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Flotilla activists: Violence led to blockade removal
Boaz Fyler
Published: 21.06.10, 13:40
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31. Double standard!
Maurice ,   Montreal   (06.21.10)
"Pisias called on the countries of the world to monitor Israel: "The international community must ensure that the State of Israel's decisions are not suddenly changed again as soon as a Qassam rocket is fired on Israel or any other incident that might give the government a legitimization to tighten the blockade once again. " - What nonesense! Only Israel is obliged to provide for a deadly ennemy!
32. Ertugrul #29 - I lived in Turkey 30 years
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.21.10)
from 1950 to 1980 and visit very often. How come I never see Kurds to be as happy as you described? Look at Ahmet Turk, Leyla Zana, Osman Baydemir, None of them are happy. Ahmet Turk was attacked and nose broken in the streets.
33. Anton - Israel supported Turkey in Cyprus
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.21.10)
While the Arabs were and still are against Turkey. But again let's talk facts. Turkey did not invade Cyprus because Makarios was killing Turks. In 1955 a Tirkish police officer was killed by EOKA. As a reaction there was the September 6-7 incidents in Turkey where even Jews and Armenians were attacked by Turkish mobs in Istanbul and Izmir. Beyoglu was totally ransacked just like Christal nacht. Later in 1958 Turks killed 8 Cypriot civilians at Kondomenos. In 1963 Greeks did attack Turks and about 350 were killed. but atthat time Turkey did not invade Cyprus. Then came 1974 - 10 years later. Makarios was haggling with USA about the lease of the American military bases. Just like Dom Mintof of Malta had done before. In order to get more money he started to promise the Soviets the bases. At taht time Bulent Ecevit had just become PM of Turkey in a strange coalition with Erbakan. They both opposed USA and NATO. Ecevit had run his campaign on the slogan of NATO'ya HAYIR - NO TO NATO - USA to protect its interests in the Island decided to support the Greek Junta government to stage a coup in Cyprus against Makarios. Teh militants of Niokos Sampson trued to kill Makarios and took control of the island. Teh operations was not against Turks, it was against Makarios. No Turks were baing attacked. But Ecevit used the opportunity to invade Cyprus as one of the guarantor states. It was a political matter against USA and NATO. It had nothing to do with the massacres of 1963. At that time not one Arab country or Muslim country supported Turkey with one exception Pakistan. To this day Israel supports Turkish position in Cyprus. During the 1974 was (I was a college student at the time and remember it as if it was today) Turkey invade more then its share of the island. A big chunk of the City of Magosa has been evacuated and after 36 years it is still a ghost town decaying while people who lived there can not go and live in their own homes. There are still unaccounted thousands of Greeks lost since 1974. Some Mass graves were found last year but no further investigation has been done on this matter.
34. # 28 Nour
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (06.21.10)
Nour ! as a poor palestinian refugee, you are doing quite well,if you have $ 100 in your pocket,you mention dignity and freedom ,the palestinians are not interested in dignity and freedom,if they were, they would force their democratically elected government to free Gilad Shalit and stop firing qasams on Israel,What the palestinians really want,is blood,the more the better,for past real or imagined grievances,revange is very important in Islam,more important than to feed the family,as of now the EU has joined the international gang to linch Israel,but this will come to an end when the EU will realise that it is pampering a mad dog.
35. so they were looking for deaths!!!
meg ,   israel   (06.21.10)
Without the deaths of activists on board the Marmara ship we might have not witnessed the results we see today," the activist said sounds real peaceful doesnt it. Shame on you all on those damn ships, you make life cheap!
36. #28 Nour
M Carr ,   Baltimore   (06.21.10)
Hey Nour, you need to read some more recent reports (I’ll bet you already have). Iranian Aid Flotilla Postponed Lebanese Flotilla heads to Cyprus so as not to violate UN Security Council Resolution 1701 (UN support) Lebanese flotilla ship delayed for “technical inspection” US Warns Citizens Not to Participate in Gaza Flotillas USS Harry Truman battle group moves through Suez Canal I could go on but I’d rather you do a little work. In none of the above reports (I didn’t make them up) did I detect an increase in support for the flotillas. Seeing that you are from Palestine (where is that exactly?) I understand your passion. But all of your passion has changed none of the facts on the ground. And the facts are that the blockade is still in place and Hamas is more isolated than ever. You mention that a person has to be a “white or jew supremacist” to label an opponent as a terrorist. I happen to be a black Christian and a supporter of Israel. The team aboard the Marmara that attacked the commandos was an ambush unit hidden amongst innocent civilians. I’m sure the majority of the activists were unaware of their intentions. I’m also sure future peace activists will exercise more caution in whom they associate themselves with. To my mind the ambush team fit the definition of terrorists.
