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Is Netanyahu capitulating?
Avraham Burg
Published: 10.06.10, 18:09
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1. Independence and Sovereignty
Thomas ,   Philadelphia USA   (06.10.10)
Stop lobbying the US for billions in aid and then you won't have to listen to American concerns.
2. why...
(06.10.10)
...does a Frenchman Burg concern himself with Israeli politics? He should go eat some escargot.
3. Please meet Abraham Burg
Genuine Moshe   (06.10.10)
From Wikipedia: "In October 2003, Burg caused a sensation when he published an article in the British newspaper The Guardian named 'The end of Zionism' calling for a quick withdrawal from the Palestinian Territories.[5] Also in 2003, Burg published an article in Yedioth Ahronoth in which he declared, "Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centers of Israeli escapism."" How could anyone take seriously such a character?
4. #1 You don't get it
Lobo ,   USA   (06.10.10)
By law, Israel must spend 3/4 of the US aid it gets on US companies. If Israel didn't receive the billions it gets, then the US economy would collapse
5. Will the real A. Burg please stand up?
Wade ,   NYC USA   (06.10.10)
Burg must be planning a comeback to all of a sudden voice concern about Israel's sovereignty. By previously negating Zionism he positioned himself as against Israeli sovereignty. The building freeze is a temporary concession and the token outsider representation on the inquiry commission will not wrest control from Israel. There is no dismantling going on, only diplomacy.
6. Avrum -It's too late.
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (06.10.10)
Of course you are right. No nation, no democracy should have to face an international investigation into its affairs, unless it has ceased to be a democracy. What happens when a policeman shoots and kills someone in civilised countries? Regardless of the circumstances, he surrenders his weapon and is investigated. Here we have reached a point of such lawless unaccountability - to ourselves, to the nation that the government and the military exists to serve - it's a farce. It no longer matters what others say about us. What matters is our self-respect. Where is it?
7. right wing Burg doesn't realize Israel has never been a
jak ,   jer is   (06.10.10)
sovereign nation.And was created with the agreement and cooperation of certain nations.There's a limited sovereignty that's been always in dispute patterned after the second temple period.This was known to your father but this generation kids itself in thinking that being Israeli means being sovereign.
8. Sovereignty
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (06.10.10)
Sovereignty concern by Averham Berg. I can't believe it. Has he or is he beginning to change his stripes? Yes Bibi is undermining Israeli and Jewish Sovereignty. The left however is a great deal of the problem constantly complaining to Obama and the world about putting more pressure on Israel. Israel has already offered to do a probe which is internal. My belief it is a mistake because each time we submit to pressure it erodes Israels sovereignty. But at least you are finally seeing the light at least for that I am thankful. http://israelprotect.blogspot.com
9. #4 - You don't get it
Robin ,   US   (06.10.10)
It's still someone else's money. It's like a grown kid asking mama for money then turning around and telling her you're an adult when she tells you how to live your life. Either stand on your own or deal with Obama putting in his 2 cents.
10. Burg's concern for Israel is heartwarming
chaim ,   Bet Shemesh   (06.10.10)
I thought I had seen everything but this one is too ironic to ignore. The most self-serving, arrogant and vacuous talking head to ever grace Israeli politics is suddently lamenting the demise of Israeli sovereignty. This from a man who urged all Israelis to obtain European citizenship. The one positive thing I can say about the Israeli political scene is that Israelis were savvy enough to ensure that this hypocrite is no longer a part of it.
11. There is only one choice
ben Ish   (06.10.10)
Israel has to face the decision: Care about what the rest of the world thinks, or -don't- care about what the rest of the world thinks. If Israel cares about world opinion, there is ONLY ONE solution that will satisfy them: Complete dissolution of any nation for Jews. There is no other way. Either stop caring and DEFEND or just dissolve the nation. There is no middle ground. Chasing for any other option is delusional. Accept reality: The world will not willingly accept a Jewish nation. You have 3,500 years of proof, what more do you need? STOP CARING about world opinion, and inch by inch voluntarily crawling back into diaspora and dissolution, betraying YHWH who established Israel in the first place.
12. Israel is dependent on the US
fenn ,   Chicago USA   (06.10.10)
Isreal is a welfare nation that cannot survive without US support. Without US aid Isreal economy would collapse. Isreal is not an independant country because it does not support itself and cannot survive without US support
13. The idea of an international investigation
Mikesailor ,   Miami, FL   (06.10.10)
Why not? Tthe ship was attacked by Israel in international waters. Or is Israel immune because it is Israel? By tthe way, I particularly enjoyed the following quote frm the author: " A wholly Israeli commission of inquiry, comprising Israel’s most dignified figures, whose honesty and quality are beyond doubt in the eyes of the world." The problem with such a commission is that such 'honest' people don't exist in the 'Jewish' state.
14. #3 exactly!
Golan ,   modiin   (06.10.10)
Burg has come out against Israel in the European media time and time again. He belongs on the radical Israeli left that has been rejected by the electorate for a good reason. We are tiered of these people hurting us.
