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Giving Judaism new meaning
Yoaz Hendel
Published: 06.07.10, 15:26
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1. This is nice
Allon   (07.06.10)
but where is the mention of God?
2. Welcome Back
Harry ,   Jerusalem   (07.06.10)
With this wonderful news, I can finally say, "I read an article in Ynet, that was nice to read" and it wasn't an article written by a self hating Israeli. With a united effort, in sanctifying God's Name, we will overcome, even sooner. God Bless you all.
3. yehoodahism
jimmie c boswell ,   denver colo usa   (07.06.10)
yehoodahism is not about being a yehoodah, is about HaShem G-D. i don't study religions, i study about HaShem G-D, here in TheTorah again. if you thinks this is all abou religion, and not about TheG-D WHO is no giving TheTorah again. you have missed the point, of TheTorah, here actually in IT. shalomcha!!!
4. THE NEW MEANING - IS - THE OLD MEANING !!!.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (07.06.10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSATpx7uzk Arn.
5. Harry , # 2
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.06.10)
where was this god during the Shoa ? nowhere , inexisting as then and now .
6. What a load of generalizing poppycock!
Talula ,   Israel   (07.06.10)
I believe everyone should know a little about everything. One doesn't have to absorb themselves into religion to the point of extremity. Reading ancient scripts isn't going to get me my nice high-tech salary, company car and pension. I'm secular and I'm very happy. I have great kids I'm healthy and I earn a good living. What about the religious Jews who can tell you everything you need to know about scripts and Judaism and blah blah? Are they all happy? I DON'T THINK SO! It isn't a Jewish knowledge that makes those people happy. Empty lost people look to fill up on something and therefore munch away on dusty old outdated books as a reason for not dealing with their issues. And there it starts...
7. #5, God was most apparent during the Shoa
Jake ,   USA   (07.06.10)
...and after the Shoa when he rewarded the Jewish people with the re-birth of Israel.
8. Secular Yeshiva
Neal Rothner ,   Hashmonaim, Israel   (07.06.10)
"A light unto nations' begins with a small flame. I Trust that gradually they will discover. God, Even a wristwatch needs a watchmaker Neal Rothner
9. Secularism is immaturity,fear and selishness
iObserver and News ,   US   (07.06.10)
Secular Jews in Europe caused more problems for the Jews over the past 200 years than our enemies. Whoever thinks they will ever get anywhere in life by ditching their heritage with such arrogance and condescention is an selfish ignoramous with little or no knowledge of the human disposition. 80% of the Jews chose to stay with their Egyptian slave masters rather than find freedom: the divided Jews lost the first and second temple, failed to unite against the Romans and were booted from their own land. 2000 yes later, secular Jews march with and FOR an enemy who doesn't recognize their right to exist. Funny, it's not the religous Jews who caused the bulk of Jewish woes...it was almost always the selfish know-it-all seculars who stripped the Jews of life and the freedom to be who they are: Jews. A Jew without their religion is NOT a Jew...they're just your run of the mill goat leading an empty life that vainly attempts to satisfy their selish, purile desires. It's our biggest problem: Jews who stab their fellows in the back because they embrace emptiness
10. Counter to the haredim
Max   (07.06.10)
The haredi cult has done more than anything off to turn Israelis against Judaism. I'm glad that people can also see the intelligent face of Judaism.
11. Feel the same and will give more time
daban   (07.06.10)
My parents are Jewish, of Kurdish orgin and lately I have started to learn more about judaism and both my mom and dad are realy happy about it. I have 4 siblings and hope they will follow the same road as me. But to be jewish in sweden today is not any good . when the mind fails u listen to the heart! I realy like it and feel part of something great.. My grandmother is religous and i have started to spend more time with here..
12. captured babies?
Jew ,   Israel   (07.06.10)
'The haredim refer to the seculars as "captured babies" ' Actually we differentiate between the 'tinok shenishbar' and the 'rasha'. That would include you and other 'contemporary free Jews, those who voluntarily chose it' - those whose spiritual unrest provoke them to 'prove' to themselves what they know deep down to be false and to 'lay to rest' their conscience. Dont work so hard, my friends. There are plenty of real yeshivas out there to assist anyone who is honestly interested. And those who are not will have YNet at their side, helping them to get through those difficult days when the truth can be frightfully blinding.
13. paqid's 'judaism' is so different that jews won't recognize
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (07.06.10)
14. 7 , Jake . Most apparent during the Shoa ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.07.10)
By intervening in the way that no more were murdered ? The rebirth of Israel began before the Shoa , in 1897 in Basel . Learn History before talking .
