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We’re not going anywhere
Sara K. Eisen
Published: 09.06.10, 17:33
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61. To thine own self be true
RJD ,   NYC   (06.10.10)
Recognize that the only beneficiaries of the zenophobia espoused in this article will be the owners of munitions factories, and if you're reading this, you're not likely one of them. In the end you know your neighbours want the same things as you. Despite their call for 'justice', they actually would lay down their arms for a stable family, gainful livelihood, opportunity, creature comforts, a 'middle class' life. Any attempt to represent them as maniacal terrorists is playing on fear and inciting racism. Demand that your government be reasonable to your neighbours. Sending them back into squalour by destroying their infrastructure or breaking their family bonds only will prolong your problems. You know this. You know that there can be no peace unless there is equal opportunity and equal rights. Accept that, as the more powerful party, you must provide much of this. As a culture that has historically suffered at the hands of hatred, you must honour your ancestors by confronting the racism and hatred in the world, not by creating it. Imagine that five years from now this strife was all a thing of the past. This could be your legacy, and what could be a greater gift for your children, and your children's children? Remember the legacy you are building and be true to yourself.
62. Well written
michael ,   Sydney ,Australia   (06.10.10)
Those who oppose that we at last got back to ownership of our Israel just have a look at the european history with millions of Poles / Russians / Germans moved around as a result of WWII and all of them settled and living their lives. There is no democracy in arab countries and no culture of accepting changes or helping the "suffering " Palestinian brothers. That is why Poland / Germany will prosper and the Palestinians with their mega reach brothers suffering. It is political and cultural . They have to change set of mind on both
63. why pals should pay for jews problems ??
Jalal ,   Gaza   (06.10.10)
we donnt have any problems with jews actually we r near to jews and we donnt like hitler for his actions against jews but really why did jews killed my grandpa and take his land which i still have it's legal contracts
64. HOLD ON Arabi ibn Arabi , the Arab LAND !
Me ibn me, earth   (06.10.10)
You’re talking about ancient Europeans as you are their descendant!! Father Ibrahim and his offspring weren’t Blondiny or speak English. The Arabs of Europe are not ethnically Europeans? they are Arabs who are slowly shutting everyones freedom of speech and movement. you are far different from other Europeans culturally, linguistically (arabic), and even religiously. also look at your features!! you look more middle eastern than some British, French or Germen people! that’s why the Europeans and Americans are getting tired of you.. so go home and live with your people. you must understand that you never ever will fit among us the european people. the only way you are among us is by force..one day you will lose that power…guess the rest!! Btw it’s not Muslim vs. Europeans because history witness how real europeans enjoyed living among Muslim (their heritage and the pureness of their belief was preserved under the Muslims until the European involvement in the Middle East) Europeans know the truth and they stick to their european heritage and customs. they are the one who are really deserve their own state among the Arabs
65. hire a fact checker
KJ ,   Soviet Canuckistan   (06.10.10)
You're glossing over a lot of known recorded history in an unfair fashion. I'm not supporting Mrs Thomas' idiotic statement but that doesn't mean you can go traipsing through the history of Israel and give it "your version"
66. Please, YNET, no more on this horse
Cameron ,   USA   (06.10.10)
That face is hurtin' on me.
67. Obama, found her words "offensive", but refused to condemn
Avigdor Ezrahi ,   Israel   (06.10.10)
the contents, as she did. This says a lot about the two who have developed a mutual admiration society which justifies, despite all the charming offensives, expelling Jews only because they are Jewish and limiting the living space on earth of members of this people, in short, anti-Jewish racism.
68. Obama vs. Thomas: There is no such thing since he is in
Dan   (06.10.10)
full agreement with her. He would simply not utter her nonsense at this point because he still needs the Jews.
69. response to no 54
Carmen   (06.10.10)
The one and only true God will protect his chosen people and the only ones to leave Isreal will be you. The whole world will come against them and guess what they will be protected.