15. You poor, poor man
Z Lando   (06.10.10)
Are you writing this to us from France?
16. # 3.Moshe.....Mr. BURG....TELLS AS IT IS...
Samuel ,   Chadds Ford PA- USA   (06.10.10)
This gentleman is REALIST... He is a JEW who knows what the JEWS went through to survive... Also, Mr. Burg Knows what they are doing to BLOW it all away.. He is a MAN who deals with FACTS and wants his people to come to their senses.. Moshe..You represent the Cocky and Arrogant Jews who will ONLY bring mayhem onto their people... Wake up and Listen..This man is worthy of a Noble Peace Prize...
17. I can't stand Burg but, boy, did he hit the nail on the head
Cowboy Joe ,   Calgary, Canada   (06.10.10)
this time. Israel is increasingly becoming a vassal of the U.S. He's wrong when he said that this is the first government to yield its sovereignty. Let's not forget Ariel Sharon. He started it!
18. wanted looking for 8x8 rock
ROBERT ,   FARMINGTON,WV   (06.10.10)
wanted looking for a 8x8 rock to get under , if obama and the world keeps on pressuring israel on there sovereignty I really look for the lord almighty to start passing out some serious judgement on the world , remember in the end there is no longer a Amercia , no longer Europe , no longer Asia...etc there will always be Israel and jerusalem now who needs who......MAY THE LORD FOREVER BLESSTHE STATE OF ISRAEL. : ) : )
19. What A Shmuck - He Should Be Writing For Haaretz
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (06.11.10)
20. interesting principle, but...
Eddie ,   london UK   (06.11.10)
Avrum would want the same thing regarding his own political outcomes, eg for an independent state - ie he is opposed to israeli democracy if it votes agaisnt his beleifs. In any case, Bibi has reejcted an international investigation (a la Goldstone). However, I am not totally paranoid, there are some ideas that the world might offer that could help Israel's cause. the blockade, has nto succeeded in bringing back Gilad, and has given power to the perception that Israel is brutal etc. What logic was there to ban sweets and cetain luxury foods from gaza? It is not a good idea to be seen as carrying out collwctive punishment. There is a PR war, which actualyl influences the military war and outcomes.
21. Get rid of Barak! Ashkanazi is your man for Defense Ministe
sdunc ,   USA   (06.11.10)
22. Put this person much further down
oh no not again   (06.11.10)
in you 'activist' stuff or whatever it's called. That's where you put would put him if he were a proud patriotic person, isn't it Ynet. Better still don't put him anywhere.
23. Avraham Burg
tb ,   Jerusalem   (06.11.10)
Evident from the talkbacks is that no one is interested in what Mr. Burg has to say. He's not in sync with most of us so why would we be interested in his musings? Thankfully, people who think as he does are in the minority. Most of us want to contribute, not detract, from our nation, our government and our people. We have enough enemies on the outside.
24. who is israil you are speaking about
sara   (06.11.10)
is it the first one in 49 or is it the second one in 67 or is it after sadat visited jerusalem and his words in kenessett or is it with the south of lebanon or after disengagment from gaza ..sir i think israil has a strategy but sure it is not stable they use the un and america support but sure it needs their decision and support and stability once and forever
25. The Anti-Israeli Israeli
Shalom Freedman ,   Jerusalem Israel   (06.11.10)
Abraham Burg is a shame and a disgrace. He badmouths Israel wherever he goes. He minimizes the actions of Israel's enemies, and believes that the threats against us belong to our imagination only. This instance is yet one of thousands in which he instinctively takes the 'other side'. Once he wanted to be Prime Minister and instead find himself out of any leadership position. Since then he has gone to even greater extremes in his one- sided favoring of Israel's enemies.
26. nr.12 -fenn- chicago-us.
sjoerd van der velde ,   hoorn-the netherland   (06.11.10)
you hit the nail on the head. not a single country/people/population is literarly independant or autarkic. we all are dependant of eachother and we have accounted with eachother in micro-, meso and macro-form in this world.
27. You are the man Mr Burg
Mike ,   Phoenix,Arizona,USA   (06.11.10)
In my humble opinion I'm really please with YNET to add to the opinion's forum to Mr Avraham Burg,no matter what the negative comments some posts but I think is interesting and positive what Mr Burg have to say,Idid read the book "Defeating Hitler",awsome,two thumbs up!!!Shalom.Mike from Phoenix
28. fenn from Chicago is in denial
Trumpedor ,   eurabia   (06.11.10)
No country is quite independant Israel is not a welfare state,its current economy is healthier than USA Wake up and grow up !
29. yes the booboo is a worthless shivering shi*t
Max   (06.12.10)
ditto loser Barfak and Peres the drooling insane person.
30. israel
kate ,   atlanta US   (06.12.10)
I was only a few months old when you were born and I expected you to out live me by many years. I am afraid I see your end in sight. How sad.
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