15. Learning to Revere & Keep Torah Should Always Be Encouraged
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.07.10)
Part of that learning necessarily includes learning the most pristine Torah tradition on earth: the Teimanim (Yemenite Jews). Visiting a Teimani beit k'nesset and learning from a Teimani Mori (who are typically warm, kind, friendly and eager to help Jews learn more about Torah) is essential to getting it right. Further, recognizing the single most pristine tradition as a goal encourages the bridge from all traditions toward unifying Am Ekhad and the Name together. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (Teimani, Baladi, Dor Daim, Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jew geirim
16. Reason for Jewish Atheism: their belief in Magical g-d
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.07.10)
Jewish Atheists believe that, if a g-d exists, it should do miracles at their (ridiculously ignorant) bidding. Since it didn't do magical miracles they believe it should have, they conclude it doesn't exist. It's true: the magical genie that would do their bidding does not exist. However, it's no less true that physicists and other scientists acknowledge that an OmniSCIENT Prime Source Singularity created the universe and established its unerring and perfectly logical laws and that those unerring and perfectly logical laws reflect the Nature of their Creator. Tehilim most eloquently describes this Creator, ha-Sheim of Torah--the "Life's Manual" handed down by this Creator to Mosheh and Benei-Yisraeil at Har Sinai. Denying the existence of the OmniSCIENT Prime Source Singularity is plain ignorant--particularly when it's because the Creator didn't do Charles' hateful bidding. If Charles didn't have such a ridiculously medieval and ignorant (anti-scientific) view of "g-d" he wouldn't be an atheist. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (Teimani, Baladi, Dor Daim, Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jew geirim)
17. Diversity of talkbacks
us guys   (07.07.10)
is always enjoyable, until we see the same boring two (so far) 'it's all about me' regulars. They seem to still need to convince THEMSELVES of their weak 'me me me' slipped discs(lol). The rest thankfully, have learnt to simply ignore them by not answering ( 'cos you've all probably fallen asleep...) You two bore us, and that's the worst sin of all. Regards, all of us (-U2)
18. 16 . The baptist missionary ! TRY # 2 !!
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.07.10)
for you , a baptist minister , the Omniscient prime source must be a "god" . That's your way of , deceiving , thinking . For me not , as for me such a thing does not exist . Regarding the Shoa , you , a goy , haven't experienced it , so you better shut up . Regarding this "non intervention , four possibilities for this "god" : no power , not want to stop it , want it to happen , but most probably : does not exist . You are a "believer" in what ? Deceiving people with your fake conversion and heading ? Telling lies ? that's your "belief" for sure .
19. jake USA . 6 million did'nt see anything !
Bar ,   Israel   (07.07.10)
20. 17 diversity vs defense
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.07.10)
I can only speak for myself. I'm not the one who initiates going off on these tedious tangents. But when I'm attacked by numerous personal ad hominems and slanders, having nothing to do with the topic of the article (!), attributing straw men to me, and I have to defend against each, ma la-asot? In fact, as #13 documented here, I'm even attacked when I haven't posted anything at all!!! I assure you, no one finds this more tedious and simple-minded than I do. Do you expect me to ignore slander and allow many readers who don't know any better to assume I have no answers or documentation? Silence, in the mind of many goyim, perhaps even some Jews, would be interpreted as having no answer. Surely, you would not expect me to stop defending myself? When I argue against Mike for being a Christian, Mike admits he's a Christian. My arguments are based on a valid premise and factual documentation, not slander. When I argue against atheism, Charles admits he's an atheist. My arguments are based on a valid premise and factual documentation, not slander. By contrast, I am not what Mike or Charles (or Keren, etc.) accuse me of being, I do NOT teach what Charles or Mike (or Keren, etc.) accuse me of teaching and no credible evidence exists that would stand up in a beit din or civil court in support of their allegations. They distort me into a straw man I'm not--exactly like the Roman Hellenists created Yesh"u in the first place! Yet, ynet posts these attacks against me with relish while routinely--and my attempts (3 so far) to respond to the unprompted attack by 13 today is a case in point--refuses to post my defense, sometimes until the article goes off the front page. Is ynet not complicit in stirring that pot? Perhaps the answer is to address the problem of slanderers--purveyors of false accusations, ad hominems and straw men? Perhaps it would help to require these impugners to quote verbatim proof of their allegations, document them with citations and identify themselves so that they can be held accountable for their allegations. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (Teimani, Baladi, Dor Daim, Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jew geirim)
21. 17 - where else can i talk with the loon?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (07.07.10)
cant comment on his blog, he doesn't permit dissenting views. and he usually is the only commenter on his own(!) posts, if there are any comments on his unreadable blog. what's a goy to do for entertainment? it's not like anyone else comments on the article anyway.
