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Report: Holland's sympathy for Israel in decline
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 18.05.10, 08:42
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31. 28- USA is tired of Israel also
USA   (05.18.10)
USA is very sick and tired of having to support Israel . Believe me. The average American does not like what it is doing or what it stands for, nor that it takes our tax dollars.
32. If it weren't for the evacuation from Gaza
Liora   (05.18.10)
there would have been no "Cast Lead" operation! Back before that incredible historical blunder I used to tell everyone I came across that it was going to result in massive bloodshed, especially on the Palestinian side, but somehow nobody believed me. It was obvious from before the start that the direct result of the withdrawl of the IDF from Gaza would result, directly, in a wider range of Israeli cities getting showered on by more and deadlier rockets than ever. It was also blatently obvious that Israel wouldn't be able to just sit back and do nothing as cities with chimical plants in them get direct hits and would have to do something to put a stop to it - seeing as the IDF would no longer be present there and no longer able to conduct small-scale persutes of the terrorists responsible - the only options would be either A. a reinvasion or - B. one massive, bloody attack in an area which is now unfamiliar (which only means sloppier fighting with more civilian casualties). Just a little something to think about for those of you who are in favor of evacuation more settlments now.
33. The Israelo-Arab conflict
Ron B. ,   Lod   (05.18.10)
The Middle-East conflict is not just a regional conflict. We are all now in a much bigger game. All of us – the US, Israel and Europe are all conscripts in a war of ideas. If Israel, Heaven forbid, were to go down, then they would be next. But no one sees this. Israel doesn’t see this, preoccupied as it is with the military aspects of its struggle. Moreover, many people in the US and Europe sees Israel as the principle reason why the West is under attack – instead of, as it should – as the front line of the defense of the West as explained at : http://xrl.us/bjfox
34. No suprise here. EU=antisemitism+muslims=no love for Israel
the calculator   (05.18.10)
or jews for that matter.
35. Report: Holland's sympathy for Israel in decline
Roderick ,   The Netherlands   (05.18.10)
Don't worry Israel, The Netherlands will always support you, because we respect you as a independent state. The Netherlands and Israel will always have a close bond. Greets, from The Netherlands.
36. Strange article
peter ,   amsterdam NL   (05.18.10)
How did Ynet acquire this paper from the Dutch Foreign Ministry? A leak or an official release? Support for Israël in the Netherlands was strong from the 1950's till the 1970's for 2 reasons: the Zionist experiment & guilt for the 100.000 Dutch jews who where deported with the help of Dutch civil servants and collaborators. Since the 1980's support has gone down because of the politics of Israel, which means the Likud. In the 1990's there was some resurgence of support with Rabin. After he was murdered most people gave up on Israel. Even the 40.000 people strong Dutch jewish community is divided. Israel has some self reflexion to do instead of blaiming its problems on others. Which doesn't mean we like the Arabs or Islam, they're seen for what they are: an agressive lot that's difficult to deal with let alone integrate.
37. To: No. 31
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (05.18.10)
How do you like the fact that the three largest recipients of United States foreign aid are the Palestine Authority, Egypt and Jordan? I'm an American taxpayer. I pay more in taxes each year than you will earn in your lifetime. So shut up.
38. #21 - Sarah B and Singapore...
Erastus CoupeDeVille ,   Ong's Hat, NJ USA   (05.18.10)
"Disgusting and nasty little country. Do you REALLY think that anyone normal wants to associate themselves with you? "... Israel associated with Singapore when it sought foreign funding for R&D in it's "Iron Dome" anti-palestinian-bottle-rocket system. The deal fell through but the association is still intact. As to caning and hanging... it does keep the undesirable element under control.
39. Goverment Complicity
Sylvan Carr ,   New York, NY.USA   (05.18.10)
I can remember a heated debate on the BBC radio berween a Dutch rabbi and a protestant minister who supported the early release demanded by the Dutch government and parliament of the two imprisoned top perpertrators of the Shoa in Holland, on Christian compassionate grounds. The two mass murderers were released and sent home to Germany. So much for Dutch Justice.
