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Is Temple Mount in our hands?
Efraim Halevy
Published: 07.07.10, 23:56
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31. My Response to Jameela, Zvi (#20) & Alex (#28)
Tom W. ,   Windsor, Canada   (07.09.10)
First to Zvi, I am a Jew but I’ve learned about Islam through eyes and words of Muslim apostates. These people aren’t Muslim haters; they are people who have woken up to the true facts about their religion. These people write personal accounts on their awakenings to the actual horrors of Muhammad’s words and actions, they (NOT ME) quote the Koran and the Hadiths to rebuke the lies (and the contradictions) they been fed about him. To Alex, no it’s you who is biblically illiterate to the fact that the covenant between G-d and Abraham extends through Isaac not Ishmael, I suggest you read Genesis chapter 17 slowly! And Yes, Abraham was the father of many nations via Sarah, Hagar and Keturah (who everyone seems to forget); once again I suggest you read Genesis 25:1-6! Abraham gives gifts to the sons of his concubines but sends them away eastward, away from Isaac who is THE SOLE HEIR to the land of Canaan! To Jameela, regarding your nonsensical post #19, it looks like it’s you who is the historical revisionist. The mosque that you refer to is called the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which was meant to establish that this was the farthest mosque that Muhammad flew to on his mythical donkey (Al-Buraq)! What you say is complete nonsense about respecting King Solomon, your Islamic leaders deny that a Jewish Temple ever existed! So pray tell, why would Muslims build a structure in honour of Solomon’s Temple when Muslims deny the very existence of the Temple in the first place? Also the second Jewish exile wasn’t ended by Muslims, it was ended by Cyrus the Great, a Persian Zoroastrian emperor! It was the Romans that destroyed the Second Temple, building the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock didn’t bring Jews back, they were built on the basis of Islamic triumphalism! The problem with your post #19, is that it epitomizes the complete lack of historical and religious facts that the average Muslim is taught. Also you like most Muslims unfortunately possess arguments that automatically contract themselves; this is the basis on which many Islamic apostates begin to finally awaken from their stupor about their religion! By the way, once again you been fed a bunch of bull, the Torah never ever mentions that Jerusalem would be a city for many faiths! It’s time to wake up now Jameela!!!
32. #2 - The point you miss is it is NOT
Doug ,   Rochester, USA   (07.09.10)
in Israel. E. Jeruselam is being illegally occupied and its people oppressed, homes and land confiscated and people expelled from their own land. No one is telling Israel what to do in Tel Aviv. The world is just saying get the hell out of the illegally occupied territories.
33. Alex: 28, Thank, it's exactly what I meant. Shalom :)
Jameela   (07.09.10)
34. To awake 1.5 billion Muslims to march to beloved Jeryusalem
TAHRIR QUDS ALYAHUDI   (07.09.10)
Abdel,Muslims dont have any right whatsoever with the land of Israel or its capital Jerusalem. I am sure you read your holy book which says 'YA BNEI ISRAIL' and JERUSALEM is the city of our KINGS SOLOMON & DAVID.Can you please answer the following; Who are these people BNEI ISRAIL Who are these two KINGS. Are they Muslims,Arabs,Christians,Hindus,Chinese,Jews or what. Secondly,JERUSALEM is not mentioned even once and Mohammed never set foot in Jerusalem.Muslims now claiming Mohammed went to heaven from Jerusalem,may be VIA MECCA OR MEDINA. Your holy place is in Mecca and your land is in ARABIA. ISRAEL AND ITS CAPITAL JERUSALEM WILL ALWAYS BE JEWISH WITH OR WITHOUT MUSLIMS & WORLD APPROVAL. END OF STORY
35. Unfortunately,today everything is in your hands
JUDAH THE LION   (07.09.10)
RIGHTLY SO.As Mecca in your hands Israel and its capital JERUSALEM MUST BE IN JEWISH HANDS.YOU DONT HAVE ANY CLAIM ON THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
36. Jerusaleem
Christian Priest ,   Rome   (07.09.10)
As Mecca and Medina is the holy exclusive to Islam then Jerusalem is the holy place exclusive to the Jews
37. #1
Yoav ,   Germany   (07.09.10)
says an American! hilarious
38. #19 #28 G-D said Nations NOT RELIGIONS!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.09.10)
There is a major difference! Nations are peoples. Religions are religious beliefs.
39. #1 - Ojibwa and Dakota Indian Tribes From Minnesota
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (07.09.10)
Steve, Didn't you learn anything when you attended University of Minnesota-Duluth? Jews have been in the Middle East from the beginning of time - mine fled from Tiberias during the Ottoman Empire and moved to Egypt - then fled from Egypt back to their homeland in 49. You, however, are living on land stolen from the native tribes and the Europeans (I certainly qualify) that conquered America, have zero historical ties to North America. Get your facts straight.
40. Temple Mount
Scott ,   Houston USA   (07.09.10)
Me too Kitty I would like to know also. I am a Christian and I will always stand up for Israel. The dirt tells the story of the Jews. Just dig anywhere and one can see History of the Jews.
41. temple mount
vilhelm ,   us   (07.09.10)
It is a futile effort to negotiate with the muslims. It will only extend their goal of wiping out Israel!
