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Turkish doctor who treated soldiers says more humane
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Published: 10.06.10, 08:29
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1. Balance
Karin Kloosterman ,   Jaffa, Israel   (06.10.10)
A balanced article would offer an interview with the soldiers, and their Israeli doctors. Clearly the Turkish doctor wants to defend his people; making this story more like a gossip piece than reported news.
2. So what does that make us ?
Andi ,   Israel   (06.10.10)
Pleased to see that there were some humane travellers on the ship, if not all of them. Israel transferred dozens of injured to Israel hopsitals by helicopter, some undergoing complex surgery, all free of charge, paid for by the Israeli tax payer. What does that make Israelis, dear Doctor?
3. Turkish "truth"......
Vardina   (06.10.10)
4. They planned to keep them alive as hostages
Nikki ,   Tel Aviv   (06.10.10)
They didnt' plan to kill them. Dead hostages aren't worth much. they planned to take the soldiers hostage and use them as bargaining chips to be allowed into Gaza, where they would unload their weapons, mortars, and rocket launchers to Hamas.
5. The Good Doctor Is LYING
Stan ,   Johannesburg RSA   (06.10.10)
Sorry Herr Doctor but you are lying as your words contradict the evidence:. 1. There are 2 Israeli soldiers still in hospital in critical condition with deep stab wounds - not superficial ones like you claim. 2. A kidnapped Israeli soldier is worth a hundred dead ones to a Jihadist (like yourself). Take Gilad Shalit for example. 3. The Jihadists only suffered casualties AFTER the Israelis started shooting which was AFTER the lynchmob first pounded and then kidnapped the first group of soldiers who landed on deck with pop-guns. The overwhelming force used by the Jihad lynchmob ensured that they suffered no casualties iwhile the Israelis used pop-guns. Your version of the time-line just doesn't make sense. 4. There are no pictures to back up the fact that there were dead and wounded Jihadists laying all around while you treated Israeli soldiers. You should be ashamed of yourself to lie like this. You are a disgrace to the medical profession (oops you are not a practicing doctor - but a Jihadi).
6. superficial? there is soldier in critical condition
ghostq   (06.10.10)
after Turk smashed the soldier skul with hammer, besides what he was doing there in the first place the Turks brought pramedic cause they knew from advace there will be blood shede, sound like when he signed Hipocrates oath he didn't bother to read the tearms.
7. The good doctor
Shaul R ,   USA   (06.10.10)
By all accounts, the majority of the passengers were herded below decks by the IHH enforcers and did not harbor any violent intentions towards the Israelis. The fighting was carried out by the IHH enforcers, who boarded the ship separately, spent most of the voyage sequestered from the rest, were equipped with Kevlar vests and gas masks, and armed with knives and pieces of steel railing. The good doctor can hardly speak for their intentions and his speculations appear to contradict the evidence. It is quite disingenuous of the doctor to state that the wounded soldiers were brought below for medical treatment. They had a much better chance of receiving it by remaining on deck and being picked up by their comrades and airlifted to a hospital. In fact, the reports indicate that the soldiers were being held below decks by "a human shield of about 20 people armed with pipes" while negotiations took place to render medical assistance to the wounded Marmara passengers. The fact that he treated the wounded soldiers only proves that he followed the Hippocratic oath. Are we supposed to be grateful to him that he did not personally slit their throats? By the same token, it can be said that the fact that all of the Marmara wounded were treated by Israeli medics proves that Israelis had no intention of shooting them.
8. re: # 2
Ray ,   Lebanon   (06.10.10)
You shoot someone, hurt them, kill them then take them to the hospital....it doesn't make you any less of an animal my man...anyway...your days are growing shorter...I advice you guys pack and get the hell out soon
9. A nice piece of propaganda - first, beat them with iron
miri ,   israel   (06.10.10)
bars, heavy metal chains and whatever - then treat them humanely ??!!!
10. IGNORANT FOOLISH IDIOT !!!.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (06.10.10)
IF I COME AGINST YOU, WITH A LETHAL OR DEADLY WEAPON IN HAND, A WEAPON I CAN MURDER AND KILL WITH, DO YOU SUGGEST THAT, YOU WOULD WAIT TO SEE IF I WILL MURDER OR KILL YOU WITH THAT WEAPON, OR ONLY HURT YOU LIGHTLY , BEFORE YOU WILL RESORT TO DEADLY FORCE, TO PROTECT YOURSELF ???. AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN, IF THOSE SHOT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SHOT, IF THEY WOULD HAVE MURDERED OR KILLED ANYBODY, OF THE ISRAELI SOLDIERS. That picture shows the difference between the Israelis and us," he said. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND THEM IS, YOUR IGNORANT FOOLISHNESS, IDIOCY AND STUPIDITY. Arn.
11. hamas and hisb'allah also treat their victims
uli ,   israel   (06.10.10)
just that they stay alive and give a higher price in hostage bargaining. these terrorists did the same. they kidnapped them and then started to bargain and actually their aim was to bring the captured soldiers to hamas in gasa and in few hours they would have done it. thank god our soldiers did this not let to happen!
12. ynet love all this as usual
ynets tricks   (06.10.10)
to lower our morale
13. So there was help on the Love Boat.
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14. # 1, 2 & 3 - You should learn the meaning of "humane"
lara ,   Australia   (06.10.10)
#1 - "Balance" As stated in the article regarding the flotillas investigation, Israel has stated that it will conduct it's own investigation after the refusal of UN and Human Rights decision for an international Investigation. Israeli government also said the soldiers will not be questioned under any circumstance. & If you can't disprove the claims with substantiated evidence, then the claims stand. #2 - "So what does that make us?" Israel was obligated to treat the victims of IDF fire to avoid futher international condemnation. The Turkish doctor on board had no obligation to treat the soldiers. #4 - "They planned to keep them alive as hostages" The didnt have weapons, mortars and rocket launchers to unload, so your false accusations are hateful lies.
