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Fatah official: Jerusalem is ticking time bomb
Ronen Medzini
Published: 11.07.10, 20:10
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1. Zippy and Qureia, cute couple.
Ken Quinn ,   Amsterdam   (07.11.10)
2. Inflammitory words once again from the PA
iOberver and News ,   US   (07.11.10)
It is almost absurd to listen to the rhetoric of the palestinians whether they be from the PA, hamas or hezbollah; they're all as bad as the Iranian leader who spouts the most absurd statements that makes him a joke to the rest of the world. The palestinian leadership does not want peace: they're playing the waffling game they've always played, even under arafat. While the people themselves may be leaning towards peace...even a one state solution; the events of the last 10 years have revealed that the arabs are not to be trusted as they cooperate with the terrorists, betray the name of Israel and endanger the lives of Israelis as a result. It seems that the ONLY way to true peace is to expel the majority of palestinians completely from the land...a move that would isolate Israel tremendously. Poor Israel has been demonized, betrayed, abused verbally and physically: I wonder if the world thinks we will tolerate this much longer. No other nation in the world would have waited so long to respond with complete annexation of lands and expulsion of its squatters: why should Israel? They won the wars, the land was always theirs...the time is coming for Israel to make its final stand. Enough is enough.
3.  One Jerusalem one Israel, no division at all!
Mikha   (07.11.10)
If the arabs have respect for themselves, then they should not ask for what they cant get or realistically impossible to share.Jerusalem has seen many mighty men,conquerers and empires come and go.The glory of Jerusalem was when the Israel lived with God and King and His servant David reigned.The so called time bomb is a simplistic view of survival of the arabs jorney in and out of Canaan.Why should the arabs adopt the fate of the philistines-enemies of Israel while there is so much land occupied by arabs in the middle east.Squeezing Israel out is a wicked plan.God of History brought the Jews in Canaan and used them to drive out the Nephilim,Anakim,Zamzumin and those who practice sacrifice of their children for their selfish goals.Muslims will never know peace until they acknowledge and recognize Israel.If they choose war then we welcome the near dawn of an epoch without Islam...AMEN
4. No such thing as West Bank or east Jerusalem!
period   (07.11.10)
Only Judea & Samaria!
5. these threats show only transfer can work
Golan ,   modiin   (07.11.10)
Land for peace is a failure. The only solution now is population transfer.
6. Israel never promised to stop in Jerusalem
Eric ,   Tel Aviv & New York   (07.11.10)
Qureia can complain all he wants , but Israel never said we would stop building in Jerusalem, and Israel has has given many things to the Palestinians towards peace: - Security control over area A - Security Control over area B - All of Gaza All Israel has gotten back: - Refusal to sign a peace deal - 7 years of rockets from Gaza - Thousands dead in suicide bombings - More incitement in Palestinians schools - Streets and plazas named for suicide bombers - Active resistance to Israel joining world bodies - Active attempts to arrest and try Israeli leaders around the world - Active attacks in the UN, the Non-Proliferation Treaty review meeting, the Darfur meetings 1 and 2 Lets see some Palestinian or even Arab trust building activity.
7. #4
Ollie   (07.11.10)
you are an immature child. there will always be different opinions and the only way out is for each to concede something, period
8. To: No. 7
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.12.10)
You are the immature one. The Arabs attacked Israel no fewer than six times. Israel prevailed each time. The Palestinian Arabs have engaged in over sixty years of unrelenting terror against innocent Jewish civilians, both in Israel and abroad. The Palestinian Arabs were on three separate and distinct occasions offered a two-state solution -- including one which would have given them over 90% of the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a capital. They rejected all three. In the meantime, none of the thirty-odd organizations which each purport to be the true sole representative of the Palestinian people have repudiated their charters, each of which call for the destruction of the State of Israel and the extermination and/or expulsion of the Jewish people. None of these organizations has acknowledged the right of the State of Israel to exist in its ancient homeland. And you talk about concessions? Israel has made many concessions, and offered even more. All have been rejected by the Palestinians. The Palestinians want the whole thing. That is why they will end up with nothing. They have never made a single concession. They are a vanquished people, and it is high damn time that Israel started treating them as such.
9. Jerusalem - a CUP of trembling to the nations
Selah   (07.12.10)
10. Jerusalem
David Segal ,   Philadelphia, USA   (07.12.10)
Hey, Ahmed. What part of "No" don't you understand? Israel agreed to negotiate about Jerusalem in the Oslo Accords, but not to divide it. All the Palestinians can hope for is access for their legitimate interests in the city.