22. NR 17.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (07.07.10)
DO YOU MEAN DIVERSITY/JERKING, OF OPINIONS ???. WELL - TRUTH IS ONE AND NOT IN DIVERSITY./JERKING. TO SPREAD ONES CONSCIOUSNESS TO ALL KINDS OF OPINIONS, ONLY MEANS ONE IS UNEXPERINCED, AND HAS UNMATURITY AND UNSECURITY OF INSIGHT. AND I AM GLAD NOT TO HAVE TO CONVINCE/CONVERSATE YOU, AS THE SPLIT MIND YOU SEEMS TO BEE IN MY OPINION. THRUTH IS SIMPLE, FOR THE ONE/SIMPLE/WHOLE OF HEART. Arn.
23. Talula , you should learn Judaism
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.07.10)
the best way to combat your enemies [ the religious are your's ! ] is to know them . So study Torah !
24. 13 Obsession is showing (4th try)
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (07.07.10)
NT in one hand and an English dictionary--that he has cited as Orthodox authority (LOL)--in the other, this self-admitted Christian pontificates to Jews what we recognize. Typical Xn arrogance toward Jews. Jews have no problem recognizing Teimani halakhah, which is what I advocate. 13 is a self-acknowledged Christian, obsessed with me and the Netzarim because I and the Netzarim have proven through historical documentation that his Yesh"u, his Christianity and the Church and the Pope are all false: 135 C.E. antinomian (anti-Torah) and displacement theology counterfeits of the historical 1st-century pro-Torah Pharisee-Netzarim Ribi and his pro-Torah Netzarim followers. If we weren't an existential threat to his Christianity he wouldn't be so desperate. His desperation shows in his obsession with attacking me and the Netzarim because the historically true Pharisee-Netzarim Ribi Yehoshua told Jews to keep Torah according to Halakhah, NEVER Christianity. What's the name of your friend, #13, who--you admitted--defrauded Orthodox rabbis and you continue to hide from us? This is the same kind of "secret Christian Orthodox Jew" charlatans that Christians claim in their blogs as a nucleus seed here that they expect to grow into their "Jewish Church" that worships Yesh"u. Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer (Teimani, Baladi, Dor Daim, Orthodox Jew) Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jew geirim)
25. No. 5
Harry ,   Jerusalem   (07.07.10)
Charles, Charles, Charles. The same foolish, selfish question, 'Where was God". Where we YOU? Always ready to blame everyone else but YOURSELF. I don't remember, God having to report to you. You see, Judaism is about living and adhering to the Torah. It simply says in black and white, "If you follow Gods rules, you will be rewarded, if not, like everything else in this world, there will be consequences. The rest is History, that people do not want to learn from. The actions of Israeli's today are an outright brazen, disgraceful acts towards the Almighty. History can not repeat itself .
26. #5 Always that wrong question !!!!!
avi   (07.07.10)
some never learn ... this is the one & only one question: "Where was MAN during the Shoah ?"
27. NR 20.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (07.07.10)
Perhaps it would help to require these impugners to quote verbatim proof of their allegations, document them with citations and identify themselves so that they can be held accountable for their allegations. YOU HAVE A POINT HERE !!!. THEY SELDOM OR NEVER IDENTIFYE THEMSELVES, BUT ACT AS SNIPERS. AND SNIPERS IN WAR, IF THEY ARE GET HOLD ON BY THEIR ENEMIES, ARE USUALLY EXECUTED.' GOD BLESS !!!. Arn.
28. Harry 25
Charles ,   Petach Tiukva   (07.07.10)
Youi wrote : if you follow god's rules you will be rewarded . Millions who followed your "rules" were rewarded with the gaz chambers . Where i was : Hiding because i did'nt wanted to be rewarded this way
29. Avi 26 , Always no response
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.07.10)
Some never learn to answer . But i don't believe in a man , you believe in a god .
30. To # 20 . Slander ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.07.10)
Did you , or did you not , have this heading [ ministry of absorption ] on your website ? Did you , or did you not , receive the Blessings of the Chief Rabbi ? When i say that you had this heading , when i say that you did'nt receive the Blessings of the Chief Rabbi , i'm NOT slandering you . It's true ! I'm not ther deceiving personn , i'm not a LIAR . It's YOU Mr Van .....
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