42. Wake up call
Clayton ,   Florida, USA   (07.09.10)
Just a quick note before I say my piece, it's deplorable to use the 'no concept of ownership' argument to excuse what happened to the Native Americans. There's no concept of ownership for the air we breathe, but that doesn't mean I should take it from you if I want it. As for the issue at hand, I'm not looking for an argument. Anyone posting here has already made up their mind and only a fool debates with a statue. My only purpose is to offer a head's up, if you will. In my opinion (emphasis: opinion) biblical prophecy is quite clear that a war is indeed coming to this region and one side will fall and fall hard. The catch is it won't be Israel. God honors his covenant with Abraham. Don't take my word for it. Take a look at Israel's history since its rebirth as a nation. Every attempt to thwart that covenant has failed, and there have been a great many. I'll leave it each individual to decide why. Do I want war? No, of course not, but I'm not in control. I think most people can agree, though, that the man that tries to possess everything will end up losing all he has. I'll leave on a personal note so no one has to ask: Yes, I am a Christian. Some may want to hate me or others for their various beliefs, but I am taught to love my fellow human beings. Disagree in faith, but love the person regardless. It can be hard, but like anything else you have to want to do it. Hate doesn't change minds, it only destroys.
43. #30 God loves Israel
Ellen ,   USA   (07.09.10)
and the Jewish people. Everything that happens in this Holy place is for one purpose only...to fulfill prophesy and show God's beloved people that He is their God and still in control. It appears that in Rev. 11:1&2 that the temple will share that mount will the Gentiles for a short period of time. This whole scenerio reminds me of David and Goliath. God's chosen should say again, "who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?" So, just like David and later Johathan, the son of Shimeal defeated these "six toed" infidels, the "Palestinians" will be defeated and all their infidel brothers by the Lion of the tribe of Judah.
44. #31TomW - So Judaism should be learnt from apostates then?
Hannah ,   L Angeles , USA   (07.09.10)
Tom W, you said: “ I am a Jew but I’ve learned about Islam through eyes and words of Muslim apostates.” You’re saying people should learn Judaism from Israel Shamir who is another Jewish apostate? or Andrew Winkler of rebelnews.org a Jewish apostate? or Paul of Thesarus
45. My Response to Hannah (#44)
Tom W. ,   Windsor, Canada   (07.10.10)
Hannah, what an insipid smart alec question! Whenever I rebuke Muslims, I do so by what I’ve learnt from Muslim apostates because it’s these people who grew up with this religion and it’s from them that the authentic truth comes out. We are in a phase that has seen Islam go from being under the radar of the average Westerner to being an intrusive presence in our societies in just this past decade. Backed primarily by Saudi money, a very specific Islamic agenda has taken hold which funds: Islamic lobby groups, Muslim students to study at Western University while pushing for special Islamic rights to accommodate their religious needs, a wave of (mega) mosque building, Muslims living in the West to push for Sharia law and all these acts of terrorism against civilians! The reason why I and the rest of the world need to listen to Muslim apostates is so we can learn why we’re suddenly finding ourselves swamped in a culture of Islam. Most importantly, the defenders of Islam like to label Westerners that stand-up to the Muslim agenda as people who suffer from Islamophobia. However by learning about Islam from former Muslims, I become empowered to rebuke the lies thrown in my face by Muslims who tow the party line. Judaism unlike Islam does not divide the world up into either the house of Judaism or the house of war. A cabal of rich Jews in Israel aren’t funding the building of mega synagogues all around the world. Israeli students aren’t studying in Western universities demanding that special rooms be set aside for them to pray (in the direction of Jerusalem). Jewish lobby groups aren’t demanding that Western governments allow their Jewish citizens be judged by special rabbinical courts that abide by Talmudic law. The reason why Judaism does not need to be understood by Jewish apostates is due to the fact that unlike Islam, Judaism isn’t pushing itself into Christian and Muslim based societies via Jewish extremist ideologues. Judaism isn’t being twisted and corrupted by a powerful elite that are attempting to shove their religious school of thought down the throats of Westerns and most importantly, there are no Jewish terrorists blowing themselves up (yelling the G-d of Israel is great)! So Hannah stop trying to be a smug smart-ass, you are already knew the answer to your question and I resent your implication that I’ve done something wrong in gaining my knowledge of Islam through Muslim apostates!
46. to #32 Doug....supreme irony
Haim ,   Jerusalem   (07.10.10)
Doug, Israel is not illegally occupying any land. In the 1948 arb war against ISrael, Syrua illegally occupied the Golan Heights , Jordan Judea and Samaria and Egpyt Israel's southern coastal plain-Gaza(from where they went on to hurl missles and shells on the rest of Israel). It was partially liberated in 1967 after 19 years of occupation. You Doug, ironically, are in fact occupying native American land while I as a Jew in my native land the land of ISrael where Jews have lived for 4,000 years am at home. The Arabs are from a place called the Arabian Penisnsula. From where they went on their buthering crusades of conquest, conversion by the sword -expanist imperialism which is part of Islam. They are just the latest illegal sqwatters, The Brittish did, The turks did the same thing, the Euro-crusaders did, the Romans did, the Hellenists did, The babylonians did. Learn some history, learn facts not propaganda and stop throwng stones from a glass house.
47. Wafk Guidebook 1925
jlb ,   Toledo   (07.11.10)
The Muslim council in the past recognized Solomons stables on page 16 of the guidebook, easily downloadable @http://www.templeinstitute.org/wakf-1925-guidebook.htm.
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