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Shooting the messenger
Asaf Gefen
Published: 09.05.10, 18:09
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31. Goldstone has chosen to deliver non-facts, thus he is
Anat ,   Israel   (05.10.10)
being attacked.
32. Sure - bring Goldstone to Israel now!
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (05.10.10)
Amazing what this author is calling for: "...bring the honorable judge to Israel, and utilize his skills and his past experience in order to cultivate the Israeli apartheid mechanism that may be established here soon." Skills and past experience? What - to hand out death sentences to Palestinians? Ynet should screen these op-eds to make sure they aren't overly moronic - like this one.
33. Try to Remember NUREMBERG
Memories...   (05.10.10)
A similar trial as NUREMBERG , with the same accusations of " I acted according the Law", would send this juge to the same fate he sent his black people.
34. "shooting the messenger" means different things
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (05.10.10)
in israel it means an open, free, and frank diagreement. in gaza and the west bank, it means actually shooting and killing those with whom you disagree. it's easy to criticize israel. not so easy to criticize the blatant palestinian atrocities.
35. pizza delivery
kao ,   Malibu, us   (05.10.10)
dud this guy is not just the delivry boy he is the one that made the pizza and then deliver the poisend pizza, wake up no need to be holly er the hasus. capish
36. #18 wake up
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (05.10.10)
There were many countries (US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia) that traded with apartheid South Africa. Israel, with its tiny economy, was a minor trading partner. But if we want to discuss international trade, rich Norway is currently an important trading partner with China (Tibet?), Turkey (Kurdistan?) and the apartheid state of Saudi Arabia. And who can forget that Norway was the main ally of Germany during the Second World War.
37. Depends on the pizza preparation
Jonny ,   South Africa   (05.10.10)
If the Pizza Delivery Boy had dirty hands, and helped prepare the pizza, I certainly would have reservations about the content.
38. Goldy isnt anti anything-he is a plain mercenary opportunist
Alan ,   SA   (05.10.10)
39. Gladstone's credibility it's factual deal not add hominem
ygalg ,   israel   (05.10.10)
would you Asaf Gefen allow Joseph Goebbels to investigate cast lead?
40. Asaf
Elli ,   Natanya   (05.10.10)
your mind is too smal to see the picture as complete .. The relevence lies in the fact that this miserable opportunistic man or rather leach, trampled on all thats is valuable in human rights to ride on a wave of fame , and u as miserable have the odacity to so called "logically " defend this louse. You are both of the same mantle
41. Your logic = FAIL
Ephraim   (05.10.10)
You say that Goldstone spoke truth, so who cares what he did beside it. However you are wrong, since to you, all those allegations have been truth from the begining. Thus Goldstone was just supporting your claims, which in your mind are true on their own merit. To us, those claims are false no matter who says it, and whether or not he was a racist, or a saint, we reject his view on Cast Lead. However to the rest of the world, the strength of the claims of Israeli war crimes rest on his reputation as a judge. Since his reputation is tainted, these claims are weakened, and neutral obeservers will no longer assume by default that ISrael comitted war crimes in the region.
42. Richard Goldstone, never to be forgotten...
Michael Hess ,   Charlotte, NC   (05.10.10)
...thousands more will read his report now. And with every false accusations and bit of slander and character assassination millions more will read the report then ever before. Please keep up the irrational hatred and shooting of the messenger. As always, this has the effect of getting otherwise uninterested people VERY interested in seeing what the Goldstone Report actually says. There is a very good reason for these insane and counter-productive attacks on Richard Goldstone and articles like the above that point out the sheer stupidity of not paying attention to the contents of the actual report. Israel knows the report is true. So does anyone who has read the report and watched it unfold on live TV that Israel could not censor. Every denial makes the report that much more believable, after all, every word is true and a very bad reflection on just how bad things are in Israel today.
43. #36 Wake up call
Torgeir ,   Oslo   (05.10.10)
Norway an ally of nazi Germany during ww2? You must be joking. May 8th 1945 Germany had more than 400000 troops stationed on Norwegian soil. Some ally! As to Israel - South Africa: why was Nazi sympathiser and South African PM John Vorster feted by Rabin, Begin and Dayan (and others) while visiting Jerusalem in 1976? And what were Israeli "advisors" doing in Angola during the South African invasion there? "Brothers in Arms" has been used as a term for the Israeli-South African alliance. And all this dring the dark years of apartheid. Wake up!
