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Report: Obama warned Erdogan of flotilla probe
Roee Nahmias
Published: 03.07.10, 10:55
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31. ISRAEL RAID WAS HONORABLE
Bob Miller ,   Ohio, USA   (07.03.10)
Well, the MESSIAH here in the United States... ADMITS that the Israel Raid was right on.. and the ISRAELI Soldiers were set up by the Turks and the HAMAS leadership. DEATH TO HAMAS.
32. # 29
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.03.10)
At last some clever poster has put a sock in Idkak's mouth. Thanks iObserver !
33. #27, #28, #29
idkak ,   Istanbul, Turkey   (07.03.10)
#27 No government has total control over its citizens unless it is a dictatorship or a fascist one. I very much doubt the direct involvement of the AKP party with the IHH, if they did have direct involvement I doubt they would have lasted more than a couple of hours, as tensions with them and the military are at all time high. Turkey doesn't permit any weapons to be transported through itself when any such thing is discovered it is confiscated directly, usually besides Turkeys own intel Israel also provides intel on such matters. It is dealt with quite quickly. Syria by the way until very recently was our enemy, we almost went to war with them. Israel doesn't need to trust anyone with any military plans, it is a sovereign country with its own military. However being an "ally" brings the necessity to share intel, and inform of actions before doing something... If this is non existent then there is no point of being an ally is there?... Iran isn't Turkeys direct enemy, but it is its rival, and due to prior military agreements with Israel, Turkey would have been on the Israeli side in an event of attack or war. And the way things are going, Turkey will nullify these agreements on the basis that Israel is no longer an ally, and not only do nothing in an attack or declaration of war, it will also ban the usage of its territories by any country. #28 I agree, but it did escalate in a pretty linear fashion, not only the work of Mr. Erdogan. Israel played on the nationalistic side of Turks and hence the outbursts.. #29 I couldn't care much what you think, or about the choices of the US as neither Israel nor Turkey are vassals of the US, though people of your mentality might think otherwise, nor can I say that I care much for NATO, Turkey maybe needed it in the 60-80's now its just an ineffective political nuisance more than anything.
34. idkak from Istanbul Quite Frankly
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.03.10)
Yes IHH is more inline with Erbakan but Erbakan was the teacher of Erdogan. The only difference is that Erbakan had said Sheria will come either by blood or without blood. Erdogan preferred the slow and bloodless method that's all. Israelis are not really enemies of Turks and they do not hate Turks. Look at recent history when Antalya was full of Israeli tourist. What has changed is Erdogan and AKP's hatred for Israel that trickled down to the Turkish street. And this phenomenon is not new in Turkey. In the 1070 ies when Lived in Turkey, Istanbul Izmir, there used to be similar hate meetings against Jews and Israel organized by the BIRGUN newspaper. As soon as Turks stop hating Israelis and Jews Israelis will again fill the Antalya resorts and those hotels will not have to reduce their prices as much as they have done this year losing money. (According to Hurriyet the damage is around 400 million dollars) Idkak dostum, Israel 'Jews are not your enemies. look at inside to find your (democratic secular Turkish republic's) enemies. They are devouring your country for the past 8 years.
35. Tiki #8 to Idkak #2
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.03.10)
As Tiki said there are normal ways that aid can be send to Gaza. As TV anchorman UGUR DUNDA said he has gathered minions of dollars worth of aid and sent through the red Crescent and they all reached Gaza peacefully. Before you accuse Israel investigate the facts. You know the Turkish saying 'UZUM YEMEGE MI GELDINIZ BAGCIYI DOVMEYE MI". The Red Crescent is thre to eat the grape while IHH was there to beat the vineyards.
36. #12 to Idkak #2
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.03.10)
In fact Turkish military regularly crosses the Iraqi border to attack the PKK. What right do they have to cross the border? Not any different then Israel's actions against the Mavi Marmara. In fact Mavi Marmara was in International waters while Turkey directly violates the Iraqi air space finds it justifiable.
37. Idkak #26
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.03.10)
Please write only;y facts that can be proven or documented. Israel did not supply the PKK with any arms, on the contrary Israel provided the TSK with arms and aircraft to fight PKK, Additionally provided Israeli staff to use the Heron's against PKK in 2009. Only a few days ago these Israeli made Heron's helped TSK to destroy another PKK camp in Northern Iraq. (I am quoting Turkish media, Hurriyet, Taraf) . Also the TSK is noit accepting these unsubstantiated accusations about Israel that you have mentioned.
38. # 35
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.03.10)
Nope, Tiki did not say there are normal ways that aid can be sent to Gaza, post # 8. I did.
