The appeasers want to believe in ''moderates'' but this has nothing to do with reality. Politicians pretend there are moderates mostly because otherwise they couldn't justify talking to them & making concessions. Politicians would like to do the same thing with Hamas, they will magically become ''moderate'' - and we see the same phenomenon with Hezbollah, even with the Taliban. It's not about reality, rather about political convenience. Political correctness does the same with Islam, always looking for imaginary ''moderates'' - and while there may be moderate Muslims, there is no moderate Islam. We would laugh if someone tried to call someone a ''moderate Boshevik'' or a ''moderate Nazi'' although the left does it's best to white-wash the crimes of Communism. But there can never be moderates in totalitarianism.

Don't say these things. You're not allowed to speak the truth.

doesn't! both have the same goal = DESTROY ISRAEL AND JEWS!

Fateh and Hamas don't represent the aspirations of the Palestinian people anymore Fatah and Hamas, especially after absence of historical leaders to them, fell into the trap, the trap of the so-called Palestinian Authority ! the trap elections under occupation,which aim to marginalise the struggle for independence and divert energies into an internal battle Fateh and Hamas represent a minority of the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza and the Diaspora. our struggle today must be to revive the moribund structures of the PLO, the only organization that ever represented all Palestinians. It does not matter how our enemies look at us, what is important is how we look at ourselves ,because it is clear that we will remain forever in the eyes of our enemies, bad guys, even if every Palestinian has become a Mother Teresa !!

The end game for the US,EU and most Jews is a peace deal resulting in Jewish-majority and Palestinian-majority states. Fatah deliberately straddles this line so as not to alienate Palestinians and so as to receive maximum concessions (money,freeze,territory) from the West and from Israel. Fatah is taking everyone for a bunch of suckers without committing itself.

...because every child on planet earth knows that Hamas, Hezballah, Fatah etc etc is all the same ! Every child knows it - but not Dan Calic ? Probably Dan Calic knows it too, but he gets money for writing articles on Y-Net - so he writes something....... Yes - me too - I wonder if apples and oranges are different - I mean, lets talk about it....... Dan Calic & Co - wake up and start talking and acting straight, your enemies are out to kill all of Israel ! And they are not just babbling like you do........

both Hamas and Fatah are there to help wipe Israel off the face of earth and with it all traces of Jewish existence in this cradle of Jewish civilization and the national home of the Jewish people. Read both Charters!!! Listen, in Arabic, to the leaders of both organizations!!! Review the terrorist activities of both organizations!!! If and when you find a difference that is more than stylistic, please, let us know...

Don't be so harsh. Go back and read the final paragraph of Calic's opinion. He acknowledges that there is no difference between "moderates" and "terrorists." In arriving at this inescapable conclusion, Mr. Calic authored a well-reasoned opinion. He did not write it for our benefit -- we know all too well what we are dealing with. He wrote it for the benefit of naysayers in Europe and the United States -- and the West generally -- who believe that there is such a thing as a "Palestinian moderate."

They are both,currently,allowing the world powers to do the dirty work,of pushing Israel over the cliff.

both hamas and fatah have the same goal and using the same magic in different strategy... the palestine is never been the name of a nation or state neither a holy land nor a capital for muslim. arabs capital and holy land is Mecca not in Jerusalem...

rather than moderates or extremists Hamas and the Fatah have the same aim, the destruction of Israel it is the methodology that is different Hamas and the Fatah work together as good cop bad copHamas is non pragmatic and fatah pragmatic or you could say thet fatah is crazy and hamas is stark raving bonkers crazy HAMAS insists on a one state solution whereas pragmatic fatah agrees to a two state solution as a stepping stone to a one state solution and of course there are "moderate"elements of hamas and there extremist elements of hamas. i believe the "moderate"Fatah is more dangerous as it led to the false illusion of Oslo and a two state solution

Salma you should better try to look for a way to peace. You seem so delusional, I am sad for you my friend. If I could I should say: to please you we will all leave Israel, but it will not happen. I am so sorry.

As avrom suggests (perhaps echoing Thomas Sowell), there is a distinction between moderates and pragmatists. Moderates have different goals and objectives than radicals and extremists. But *pragmatists* recognize there are different paths to those same end goals - in this case, a Palestine "from the river to the sea". Every so often, the truth seeps out, as when Abbas during last year's Fatah conference, suggested that if diplomacy didn't succeed, he didn't rule out a return to violence. Or earlier when Arafat - shortly after signing the Oslo Accords - reminded Arab audiences of the Treaty of Hudabaiya, which Mohammed signed when he was weak, but abrogated when he was stronger.

This article, togethwr with much of its talkbacking, is just naive, recycled self-designares "expertice" otherwise known as mental masturbation. Since when does any politician give a damn about political charters? When the Likud platform still insists on the necessity of retaining the totality of the Land of Israel under Jewish control, does this mean Bibi rejects Palestine's right to eventually exist? Of course not. When the UN Charter talks about peace, love and harmony, or the charter of the Turkish IHH charter decribes a supposedly purely "humanitarian" purpose, or (taking a different context) when the charter of Im Tirtzu describes a simple/lovely mission of defending Jewish democratic values, does any of this prevent terrible and destructive acts to be done by and in the name of these organizations? Of course not. Look, there are, if one is interested, many legitimate means of studying and speculating about the nature, policies, tactics and objectives of leaders and organizations. But please spare us this recycled every two years garbage about dramatic discoveries in the text of political propaganda charters -- it could not be more irrelevant!

Nothing is more ludicrous than the fiction of a "moderate" Fatah. Fatah is far more successful at maiming and murdering Jews than it's Hamas terrorist rivals. Fatah has maimed and murdered more Jews than Hamas, Hizbullah and Islamic Jihad combined. Fatah's covenant calls for Israel's destruction, as does Hamas'. Fatah's daily P.A. broadcasts are as genocidal as Hamas'. The only real difference between Fatah and Hamas is that Fatah is far more deadly and dangerous.

yesterday they said -they want israil to desened from the tree ... it means .. that the truth about evry thing is how do you look to it the same about terrorists and moderate about pushing to the cliff or desending from the tree

You, who decided to go to Europe, I did not ask that :( Yossef You're Still Here, that pleases me :) I wonder why do you think that i'm delusional ?!!!

May be not delusional but kind of desperate maybe. When i read your talkback I feel a mix of willing to talk to us and also to get rid of us. I know that it is a very difficult situation, many jews want to get rid of arabs and many arabs want to get rid of jews, i know. As a jew coming from berber land I am used to live with arabs, and my tradition is couscous and makrout, henne and yuyu :-) I'd love to find a way to live with you in peace, together, it can be amazing, we have so much to give to the world, and what do we give now? Just war and hatred. I'll talk longer later. Be well.

Take your meds and then post again. Right now, you're somewhere between incoherent and extremely incoherent.

1.2.3 viva l'algerie ;) I'm waiting ,like to hear you my friend.

Is there any difference? Is there any moderate muslim? Have you ever heard a moderate muslim comdemning savage attack on defenceless civilians? Why don't you read their "holy book"?