11. Jerusalem
tz   (07.12.10)
He's right, but he's reading the wrong book...he won't find truth in the Koran. But he will in the Jewish prophets - Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah....The G-d of Israel spoke through a donkey too.
12. #8
Ollie   (07.12.10)
Sarah, my comment dealt specifically with the fact that "period" used the terms Judea & Samaria. Whatever historical basis there is to use these names, currently the reason one uses these names is to obviously state that they do not agree with / believe in the 2 state solution. Even if I agreed with your blanket statement that the "Palestinians want the whole thing", which i do not, "period" is simply exhibiting the same black and white stance. Today, when one uses the terms "Judea & Samaria" they are showing their belief that the Palestinians should not, under any circumstances, have a land of there own within all or part of the land they are claiming. It is obvious that even you would support a fair two-state solution (what "fair" is can be debated). I will not deny that the Palestinians have in the past not been ready, and this can be argued. But "period", by using the terms she/he uses, is owning a claim that the Palestinians have no claim to any of this land, irrespective of where the borders will end up. Now, that is completely different from what you are doing. You are making points to what needs to be done, fairly, to come to a 2 state solution-and while you and I may not agree where exactly the line you end up, I think we each believe there should be a line. No?
13. If the Arabs really wanted to advance peace they would state
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (07.12.10)
here and now, in Arabic, Hebrew and English that they do accept: 1) Israel's RIGHT to be - not merely the fact that it is - to exist as the nation-state of the Jewish people 2) A peace treaty with Israel will be considered the "end of the conflict" The Arabs categorical refusal to accept either one of these two simple matters, which are incidentally based on UN resolutions, makes one wonder: what is the real long term goal of the Arabs...??
14. to #12 ollie JUDAH and Samaria is the original
ghostq   (07.12.10)
ancient name of the place, it's not political stance, just because palis change name of places it doesn't mean they places been changed, silowan is shilom, old Hizkaia jewish king who built the area. th eoriginal jewish names still exist, if you erea the past of places you will never now what really happened. if you want the two state solution the arab population from Israel should be included, one state to every people, but unfortunatly arabs don't like to hear that, but it's only right.
15. To: No. 12
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.12.10)
Wrong. I do not believe in a two-state solution. There already is a two-state solution. Jordan is a Palestinian state. Period. Full stop. Six wars and sixty-two years of combatting Palestinian terror has to count for something. Judea and Samaria belong to Israel. They were acquired in the course of fighting a defensive war against Jordan. Jordan attacked; Jordan lost. Too bad. I see absolutely no reason to reward terrorism and to reward Palestinian violence and intransigence by carving up Israel. Jordan was carved out of territory which was part of the Palestine Mandate. That's your Palestinian state. Judea and Samaria will be annexed, and since Israel does not want to extend citizenship -- and voting rights -- to the terrorist rabble that are the Palestinians living in Judea and Samaria, they will have to leave. Besides, they -- and their progeny -- were accorded Jordanian citizenship IRREVOCABLY by King Hussein in 1950. Repatriate them. They are not wanted, and Israel will not give up one single hectare of Judea and Samaria. That's where the line belongs.
16. Havent you read the History.
wajid ,   India   (07.12.10)
Just have a look at History, you will have your answer, who will survive and who won’t. You are their just because of dammed Arabs royal else it’s just a matter of hour to wipe you out from map. Any how this will happen it’s just a matter of time. You have never won in History and nor will be in Future. AMEN.....
17. #15
Ollie   (07.12.10)
Do u honestly and truly believe that the West Bank and East Jer will be annexed, all of it? Irrespective of your what you think "should" happen, do you really believe that will happen? Second, again, I go back to my immaturity point: "That's your Palestinian state" "too bad"..you sound like a 3 yr old fighting for your ice cream, are you able to debate this subject w/o anger (no doubt triggered by fear) and a need to degrade the other person?
18. #15
Ollie   (07.12.10)
As an example of how illogical your stance is (again, not right or wrong, just not very practical based on the reality of the situation and the evidence of the past, get beyond what you want for one sec., and review simply based on logic). You say never happen, period, full stop..etc, etc. But I assume you also said this about Gaza, no? I do not support Hamas but Israel pulled out 100% from Gaza, about 9000 Israeli settlers were forced out by their own country. Does that not already neutralize your supposed facts of what will happen?