39. David Israel.. #34 to #37
idkak ,   Istanul, Turkey   (07.03.10)
#34 I know pretty well who is the enemy of Turkey, and Turks, it isn't Israel. #35 I don't watch Turkish TV at all, they yell too much.. #36 Any country has the right to defend itself from attackers, including the right to pursue them.. And terrorists with guns and bombs aren't 'activists' that yell, jump up and down, cry, go naked.. in protest ...well whatever.... Iraqi aerospace, considering that the attacks are coming from the territory of Iraq, the use of their aerospace is least of their worries as Turkey has the right to declare war.. #37 no not to PKK directly, but to PJAK/ PEJAK which is a branch of the PKK that is active in Iran. Year 2007.. (link to another article in the Asia Times.. :http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IK02Ak01.html) ... The accusations that I've mentioned are facts from 2007 and prior dates, which include weapon serial numbers, and photographic intel amongst others. Too bad that Turkish newspapers can't even manage to look into their own archives.. The current accusations that the newspapers in Turkey are blabing about and the TSK is denying is the RPG attack by the PKK on the naval base on the day and about time of the flotilla, and the sudden activation of the PKK all of which logically Israel doesn't have any involvement with. (I say logically because even the hint of such a thing will result in declaration of war.) The recent PKK 'events' within Turkey is the build-up of the incompetence of the AKP party in dealing with terrorists.
40. David Israel.. ..
Kria ,   Turkey.   (07.03.10)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PJAK
41. Sorry Birdi
David israel ,   New York, USA   (07.03.10)
My mistake I meant Birdi bit wrote Tiki. It is very hot here in NY today. Let's blame it on the heat.
42. Idkak #26
Omri ,   Israel   (07.04.10)
Note something, lifting the blockade over Gaza will mean Gaza will be a base for Iran, I think that is enough for Israel to declare war before Iran put an army in Gaza right next to Israel. Turkey knows that and war, even if won will be VERY BAD for all sides of it. Note Israel has a very able army in order to use its high-tech unlike what you suggested that Israel is unable to use its potential. And would war happen after all with Israel and turkey (not going to happen) I can already tell you turkey is not a clear victor after considering military alliances + the Turkish officers who appose Erdogan. Yes I believe Erdogan DOES want the blockade lifted, hell his not even hiding that! Remember a big country can't just do what it wants to other smaller countries "because the small country will not be stupid enough to declare war". History has shown many times stuff like that DO happen and in some of them the smaller country even wins (like the six-day war). I remind you again that Israel and turkey are in an alliance that leaders from both sides want to keep and it's in the interests of both countries that it stays this way. So pushing Israel to a position where the blockade is lifted and an Iranian base put up will bring Israel to a position where war is inevitable and that’s not in Turkish interests to do that (Erdogan may want this but I doubt the rest of the Turkish leaders will agree with him).
43. Kria it makes my point
David Isreal ,   New York, USA   (07.04.10)
That article only indicates that USA and Israel are covertly helping PJAK who is fighting against the Ayatollahs in Iran. However in nowhere it is telling that there is support for PKK. While from the Kurdish cause PKK and PJAK might be associated both israel and the USA considers PKK a terrorist organization.
44. Oh my my...
Alexis Sitton ,   San Juan PR   (07.04.10)
I have been ready to die for ERETZ YISRAEL MY WHOLE LIFE, BUT... If BIBI apologized to those Turks, I will have to rethink it. Enough damage was done letting those criminals go away.
45. # 41
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.04.10)
Apology accepted.
46. Quite frankly Mr Idkak
JUDAH THE LION   (07.04.10)
TURKEY must apologise to Israel because your PM have started all these problems,and we have seen the hatred and anti Israel in your cities.Israel been friends and ally and the IDF were friends to the Turkish army.Now your PM Mr.Erdogan wants to be close to the Arab world who once have sold the Turkish Empire and they will sell the Turks in the future.
47. #32
Mike Diaz ,   San Juan, U.S.A.   (07.05.10)
Yes, he (#29) took the words out of my mouth (keyboard). Idkak suffers from megalomania, like his own Turkish government.
48. #45
Mike Diaz ,   San Juan, U.S.A.   (07.05.10)
Now who the heck do you think you are? Ahmet Davutoglu? ;-)
49. #14
Mike Diaz ,   San Juan, U.S.A.   (07.05.10)
Ynet biased? Your post is here for all to read so why now this ridiculous 'It shows that Ynet is biased' sentence? I guess the picture is from one of many Erdogan's political speeches. If Ynet has one with Erdogan smiling, I'm sure they'll show it. So drop the whining, cn.
50. Free Mordechai Vanunu
Mordechai Vanunu ,   Everywhere   (07.06.10)
What a sad State that can't even let its heroes live in freedom.
51. #50
Mike Diaz ,   San Juan, U.S.A.   (07.06.10)
Heroes? What heroes? Vanunu betrayed his own country. The State of Israel was way too kind to this traitor. You do know what Hamas, Hizbullah and Fatah do to those it considers Traitors, don't you? He also violated the terms of his release. If you like him so much, take his place and serve his three-month sentence.
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