70. to # 47 Mikesailor ,Miami, FL
Arabi ibn Arabi ,   the Arab land   (06.10.10)
You forgot that the land you’re talking about is Semitic in origin. Arab of today are combinations of all ancient Semitic people including some Jewish who convert to Islam. If you’re a real Jew the land of your forefather is Ur (in Iraq) and don’t tell me that God gave you Canaan! According to who.. the Torah? Neither the Torah is legal document that we can go to court and claim something nor the Quran is. If you study history which I assume you did not, all Semitic groups are from the Arabian Peninsula. They migrated to the land (Canaan, Phoenicia, Mesopotamia etc). the Semitic group that remind in Arabia renamed themselves Arab. The Arab who you said came from Arabia and reclaim Jerusalem and other Semitic land from the Byzantine and Persians are the descendant of Ishmael. As you may know Ishmael’s father from Mesopotamia and his mother is Egyptian-Canaanite. So the conquered land you’re talking about belongs to Semitic people which are represented in Arabs of today. Ancient Jews never looked blond or have different complexion other then looking like other Semitic groups. You can find that in many historical records and also in the Torah. So don’t try to hide the evidence that most so called Jews of today have nothing in common with ancient Hebrews only Mazrahi which they adopted many Arabic customs. And Yes I have all rights and business to talk about who is the Jews as long my Land is occupied by you. when you leave, I will never waste my time mentioning you or your Zionist history. you will leave our land oneday soon!!
71. to the departing witch of the White house
joe   (06.10.10)
Yes Salma of palestine # 4. We know that Helen Thomas is not alone. You, your god, hezbollah's Hussein Moussawi poured into the same mold ( a defective one at that ) are in the same league. If Satan in person appeared and uttered the same words she did in allah's name, you would salute him as well. It's all in the family, your upbringing and your "Tom Mix" on his white winged horse fairy tale.
72. #45: Have you heard of the genetic research
Vardina   (06.10.10)
which proves genetic link among all Jews? But explaining anything that is related to education, culture and science to a fanatic Muslim is of no use. Anyway, we are going to stay here and you may go on with your empty babbles.
73. 35 from miami-are you talking about the americans?
free america   (06.10.10)
anywhere else be able to move onto land, belonging to others for centuries, and immediately be given the right to brutalize and occupy the indigenous natives?
74. to all those claiming we are not semites
Israeli   (06.10.10)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/landmark-genetic-study-proves-there-is-indeed-a-jewish-people-1.295231
75. response to Arabi ibn Arabi
Jew   (06.10.10)
• In the early days of Islam, even before the Islamic Hijra date began, Arabs say that God sent Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem by a camel which can leap as far as it can see. In few minutes, at night, Prophet Muhammad arrived to Jerusalem whereas he was beamed up to the seventh heaven from the rock in Jerusalem to meet God for a mission. • This story was narrated briefly in Koran. It says: “Sobhan allazi asra biaabdihi laylan minna almasjid alharam ila al-masjidi Al-aqsa allazi barakna howlaho” which means: “praised he who took his slave at night from Mecca to “Almasjid Al-aqsa” whom we have blessed all around it.” Al-masjid is a word in Arabic which currently means mosque. It did not mean that in those times. At that time there were no Muslims in Jerusalem and Byzantines were ruling the city. “Almasjid Al-aqsa” referred to the holy place at that time which was a worshipping place for Jews. • The Koran named the holy place of Jews as “Masjed Al-aqsa”. It was not a mosque in those days and it took decades later for Arabs to conquer the city and the current Al-Aqsa Mosque was built in year 69 Hijra decades after the Quran called the holy site of Jews “ Masjed Al-Aqsa”. • God, through the Koran, ordered Muslims to face Jerusalem in the beginning while praying. Later, he ordered them to face Mecca while praying. There were no Muslims in Jerusalem at those times. Therefore we can say, technically and logically that God respected the holy site of Jews as it was but Muslims disobeyed God by changing the status of the holy place from a place holy to Jews to a place holy to Muslims. We can argue too, that the Koran, by this statement and by logic is the first written document proving the right of Jews to claim Jerusalem as their holy place. • When Prophet Muhammad set his armies to conquer surrounding countries he gave them instructions: not to kill a child, not to kill a prisoner, not to kill an old man, not to prohibit a worshipper from praying, not to destroy a praying ground. Muslims violated orders of the Prophet by changing the status of temple mount.
76. All true and a good article - but our case is weakened
Yossi   (06.10.10)
It is weakened by the diaspora Jews!! Until they realize that we have completed a reversal of the transformation from "Israel" to "Jews" [= exilees from Judea]. We are now Israel, not Jews, and we have a home. The diaspora communities will have to decide whether they become Israel or opt out of Judaism, Of course, this historical process is exactly what is going on today. But until it is completed, the diaspora Jews will keep presenting an "example" that Jews can live in diaspora and undermine our case for Israel.