44. Extremely accurate picture of Israelis and their apologists
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (05.10.10)
It wiould be funny if it weren't so sad. I have often wondered why 'who the messenger is' always trumps the message; especially in Israel. For many Israelis, as long as they can find fault with or smear the messenger, then the message is unimportant. Of course, this shows an absolute lack of any moral integrity or intellectual honesty, but that doesn't seem to faze them in the least. The first tactic used by Israelis is denial. They refuse to accept any facts not within their narrow 'intellectual' framework. When the facts prove too stubborn, the next avenue is to disparage the messenger. The messenger is labeled as 'leftist', or 'anitsemitic' or a 'self-hating Jew'. Therefore, reality doesn't matter. Finally, when all else fails they attempt a moral equivalence argument: "Well we might have done it but others have either 1) done the same thing or 2)done it worse". (Although they are extremely insulted when one points this out and continually deny any moral equivalence). The end result is that they fail to draw any lessons or realizations from the facts presented but instead irrationally hold on to their myths in the face of all reality. And then wonder why nobody else gives creedence to their opinions. Facts mean nothing. Morality means nothing. Intellectual honesty means nothing. Don't confuse them with reality for they do not wish to believe it. After all, the myth is far more comforting.
45. Goldstone lied about his past
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.10.10)
And now the leftists tell us to forget that he is a liar and just deal with his latest lies. I see a pattern here. He lied before and supported a racist apartheid regime. Now he is lying once again and supporting a racist apartheid regime that is even worse. Most of us do see the same pattern.
46. Goldstone is not a delivery boy. he is the pizza maker.
ygalg ,   israel   (05.10.10)
anyone heard a pizza named after the delivery Boy? it called Goldstone's report not for nothing. if the man we learned to be an arsonist. you don't give him the matches nor a lighter. accurate report??? are we to take your opinion as verification for facts Asaf?
47. Typical whining from my clone #44
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (05.11.10)
48. Bring him to Israel - try him for crimes against humanity
Mike ,   Oxford UK   (05.11.10)
Bring him to Israel and put him on trial for crimes against humanity
49. It at least casts doubt if he is trying to clear his name
Daniel   (05.12.10)
By damning Israel.
50. Goldstone’s Report
Mark Bernadiner ,   Pearland, TX   (05.13.10)
First of all, the report was pre-fabricated by UNHRC and Goldstone team: Goldstone, Hina Jilani and Desmond Travers signed a March 2009 letter initiated by Amnesty International , stating that “events in Gaza have shocked us to the core.” Similarly, in a letter to the Times (UK), member Christine Chinkin expressed her predetermined conclusion that “Israel’s bombardment of Gaza is not self-defence – it’s a war crime”. Moreover, before the Goldstone team started working, UNHRC Chair Navi Pillay said, that if Goldstone does not find evidences of Israel’s war crimes, we will send those who will. Secondly, no doubt that Goldstone’s investigation was under Hamas close supervision and tight control. There are mounting evidences from credible sources that must be anonymous due to death threat from Hamas as they are living in Gaza. No doubt that Richard Goldstone and his team perfectly understood the situation, but decided to go on with fake and Hamas-staged and controlled investigation. His report contradicts to previous complaints from Gaza residents on Hamas using civilians as human shield and civilian infrastructure for military purposes reported by Italian and other newspapers and UN officials. The report was pre-fabricated by UNHRC staff, including UNHRC Chair Navi Pillay, who are notorious pro-islamofascist orientation. This report is pre-meditated crime and these people must be treated as criminals. Such prefabricated approach makes all previous report questionable and it is very possible that innocent people have been wrongfully punished. An investigation on every team member, including UNHRC Chair Navi Pillay, is urgent. Obviously, UNHRC Chair Navi Pillay, Goldstone and his team are pathological liars and islamofascist prostitutes. Due to the severity of crime they committed, they must be put on trial and deserve a death penalty. Who Actually Committed War Crimes in Gaza “CNN: Hamas uses civilian infrastructure, including schools, houses, kindergarten facilities, hospitals, for storing and launching rockets and other ammunition, placing training camps inside populated areas in violation of Geneva Convention and international law. “ “Ms. Rice, The Secretary of State, told reporters at the State Department :… Hamas participates in activities like human shields and using buildings that are not designated as military buildings to hide their fighters" «Così i ragazzini di Hamas ci hanno utilizzato come bersagli» Abitanti di Gaza accusano i militanti islamici: «Ci impedivano di lasciare le case e da lì sparavano» Lorenzo Cremonesi, Corriere della Sera “Practically all of the tallest buildings in Gaza that were hit by Israeli bombs, like the Dogmoush, Andalous, Jawarah, Siussi, and many others, had rocket launching pads on their roofs, or were observation decks for the Hamas. They had also put them near the big UN warehouse, which went up in flames. The same goes for the villages in the valley along the border who were more devastated by the mad fury and punishment of the Zionist,” echoes his cousin Um Abdallah, 48. They use family nicknames, but they provide important circumstantial details. It was difficult to get these testimonials. In general, fear of Hamas prevails and the ideological alimentary taboos reign in this century of wars with the “Zionist enemy.” Terrorized people were obliged to protect Hamas men; they were kept prisoners in their homes, as human shields in schools, hospital, ambulances, etc.” EU aid chief: Hamas 'enormously responsible' for Gaza war “Michel echoed Israeli criticisms that Hamas used civilians as "human shields" by fighting in populated areas and, describing Hamas rocket fire on Israel as a "provocation", he said in English: "Hamas is acting in the way of a terrorist movement."
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