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Emmanuel compromise approved; parents released
Aviad Glickman
Published: 27.06.10, 11:13
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1. So the Rabbanim won after all!
Josh   (06.27.10)
The religious girls will ONLY be together for 3 days just to pacify some haughty judges and then they will have their own schools where the secular court will not have a say. G-d bless these holy Rabbis.
2. Who
(06.27.10)
Who will pay reparations to the children of these men for the damage done by the brutal arrest and the unlawful imprisonment? Who will explain to the little Down's child why his father was taken from him by armed thugs, leaving him alone? Who will help that one family recover from the miscarriage?
3. The parents were jailed for naught!
Josh   (06.27.10)
The supreme court would not dare jail the rabbis who were behind it, so they put innocent parents who did no crime behind bars. The secular Israeli justice system has become a laughingstock in the world!
4. The Supreme Court made a mess.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (06.27.10)
Business as usual.
5. to # 2 WHO
david cohen   (06.27.10)
the racist who believe that they are superior to SFARDIM! this is who. they forgot that Moshe is EGYPTIAN and not RUSSIAN and that the BAVLI Gemarra was written in IRAQ and not HUNGARY. disgusting what the country had to experience .
6. What a surprise !
Avi ,   Israel   (06.27.10)
As always the charideem get away with it. as they see themselves above the law, just as they riot on a near daily basis as they know that after a few hours down the cop shop they will be released.
7. too number two Who?
rivka ,   israel   (06.27.10)
Who is going to pay any reparation to the sephardic girls that have being discriminated, who is going to repare the religious / moral / emotional damage the ashkenazi community and their white 'heads' it's doing to the entire Jewish world? Shame on you All !!! Shame on You All
8. #5 He was from around Babylon, actually.
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (06.27.10)
And considering that of the 9 mothers who didn't receive a court exception, 6 were Sephardi... racism, you say? If it's racism, what were Sephardi parents doing in prison, then?
9. Smelly hats - get over it
Danny ,   Israel   (06.27.10)
10. Actually, it is the Ashkenazim who lost !!!
avi   (06.27.10)
They had the opportunity to step down from their pedestal but they didn't and hardened their hearts in separating themselves from Sepharadim and the people of Israel. They are 'ghettoizing' themselves to the point when some day, even G.d won't recognize them as the sons of Moshe Rabbenu who was married with a black woman and was the humblest man on earth.
11. to number 7
david cohen   (06.27.10)
a woman is no longer a sefardic when she marries an Ashkenaz
12. There must be decent Ashkenazim
PS   (06.27.10)
in Emmanuel. Aside from this arrogant smug lot. The must be Ashkenazim who treat Sephardim with respect and as equals, as is required by the Torah. Please tell me that there are these decent people there. Unfortunately a few loud mouth 'holier than thou' creatures have blackened the name of a whole Yishuv.
13. Uphold the law
Simon ,   UK   (06.27.10)
See, G-D is on the right side. G-D upholds the law. There is no secular law in a Jewish state ! Israel is a Jewish state and must uphold Jewish Torah law. No country in the World would allow intimidation by a secular court. Jew law and also (the so called Israeli law) always maintained that one was entitled to send one's child to a school their choosing. Like any other civil country, Jewish schools prevail, They have the best education, bith in Hebrew and secular subjects, So why does it bother these justices. Because they are not law abbiding people. Tell me how many keep Shabbat. How many keep kushrut. How many understand the simple vowels of the Jewish lathargy ? If what we have seen recently, then these guys have no right to involve themselves in judgeing others and certainly not Jewish people. T.G the law was upheld. (Torah law). I think if the truth be known, deep down they recognonise they have acted iligally and they are in real trouble. But G-D has patience. Let's see which ones will ask forgiveness for the Holy One Above. Let's see.
