have personally attended John Hagee’s speech about Israel and also saw him on TV speak about Israel. He is not Anti Semite and is true friend of Israel. How many friends do we have? I think we shouldn’t be self destructive and not turn away a hand of friendship that is extended to us.
77. When men are held toTorah note who screams loudest...
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.25.10)
and irrationally, ignoring eminent historians, historical documentation, fact, science and logic. Intelligent and educated Orthodox Jews are NOT in that category with the rest of you.
78. 77 - who loudly and irrationally screams for lawsuits here?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (04.25.10)
when anyone disagrees, who is the one screaming for a lawsuit? is that what torah and eminent historians tell us to do? actually, when people ask for facts (you like facts, you claim) about what you say about who you are, there is no screaming, no facts, nothing but silence. is that what torah and "eminent historians, historical documentation, fact, science and logic" would do? is that what "Intelligent and educated Orthodox Jews" would do and behave? yeah, let's hold ourselves to torah. anytime you want go ahead.
79. This article perfectly sums up...
k1w1 ,   NZ   (04.26.10)
...what's wrong with Israel and it's people and it's supporters who would rather bury their heads in the sand than face up to and seriously address the "rising international criticism..." Sums up everything that's wrong with Religion, too. This must be one of the most hateful articles I've read here on Ynet.
80. #24 Obama Your Friend & Will Bring Peace?
Gary Ridenour ,   Merritt Island, USA   (04.27.10)
#24, you have to be kidding! The people of Israel were given the land over 3000 years ago, and yet you are content to give it away for a false peace as Obama demands?! What is it about the promise by the PLO, Iran and all Arabs ad nauseum to annihilate Israel that you do not understand? There is nothing you will ever be able to do to stop them from wanting to destroy Israel completely, so why bother? I strongly recommend you read the Bible [written by Jews] to know the real truth of how peace can truly be attained! Furthermore, Gaza is just an example of what the Jews will get if they give more land away – think about it, it will just make it easier for them to hit all of Israel with missiles and kill more Jews!!! And, you can trust that Obama will side with the Arab Muslims, not with Israel - don't kid yourself. Obama a pathological liar and a sociopath!
81. Hagee: Sincere but insensitive.
The 11th Man ,   London   (04.29.10)
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