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Researchers locate Jewish genetic linkage
Dudi Goldman
Published: 09.06.10, 09:45
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1. tell that to Tali pahima, she can convert
ghostq   (06.09.10)
but genetic wise she still belong to jacob aka Israel blood line.
2. Whoever would now jump in joy because of this - DON'T!
John ,   Europe   (06.09.10)
This study is DANGEROUS because it can be good basis for racism! Above all: maintain that Jews first were SET OF TRIBES, and now are NATION. And as a NATION, it can adopt people, can remove individuals from it etc! This is the very basis of our survival, to reduce it to genetics is to succumb to racism!
3. are you nuts?
zooz ,   jerusalem   (06.09.10)
personal belifes and religous belifes has nothing to do with biologey , you can coduct the same test on moslems and crestians and still find the same linkage beacuse obviously the jewish religion is the oldest religion while crestians and moslims they were at least most of them jews if not all of them , even more all of us share the origions from abraham so the research brings nothing new
4. converts don't have this, do they?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (06.09.10)
when they 'become jewish' is their genetic makeup altered?
5. Scientology campaign targeting Jews embarrassing
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah, Efraim,   (06.09.10)
6. Jewish genetic
Harry ,   iSRAEL   (06.09.10)
Great!!! Does that mean we have a way of identifying the "mixed multitudes" among us?
7. Researchers locate Jewish genetic linkage
Ifti ,   India   (06.09.10)
95% of world Jews are not even Semites, but Turkic Khazars (or Ashkenazis) who migrated from Birobidjan in E. Siberia to Khazaria between the Black & Caspian Seas. Trapped between expanding Islam & Christianity, they converted to Talmudic Judaism around 750AD then migrated to Poland They have NO biblical claim to Palestinian land, but the Jewish Republic of Birobidjan WAS established for them in1934 & still offers them a right of return. Google 'Arthur Koes.
8. #5 Ariel could there now be a cure
Avi ,   Israel   (06.09.10)
For religious fanatics ? Lets hope so
9. #3 Wrong zooz.
Keren ,   IL-BR   (06.09.10)
"all of us "*do not share* the origins of Abraham. Only Jews and Arabs do,being Jews from the lineage of Abraham ,Isaak and Jacob and Arabs only from Abraham. All of us share though the origins of Adam.Now it is correct.
10. Researchers? Study Reveals that "researchers" are Israelis
Jazz   (06.09.10)
11. to #2 relax y r you so upsset
ghostq   (06.09.10)
this resurch just came to prove the world jews r not idiology, or somthing imaginary, just prof for the bible story. it doesn't mean that foreners won't be welcom, it was done in the past, Israel even gave forieners place of honor among them, so this is just to give the arab world the finger.
12. to #3 not nuts the truth, jews around the world cam from
ghostq   (06.09.10)
the same ansestor, as for chritians, I doubt that nord country chritians r the same as south amerika chritians. as for chritians, the first chritians were jews true but as for Muslims, very unlikely, even though arabs r cousins to Jews from Shem blood line it is common mistake to claim arabs came from abram, arabs r semetic but Abraham blood line got nothing to do with them.
13. Does this apply to maternal line also?
R ,   Israel   (06.09.10)
If not, then this is not news, it's been known since the 90s.
14. scientists say one's genes can change.
ArtistPoet ,   New York   (06.09.10)
According to Judaism, one's "spiritual genes" can change depending on one's behavior in spiritual areas, and these newly altered spiritual genes are what one passes down to new children. Similarly, many scientists now believe that regular genes are flexible and do alter according to behavior. So if there are behaviors or religious routines that are responsible for creating the Jewish component of this Jewish genetic make up, maybe a convert would acquire it.
15. Thoughts
Arrow   (06.09.10)
According to Bible, we are all descendants of Adam. After flood, there were Noah, his sons and their wives. Seems that was a point where genetic variety started. That was also the point when people started to eat meat. Climate and tectonic changes affected the way of life as well as appearance of men. Following the Noah's son Sam and his offspring, we came to Abraham, where promise and faith beat biology and genetics. "All peoples on earth will be blessed through you" - G-d's promise to those who believe.
16. Whatever our genes, we are all sons of Abraham
Salma ,   Palestine   (06.09.10)
17. some remaining questions
Mr Palestine ,   Palestine   (06.09.10)
whats about arabs and jews?? some data suggest a close genetic link with divergence less than 2500 yrs ago. the study is making a generalisation but are there subgroups of european jews who are genetically different from what one would regard as authentic jews such as oriental jews?? What about the future?? with a very high rate of mixed marriage between jews and others races in the west, jewish genes are becoming very diluted. what about parenteral DNA? more answers are needed. but, in general, what advantage would u get by conserving ur genes?? biologically it is better to mix ur geness with those of other races
18. #11ghostq:In this one you are very correct!