14. First stop on the way home
before the fast   (06.27.10)
for this heartless group SHOULD BE to go to the homes of the little sephardi girls they humiliated (and will probably continue to do so) and beg for forgiveness. Their leader is not great enough to instruct them to do so, so guess what? They wont be doing it. They need to be 'ordered' to be decent, that's the trouble
15. the media and courts were and are WRONG
jonathan ,   safed   (06.27.10)
The recent Israeli High Court ruling against parents of students in the Israeli town of Emmanuel and the ensuing massive haredi demonstration on the parents’ behalf present an opportunity to either jump to conclusions or objectively evaluate the facts. Several Sephardi parents -- Israelis of North African and Middle-Eastern backgrounds -- in the town brought a lawsuit aimed at preventing other parents of students who had been studying in the local Beit Yaakov girls’ school from maintaining a new school the latter group had established. The court ruled that the new school was born of illegal ethnic discrimination and, later, that the “new school” parents’ subsequent second choice – to send their daughters to a school in another city -- was also forbidden them. The court fined those parents for each day they refused to comply with its order to return their children to the Emmanuel Beit Yaakov, threatened them with prison and then made good on the threat. On June 17, the parents, wearing their Sabbath clothes, were held aloft and escorted to the prison by a peaceful crowd of tens of thousands, singing and dancing, in a demonstration of support for the soon-to-be prisoners. Racial prejudice lay at the root of the parents’ desire for a separate school for their children and their refusal to abide by the court ruling. The large number of supporters who turned out on their behalf reflected a general haredi Ashkenazic disdain for the “segregation” of Sephardim. Version two: The jailed parents sought only to preserve the religious standards the Emmanuel school had maintained for many years. Changing demographics over the years in Emmanuel brought an influx of families with less stringent standards of Jewish observance, dress and insularity (including things like use of the internet and personal messaging, which are shunned by many haredim for religious reasons) than the original residents of the town. In the age of Internet, when one student exposed to pornographic material can affect an entire class, the trend in all charedi schools has been towards greater protections. Some of the long-time residents with school-age children saw a need for two different educational institutions to service Emmanuel’s girls. That most of the new families happened to be of Sephardi heritage played no role at all in that decision. The first version was endorsed by Israel’s High Court, which pronounced that the new school evidenced prejudice and ordered the parents who had founded it to return their children to the Emmanuel Beit Yaakov. Those parents, however, insisted, and insist, that the court finding was wrong, that their choice was a matter of religious conscience. They refused to be coerced to send their children to a school of the court’s choice and readily went to jail for their civil disobedience. The larger haredi community, wary of the High Court in the best of circumstances and seeing it as having ignored clear facts in this case, rallied to the parents’ side. Which version reflects the truth? There is no doubt that discrimination against Sephardim exists in Israeli society, and that it is pernicious and must be fought wherever it appears. The question about the Emmanuel issue, though, is whether such discrimination -- or, rather, parents’ concerns for the tenor of their children’s educations -- motivated the establishment of the new school. Several simple facts, although oddly absent from most news reports, seem to point in one direction: More than a quarter of the girls who had been enrolled in the new school were… Sephardim. And there were Ashkenazi girls who remained in the original Beit Yaakov too. What is more, not one applicant to the new school was rejected. Any girl willing to abide by the school’s standards was welcomed, regardless of her ethnic background. The “segregation,” it seems, consisted of nothing more than two schools offering two different sets of religious standards.
16. #13 The law of the Torah #13
Bshem yeladot ktanot   (06.27.10)
is not to do to others what you wouldn't want done to you, AND don't turn your friend's face white (with humiliation and shame) in public. Guilty on both counts. THIS is the Torah while standing on one foot, NOTHING ELSE. So stop the self righteous nonsense. Being a BEN ADAM comes first. DERECH ERETZ KADMAH LATORAH. We have yet to see this here, and I guess we won't. Shame on them/you all. Who are you to judge others? Be careful young man. Arrogance is a dangerous trait. BTW Please stay there.
17. Josh, #1 & 3
JDE ,   Boston, USA   (06.27.10)
"The secular Israeli justice system has become a laughingstock in the world! " No, it is you frummies who are the laughingstock of the civilized world. Tragically, you are too brainwashed to see it.
18. Shunned for what?
Batak Bard ,   Israel   (06.28.10)
What is unjust, Mr Minister Eli Yishai, is that religious Jewish girls in a religious Jewish school in Israel should be shunned for the diasporic origin of their parents. If that doesn't define sinat hinam, nothing does.
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