77. Everyone is making this very complicated . . .
Aharon ,   USA (for now)   (06.10.10)
You guys are all making this whole "whose land is it" thing way too complicated. Let's just simplify it real easy-like. Lev 25:23 - (The Almighty speaking) 'The land (Canaan) shall not be sold in perpetuity, for . . .wait for it . . . THE LAND IS MINE. FOR YOU ARE STRANGERS AND SOJOURNERS WITH ME' So if the land is HaShem's he give it to whoever he wants. Now who did he give it to? . . . oh yes, I remember, "And Jacob said to Joseph, 'God Almighty appeared to me at Luz in the land of Canaan and blessed me, and said to me, ‘Behold, I will make you fruitful and multiply you, and I will make of you a company of peoples and will give this land to your offspring after you for an everlasting possession.’ (Gen 48:3-4). So the way The Almighty sees it, Helen and anyone agreeing with her, Arabs (and any others who are not sojourners with Israel and her God) need to get the hell out of ISRAEL (not Palestine).
78. Mikesailor #35 mind your own affairs
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (06.10.10)
We as a sovereign nation are allowed by international law to determine who can and who cannot enter our country. We do not tell America what their immigration policies should be, nor should any Americans tell us. Our solution is simple - follow international laws. Illegal squatters have to leave. The Arabs have 99.93% of the Middle East and 78% of our lands already - they can go there. Real simple, real legal too.
79. to# 63, when there is true peace , i will fight for u.
Gabriel   (06.10.10)
for your infos as well, many jews in Israel are in the same plight you are in. some Jews still have some sort of legal documents of some land where now arabs live. remember though, the arab league declared war on Israel and lost, until a comprehensive peace is attained , everyone in legal limbo needs to wait for a solution. In any case i do believe that you are entitled to some restitution, and as a jew, I would actually support your case within the legality of the claim.
80. #77-Aharon, what about the people in the land before Jacob?
lara ,   Australia   (06.10.10)
81. To #75 Jew nice try to twist history!!!
Arabi Ibn Arabi ,   the Arab land   (06.10.10)
First he (pbuh) didn’t go to Jerusalem by camel. The 3 letters root of the word Masjied means to bow down in Arabic. In other word it is a place of worship where God(s) can be worshiped. Everywhere in earth is considered Masjid. Christians worshiped God near the place where the prophet went to heaven. there wasn’t any Jewish temple over there, so I can’t assume they were Jews worshiping God over there. Now in Arabic Aqasa means far; therefore, al masjid Alaqsa means the far worshiping place! worshiping who? the same God of Christians, Jews, Muslims and the entire world. God change the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca to reclaim Mecca as his holy house from the pagans not because he respected Jews. God doesn’t need to respect nobody. God almighty is the one to be respected. Now according to you and your history the second temple was destroyed by Romans but not Muslim. When Muslim took Jerusalem back from the byzantine there wasn’t any Jewish temple but the large rock was there. Since the Muslim who conquered Jerusalem are Ishmaelite, to them the rock is where their grandfather Ibrahim was going to scarify Ishmael..so it holy to them. Even if you say it wasn’t Ishmael but was Isaac that’s what you belief which is fine. my argument is this Semitic Ishmaelite Arab Muslims reclaim a Semitic land from a foreign European power and kept it holy and protected throughout the history. many attempts by European to take Jerusalem but Muslim and Christian Arabs fought aside and protected Jerusalem..where is the Jews from that? Hundreds of thousands of Arab died to protect Jerusalem and they are still doing so until today.
82. To #64 the smart “me ibn me earth”
Arabi ibn Arabi ,   the Arab land   (06.10.10)
The reasons why Arab-Muslim are in Europe goes back to the crimes European colonist did to the entire world and particularly our Arab land; its bloody effect still exist until today. you think it’s easy for Arabs to leave their home and migrate to foreign land? you came to us first but unlike us, you came killing us, aiming to steal our wealth, and destroy our culture using your weapons and your puppet (Arab dictators). Arabs came to you running from their misery cussed by you! Let’s have a deal if you’re an honest brave European leave our land (your Army and your support to these dictators) and stop taking our oil; therefore, Arab will leave Europe and be happy to return home. Can you do that? no you can’t because you think you’re superior then non-European and earth only belongs to you. Muslim didn’t start WW1 and WW2 or cowardly killed millions in camps. Hitler and Mussolini weren’t Muslim if I’m not mistaking. Muslim did not invent nuclear arms to wipe millions of human in minutes. Ironically European freedom of speech and movements you’re talking about can only be applied against Muslim but when it comes to Jews or immoral people, it’s called hate crime and intolerance. Let me ask you this.. why Europeans today care about Jews and their history is full of hate and murder of Christian and Jewish European (not include other nations)? Don’t tell me they feel guilty about the holocaust …shame on you!