Keren ,   IL-BR   (06.09.10)
19. to #16 not really arabs r not from abram
ghostq   (06.09.10)
arabs r from shem more earlier ancestor.
20. That is so amazing
Susan ,   Kfar Saba   (06.09.10)
Sometimes I see people here who resemble Jews I knew in the US. I have also been told I look like someone I don't even know. Small gene pool.
21. #16 I finally agree with Salma!
Daweed ,   Saana   (06.09.10)
22. #17 Mr. Palestine
Daweed ,   Saana   (06.09.10)
I can't cite the source, but I do recall a previous study that said the same as this study (Polish Jews more related to mizrahi Jews that Poles, etc.) that also said the group Jews were closest to genetically were Palestine Arabs. Jews and Arabs need to recognize that we are cousins; and we need to treat each other like family. Imagine a confederation of Israel, West Bank/Gaza, and Jordan where each maintains their identity, but we cooperate economically, socially, etc. and respect each other without denying each others history.
23. To #7: The study confirmed no vast Khazar influence
Mar   (06.09.10)
Here is a direct quote from page 8 this study "The Children of Abraham in the Genome Era" in the Discussion part: "Admixture with local populations, including Khazars and Slavs, may have occurred subsequently during the 1000 year (2nd millennium) history of the European Jews. Based on analysis of Y chromosomal polymorphisms, Hammer estimated that the rate might have been as high as 0.5% per generation or 12.5% cumulatively (a figure derived from Motulsky), although this calculation might have underestimated the influx of European Y chromosomes during the initial formation of European Jewry. Notably, up to 50% of Ashkenazi Jewish Y chromosomal haplogroups (E3b, G, J1, and Q) are of Middle Eastern origin, whereas the other prevalent haplogroups (J2, R1a1, R1b) may be representative of the early European admixture. The 7.5% prevalence of the R1a1 haplogroup among Ashkenazi Jews has been interpreted as a possible marker for Slavic or Khazar admixture because this haplogroup is very common among Ukrainians (where it was thought to have originated), Russians, and Sorbs, as well as among Central Asian populations, although the admixture may have occurred with Ukrainians, Poles, or Russians, rather than Khazars."
24. #19 No, ghostq, arabs are sons of Uncle Sam :)
Salma ,   Palestine   (06.09.10)
25. yay, another way to divide ourselves
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.09.10)
26. # 7
Miriam ,   Miami, USa   (06.09.10)
95% of the world Jews are not even Semites. Interesting, what of the Yemenite Jews, the Persian Jews, the Syrian Jews, the Iraqi Jews, the Egyptian Jews and the Moroccan Jews, Libyan Jews, Algerian Jews and the rest of the Jews from the East they they convert from the Khazars? That would be interesting news to the Yemenite Jews, since they have been in Yemen since the time of King Solomon, and the Iraq Jews they have been there since the time of the destruction of the first temple in Jerusalem Oh yes and the Jews of India almost for got about them, they came to India in the 2nd Century, BCE Mr. India please study History, and you will learn some very wonderful and interesting history about the Jews, not this idiotic stuff you wrote
27. To laugh and to cry
Anna ,   Montreal, Canada   (06.09.10)
Mike, #4, I like you sense of humor. lifti, #7, Khazars were completely destroyed and extincted as a nation. The Jews of Ukraine, Poland and Belarus mostly having German or Jewish sound family names, or their family names were changed to sound like natives. In most cases it is quiet easy to recognize the difference for the knowledgeable person. There were not too many Jews moved with Stalin's offer to Birobidjan. But there were many Ukrainians and Russians who moved there following Jews. I read couple years ago this sorts of disinformation about Khasars from Arab professor and from some Russian historian. I came from this area and I can tell you all natives know very well who is a Jew by the very distinct facial and body differences. And I also met in my life some Europeans who recognized me as a Jew without me being introduced to them. It happens with German Tourists in FSU and it happened in Canada.( I wonder: WHY) You don't know enough to write about it.
28. 7#,India,are you ever confused
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (06.09.10)
50% of the Jews in Israel come from Arab countries(Sephardic). They have no ancestry with these Khazars. And even of the Ashkenazi Jews only a small percentage are descended from Khazars. Israel is the Jewish homeland!
29. to #24 not uncle sam, more like uncle samir
ghostq   (06.09.10)
30. to #23 :P you also copy paste from the same wrong source
ghostq   (06.09.10)
kazahrz r not jews they r nomadic asian not even related to judaism and not from the continent, sheesh Muslims realy have bad translation. hint you probably should look under Aschkenaz jews.
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