40. Sarah #37
Resistor   (05.18.10)
Time to take your meds again, Sarah. You don't know how much #31 earns. How much does Y-Net pay you???
41. Sarah B
Gravity ,   uk   (05.18.10)
Tips must be generous in the states
42. To Dani, Peter and all other Duch writers
m   (05.18.10)
How many Jews were killed by the Nazis in Holland? Do you know? 80%, it was achieved with COLABORATION, and by the way bringing up Anne Frank is not very smart, she was killed after neighbours snitched, wasn't she? Even France had a lower procentage of Jewish destruction than Holland. Once I believed in all the crap how tolerant Holland saved Jews, until I started reading facts not propaganda.
43. Decline of feelings of guilt over the holocaust
Chris Linthwaite   (05.18.10)
is probably linked to the decline of the population who were alive at that point in history. It's not rocket science that a person born in the 1970's will have no feelings of guilt over the Holocaust as it finished thirty years before he was born. That is the problem Israel faces today, as stated by Noam Chomsky, and probably why he was not allowed entry into Palestine.
44. Ever Count The Number Of Burkahs Along The Canals?
David H ,   Marietta USA   (05.18.10)
Get used to it - Eurabia is reality, and getting worse. It won't change until the Christians rise up against the Muslim oppressors, as they did in France (in the 9th Century), so I'm not holding my breath. Funny how we Jews look askance at the Spanish Inquisition and driving the Jews out of Spain. True, it wasn't a great time for us, but in the bigger picture, we were the allies of the invading Muslims, and THEY are the real ones that the Spanish were expelling from their lands.
45. Hey "resistor"
Mongo ,   Paris   (05.18.10)
Sorry to spoil your non-sensical argument but Singapore bases it´s existence (surrounded by un-demoscratic Muslim states) on the Israeli model. Ask any Singaporean, their whole military was trained by Israelis. Must come as a shock to you. Want another shock? The Israeli developed Iron Dome missile defence system has the Singapore government as an investor. Why? Because they are also concerned about Muslim terrorists launching missles at civilians. Both nations are trying to defend their prosperous societies from penniless barbarians like yourself.
46. GEERT WILDERS FOR PM
Winko ,   Amsterdam   (05.18.10)
Things will change quickly in Europe. Geert Wilders will be the leader that will bring order to Eurabia
47. Are you mad, Frank?
Bas Haenraets ,   Netherlands   (05.18.10)
Of course the Dutch did not deport Jews to Auschwitz. The German occupying force did.
48. to (20) eporue europe
tiki ,   belgium   (05.18.10)
"It's disturbing that you get everything wrong, don't see reality and spread hatred". .... If someone 'doesn't see it and 'doesn't get it, it is people like you, without ANY knowledge of history, but being 'educated by the media. I follow Dutch/Belgium/French/GB media and see the "utter nonsense and biased bagger they sell to people who don't know any better. Further more, Israeli's see 'reality very clear and absolutely don't have the habit of spreading 'hatred. You are mistaken with Muslims who have 'hatred as their middlename. Please eporue, get educated by facts, not by fantasies and fearfull (therefore biased) media.
49. Sarah B. :
Wildmandxb ,   M.E.   (05.18.10)
Dear Sarah, you never fail to amaze us readers of ynet with your lousy TB's. Why do you have to act like a loser? Do you really wanna be associated with losers, although you are a Lawyer? If you have nothing solid/positive to say, why not be quiet and save yourself the shame...You said that Singapore is a disgusting little country, Really?!?! is that the best you got? Have you ever been to Singapore? I am betting you never been there, it's just that hating person in you talking. Singapore is the cleanest, most respectable country in the whole world! It sets an example for every country with its standards, with the impeccable system which it follows. I know what makes you hate anyone who is against israel, you did give us an insight on this previously but i won't mention it out of respect for you and your family, however, spare yourself the embarrassment, and stop commenting right, left and center about things you have no idea of. Thank you.