15. Something doesn't add up
Ilan ,   Ariel   (06.10.10)
Some of the Israeli soldiers are still in the hospital and one had critical injuries when he came in. How does that match this 'testimony' of this doctor? It follows that hitting someone with metal poles and baseball bats and stabbing them with knives will cause much more than 'superficial' wounds. Also the timeline is completely backwards. The IDF didn't fire until they had to rescue the soldiers taken below decks.
16. A picture is worth 1000 words
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples' Fron   (06.10.10)
Duh? Look at the videos of the event. It certainly looks to my grade school age kids like these guys were actually trying to kill the soldiers. Does this doctor expect us to believe that the "activist" on the boat who stabbed the IDF soldier in the back with a large knife was NOT trying to kill him? Where did this MD go school? The Chelm of Turkey? And, of course, the knifing attack was filmed by Turkish TV, not the IDF. The IDF films simply show the "activists" beating the crap out of the soldiers with metal bars. Duh...? The doctor might have had good intentions, but the pictures don't lie - the "activists" were out to kill and/or kidnap the soldiers.
17. To #2-poor chap
Andi ,   Israel   (06.10.10)
At least our peace movement doesn't go to "peace" demonstrations armed with knives. The whole world saw your lies on the video. Who are you trying to kid? And at least my whole country isn't being held ransom by suicidal shiite suicide attackers, who's leader is still celebrating his "great victory" form a bunker. Clearly you enjoy being in thjis sitaution that you can't even recognise the hole you are in. Even your "peace" supporters look for blood.
18. to # 8 RAY
david ,   Herzlia,Israel   (06.10.10)
since 1947 the arab countries have been trying - unsuccesfully I may add- to destroy Israel and throw the Jews to the sea, The Mufti failed before 1947 and from 1947: Jordan,Syria,Lebanon,Egypt failed even with the help of Irak,Saudia Moroccan and other helpers. Forget it Ray, they will not succed, and instead of making peace you people seem to love blood, just for one minute use your brain to think ( that is what the purpose of your brain..think!) what would have happened if in 1947 Palestinian would have accepted the Partition plan !!, they would have been independent since 1947 in a country bigger than the West Bank and Gaza, with one exception :.. there would have been much smaller military and civilian cemeteries !!!!!!! think about this and stop talking about throwing the Jews to the sea,,, talk about peace, use your brain for a change.....
19. "Terrorists" and "aniti-semites" never do things right.
Albrecht ,   P.O.   (06.10.10)
The first version was "they wanted to kill us" theay wanted to lynch us"! Now, as we have seen, no one wanted to kill or lynch the soldiers is time for the second version: "they wanted to keep them as hostages". Pitiable.
20. #4 Get a load of this one: Rocket launchers??
Peter ,   Vienna-Austria   (06.10.10)
You mean the ones the IDF didn't find?? Surely you can tell the difference between rocket launchers and electrical scooters.
21. #10: You are not even worth the effort. Serbian!!!!
Peter ,   Vienna-Austria   (06.10.10)
22. #17 was in response to #8, not #2
Andi ,   Israel   (06.10.10)
23. This eye Dr. has some funny quotes and is a fat liar
DJ Sac ,   Tel Aviv   (06.10.10)
24. More Turkish lies
Frank ,   Canada   (06.10.10)
So peaceful Turks were beating the soldiers with non-violent iron rods. These pathological liars have no shame.
25. #16
Albrecht ,   P.O.   (06.10.10)
Of cource, they were "trying to kill the soldiers" but as we can see they did not manage to do that. Ridiculous.
26. Doctor, read the Israeli press
Serge ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (06.10.10)
all newspapers report majority of people on boats were activists. About 50 people had violent intentions.
27. lol ray
cheers ,   mofo   (06.10.10)
what you're smoking is illegal!
28. Will those pictures also be published in the U.S. media..??
Swiss-Dino ,   Switzerland   (06.10.10)
Don't hold your breath......
29. The whole problem for Israel
Chris Linthwaite   (06.10.10)
since the release of pictures in Turkey. Is that their narrative about events has been shown to be flawed. Netanyahu's big problem is that despite Israel's assertions that the soldiers were confronted by a murderous mob and despite the fact that clearly some soldiers were in the control of the Protestors. None of them have ended up dead. Despite the fact that at least three soldiers should have been. I believe the correct narrative is that the soldiers panicked and started firing into the crowd. Which is what soldiers are trained to do.
30. The 3 commandos were to join Shalit in a Gaza Hellhole! Liar
Alan ,   SA   (06.10.10)
I've seen enough stories to make up my mind what was what! All "peace" types were kept off the top deck in the decks below. About 50 or so WELL TRAINED TURKISH Islamicist terrorists were stationed on the top deck. They were taken aboard in Turkey. There was evidence of Rangefinders and Gun paraphenalia found in Ashdod They could easily handle that stupid Israeli plan of lowering Commandos one by one armed with Paintball guns onto the top deck .(read story of Roman Horatio on the Bridge in Ancient Rome) I heard recording of Israelis shouting that they were being fired upon Islamists took the 3 hostage ....So how were the FEW Israeli Commandos to find and release their 3 colleagues without a struggle . I would think thats when there was a lot of difficulty . Im sure it was a struggle for the Commandos to overwhelm the 50 Islamicist Desperados in order to release the 3 and take control of the wheelhouse.
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