37. david
anton ,   istanbul turkey   (06.21.10)
All you wrote is true but doesnt change the fact that while all the island even the ones under turkey nose are greeks turkey couldnt let cpyrus being taken so she had to protect her interst an people in the island you know greeks they always dream like megalo idea or annex the cyprus to mother greece why dont you mention the turks that still not found david? murataga had 120 villagers on 14 agust 1974 106 wre killed by EOKA or the lost bus that left with 11 turk in and never came back remainings later found in awell david thre are two side to every story israel supported turkey cause among the 1.5 billon muslims turkey is the only muslim country supports israel and was the first one to recognize her I didint think this day would come where we accuse eachother and declare as an enemy but ı said before and saying now no matter how bad it goes we will support israels excistence in that hostile region against arabs
38. celebrate????
Dana Rothschild ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.21.10)
they need to change their name.... from peace activists to violence activists....
39. # 28
Dana Rothschild ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.21.10)
check again Nour.... the "flotilla" from Lebanon still in Lebanon... nobody knows not only WHEN she leaves for Gaza, but IF she will leave at all..... you in Gaza dear? you have 100 dollar spare? not bad, not bad at all for Gaza girl....
40. Anton # 37
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.22.10)
I am glad to read your post because you make my point. As you mentioned Israel has always supported Turkey in the case of Cyprus while Arabs and the west (almost the entire world) was either supporting Greeks or were against Turkey. I too agree that Turkey had the right to protect its Turkish minority in the Island. When over 300 Turks were killed (there were also Greeks killed by Turks too but they are the majority in the island) Turkey has the right to go and protect. Just like Israel has the right to protect her citizens when Hamas rockets kills Israeli civilians such as Dorit Benisian and Yuvalk Abebeh. But as we have seen your pm Recep bey considers Hamas terrorists freedom fighters. He told his nation that Turks can not live without Arabs, Turks and Arabs are like the finger and the finger nail. It is no longer possible for an Israeli to trust Turkey as long as AKP is in power. You ask how did we come tothis day that we would accuse each other. 1. I am not accusing the Ataturkcu Turks. They are my friends and even at these difficult times I might continue to support some of the Turkish issues in USA (But until AKP is gone I will be selective). I am accusing the AKP and his supporters. 2. It all started at Davos. Remember? Your PM has a distaste for well trained and experienced diplomats. Prefers to use his Kasimpasa language to mess up everything. With each of his words Bir cuval pirinci .....ediyor. He is a big menace for modern Turkey if there is still anything left of it.
41. 40 david
anton ,   istanbul turkey   (06.22.10)
I wish it was israli goverment officials said thesee things jews saying about turkey here that way we wouldnt care much and is what you should do cause you know in turkey AKP doesnt represent seculars since turkey is secular country you dont need to worry about anything on the other hand in israel things are opposite govement which is the worst since history of israel has common sense regarding the case while israeli public smear turkey and support turkeys enemies recep bey will be gone david you should worry about how will we restore the relationship if thats possible? I hope you understand what ı am tryıng to say all along
42. Anton - you are looking at the the wrong direction
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.22.10)
In Israel Turks are welcome and the bashing that you read is something new, a reaction to Erdogan, AKP and his followers. Israel is not talking about cutting relations with Turkey but Turkey is considering it. There is not ambassador in Israel yet. There are no massive anti Turkish demonstrations in Israel but there has been many in Turkey recently by people carying Arab flags. But also in the 1960 ies 1970 ies 1080 ies and 1990 ies (Birgun news paper used to organize those demonstrations and I remember them) Don't worry In Israel weather it is this government or another, as soon as Turks start to change their negative feelings about Israel things will change very quickly. But you look at yourself. I hope that AKP is in its last year of ruling Turkey but sincerely speaking I am not very sure. Even if AKP loses next elections and CHP wins with big margin do you think the ultra Islamists in Turkey will be silent? I don't have much hope. The past 8 years have changed Turkey drastically. The ultra Islamists the sects such as ISMAILAGA are now institutionalized and accepted. THey are strong wealthy and very loud. Don't worry about Israel. We Jews do not have long term animosity and we are pragmatic. We forgive and move on. Look how we get along with Germans today. Anton You preoccupy yourself with Israel too much but you have real deep issues in your country. One of the reasons that these issues are not fixed is that you deny they exist, you look for outside culprits while they are all inside. This is a friendly advice from someone who really loves the secular modern democratic old ATATURK's Turkey.
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