83. get out
leib ,   madison wisconsin us   (06.10.10)
Sara: you forget that when the Crusaders were killing us in Europe they also besieged us alongside the Muslims in Haifa and Jerusalem. And after the Crusaders were kicked out we returned to the old City stayed there until the Jordanians kicked us out in the 48 war. And the Jews of Arab lands predating Islam by a millenium kicked out in 48 onward. And the Jews who returned after exile from Spain to eretz Yisrael and the Jews who were there when Mohamud's forces conquered Palestine and who never left. And the Jews of Hebron massacred as you noted in 1929 who lived there before Herzl's dream. Jews are indigenous people of Palestine not just wanderers who came back. And Arabs/Muslims have been there a long time but many came later; Egyptians in 1830, Bosnians and Chechans at end of 19th century and start of 20th and perhaps 100,000 Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Transjordan who moved into Palestine while the Yishuv was developing industry and agriculture inn the 20s 30s and 40s.
84. Helen Thomas
Mark Spark ,   Toronto   (06.11.10)
Why can't we all live with the 23 state solution? 22 Arab countries and one tiny sliver of democracy called Israel. Why are the Arabs so greedy. Oh ... and thanks for inventing algebra.
85. #84 - becaust they're not states
lara ,   Australia   (06.11.10)
They're countries governed independantly. With their own military, laws and leaders. It's not like the U.S where there is 1 President. They're different races. A Lebanese person, for example is not an Jordanian, they're Lebanese. Just because we speak the same or a similar language does not make us the same people. If we were all the same nationality, you would have "22 states" as you like to call them, all with 1 military made up of millions of people and Israel would have been destroyed long ago.
86. Ms Sara K. Eisen
aaron levy ,   mt Vernon, NY USA   (06.11.10)
Ms Eisen's letter to Ms Helen Thomas is right on target and excellent. Please her letter needs to be sent to Helen Thomas to read.
87. good
mary ,   philippin   (06.11.10)
yahmara ya old woman thomas your not reading the bible
88. Get the Hell Out of Your Excuses Mentality
Zeinab Bailoun ,   Beirut, Lebanon   (06.12.10)
The world doesn't care whether you're tired of moving or not. Being "sick of moving all the time" doesn't give you an excuse to kill innocent civilians, take other peoples' land, and essentially base a state on no legal, logical, or moral foundation but instead on a biblical story and the guilt of certain countries over the Holocaust. Sure, we Arabs welcome you into our homes, but what thanks is it we get when you turn on us, ethnically cleanse us, take over our lands, and found a state in the land our forefathers have farmed for generations? And of course you can't justify one crime by using another's similarity as an excuse. The "Arab desire to kick the Jews the hell out of Palestine" did come before 1948, I agree - not because the Jews "arrived and started to make the land flower and produce crops" (by the way, the Palestinians were an agricultural people long before any European Jews arrived), but rather because the Jews were immigrating in mass proportions with the clear intention of taking over and creating their own state, obvious since before 1917 with the Balfour Declaration and the Hussein-McMahon correspondence among other things. It is not the Jewishness of the Jews that created the animosity between them and the Arabs; rather, it was the plans the Jews had in mind, that history has seen executed. In fact, we've seen many Jews stand against the Israeli entity in their belief that it is against the very core of Judaism. Unfortunately, Helen did end up getting the hell out of the White House. It was because what we call freedom of speech and expression applies to Israel and its supporters, but not those who dare stand against its Zionist, racist, apartheid regime. Maybe tomorrow we'll wake up to a better, freer world, where we can criticize anything and everything for the sake of progress, but then again maybe we won't.
89. to 87
,,,,   (06.13.10)
karkoobeh knows better than you that the earth is larger than any one mind and freedom is larger than the earth ..god say my earth is large to go any where and say you can not go out of the dimentions of the earth and sky only if you have the might of laws ..this is in my grat bible ..kuran
90. Helem Thomas was 100% right
Bro ,   Canada   (06.13.10)
It takes a very brave person as Helen to speak up the truth. It seems American say the truth only they are old or when they feel they have nothing to lose. Jimmy Carter has said the same as many after they have left office. APAC loby is way too strong for anybody to face. God of Abrahim is a lot stronger and justice always prevail at the end.
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