50. #42 Thanks, but..
Peter ,   Holland   (05.18.10)
So you want to compare me with people who lived 60 years ago? Thanks. Just because I know what happened in de WW2, i'm a though supporter of Jews and Israel a like. For what other reason would i visit a website of an israel newspaper?
51. For Sarah B.
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (05.18.10)
It must be terrible spouting blatant lies and expecting anyone to take your rants seriously. Israel is, far and away, the largest recipient of US foreign aid. And not only regulat foreign aid through normal legislative channels. There are also loans, the repayment for which are routinely forgiven by Congress. And the fact that donations to Israeli 'charities' funding illegal settlements in the West Bank in direct cointravention of stated US policy, are tax-deductible.
52. #45
Resistor   (05.18.10)
A penniliness babarian? If that is how you wish to think of me, so be it. Singapore is a peace loving nation, unlike the state of Israel, whose neighbours bear no grudges against it. Unless you can cite me some examples..................
53. SARAH B No. 21 WHY ARE YOU...
Edel ,   Israel   (05.18.10)
So filled with hate? How can you expect people to take you serious when you are so full of hate and bigotry?
54. High time for changes in Hasbarah approach
Flavio ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (05.18.10)
A deep change in the way hasbarah is made, both by civilian and military officers, is very long overdue. I take, as an example, what happens here in Brazil: our Jewish community provides most of the Hasbarah efforts and means in the media, in the universities etc etc. I'm no expert in the subject, but surely there's margin for substantial changes. As Diaspora communities decline both in numbers and in commitment toward Israel, the day will come in which Israelis will have to make their case without the leverage of the Jewish communities - and it will be even more difficult to do because of the relentless growth of Muslim communities both in Europe and in the Americas. It is high time for Israel to use our famed yiddish kop and to engage in a new and fresh way of making Hasbarah. It is a waste of money; on the contrary, it is simply essential for the country's standing in the medium- and long term.
55. :: Another whining posting from coward drunken sailor Miami
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (05.18.10)
Big Yawn!!!
56. Not too many Jews are dying these days in Israel
USA   (05.18.10)
World sympathy will decline when Jews aren't dying in great numbers. Another Holocaust of the Jewish people and guranteed you will be showered with sympathy and many museums around the world exibiting the destruction of your people. A PM of a nation might even shed a tear or two.
57. Singapore & Israel are close friends and allies
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (05.18.10)
Who share much in common, including fear from their crazy Muslim neighbors who wish to conquer them, and therefore both develop mighty and deterring defenses. It is no secret that Singapore and Israel have many joint defense projects together. Anyway, I seriously doubt #5 is a true Singaporean, maybe some Muslim immigrant there trying to stir provocation.
58. Peter from Holland
m   (05.18.10)
I'm sorry for you but it's reality, I'm sure there are Dutch supporters of Israel and you may be one, but your country was trying to paint itself in a complete false light since the liberation. I also appreciate that 500 years ago Holland received the fleeting conversos from Spanish inquisition. So you see what happened 500 years ago, didn't 70 years ago and I'm not blaming you personally, but try to open your eyes.
59. #51
Yaron ,   USA   (05.18.10)
Where were your facts derived from? Your continuous posts are both vod of fact and simply demonstrate your overt ignorance on the subject. You would be better served posting that you hate Israel and Jews.....or something like that then the usual drivel we have become accustomed to.
60. #12
Harold ,   NY, USA   (05.18.10)
President Obama opened a PANDORA BOX and the world wolk up and saw what Israel is doing for the last 62 years especially after operation cast lead. All US presidents from Reagan to George W. Bush were blinded by AIPAC and other Lobbyists.
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