19. Ollie - Sarah wants a 1 state muslim israel, leave it
(07.12.10)
20. Sarah
Ollie   (07.12.10)
You see Sarah, this is what I am referring to about, comments from people like wajid #16 "matter of hour to wipe you out from map"...what an idiot, I have no idea what he is trying to say, yet it is filled with illogical, non reality based, emotions.... Really, how can you say with that "it will not happen".."it", ie. Israel pulling out of settlement land, has already happened in Gaza. I suppose it's understandable that when emotion takes over, logic is gone. Please try to stop always falling weakly back on your emotions and try to look at the reality, just the simple, "facts on the ground", a term I'm sure you are familiar with.
21. Sarah
#19   (07.12.10)
Sarah is just not practical. Even the Shin Bet is visiting West Bank cities at the invite of the PA...Sarah, allow yourself to see some of the truth (and try to hold back on the emotion...) "Shin Bet security service head Yuval Diskin recently spent a day in the West Bank city of Jenin as a guest of the Palestinian Authority's security service."
22. #21
Ollie   (07.12.10)
in the interest of full disclosure, comment 21 was me, just a typo :)
23. To: No. 20
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.12.10)
Yes, Israel pulled out of Gaza, and you see the result. But it was a good preview for the world to appreciate what self-determination means to Palestinians. It means crumbling infrastructure, political infighting among the many, many individual Palestinian organizations, most of whom are rejectionist and would present a continued threat to Israel. In addition, Judea and Samaria are now the home of quite a few Jewish settlers, and any attempt to dislodge them would tear Israel apart emotionally. So they will not be dislodged. Moreover, Israel simply needs that territory as a buffer. Finally -- as you say -- "facts on the ground." Following the Second World War, did the Allies allow Germany to set terms and conditions for ANYTHING? Of course not! Following that same war, did the United States allow Japan to set terms and conditions for ANYTHING? Of course not! And that was just one war. Contemplate the fact that Israel has had to fight six major wars -- all started by the Arabs, and won by Israel -- and has had to endure sixty-two years of Palestinian terror. I call your attention to the fact that most of the international community regards the six Northern Ireland counties to be "disputed territory." Most people in the world saw the provos as "freedom fighters." Clearly, the U.K. didn't much care about the world's thoughts and perceptions, because the last I checked, those six counties are part of England. And the provos are still considered terrorists. Those are the facts on the ground.
24. To: No. 21
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.12.10)
Yes, I know. I also know that Diskin went armed to the teeth and with a six-man equally armed escort. What does that tell you, oh anonymous one?
25. #24
Ollie   (07.13.10)
What? Sarah, u r weird... Getting back to reality: Netanyahu hints at flexibility on Jerusalem. Netanyahu: “Everybody knows that there are Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem that under any peace plan will remain where they are,” The implication of Netanyahu’s remark -- that other neighborhoods of Jerusalem may not remain “where they are,” becoming part of an eventual Palestinian state -- was the first hint that the Israeli leader may be flexible on the subject of Jerusalem. You own leaders are admitting it.
26. To: No. 25
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.13.10)
Oh, sweetheart, I am the furthest thing you can imagine from "weird." For starters, I spell out the English language, I do not use letters to convey meaning. (Hello. Can you spell inarticulate?) That said, may I point out to you that Netanyahu is no fool. He is simply putting the ball back into the Palestinian court -- allowing them to display their intransigence and stupidity on the international stage, for the world to view. No Israeli leader will EVER be flexible on the issue of Jerusalem. Jews have prayed for the peace of Jerusalem for far too long. Jews have longed for a return to Jerusalem for far longer. Sorry. We're playing the "Palestinians" for the dupe that they are. Bear with us. The "Palestinians" are not long for this mortal coil. In fact, they never even existed until their invention following the Six-Day War. <> Ollie -- hate to tell you this, but you WOULD most DEFINITELY benefit from a history course -- or two, or three. You're not exactly "current" on current events. Have a REALLY nice day.
27. #26
Ollie   (07.13.10)
Regardless of your position on the Israeli / Palestinian issue, why do you feel the need to put down an entire people with words such as 'stupidity'? Do you truly feel all Palestinians are 'stupid'?
28. To: No. 27
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.14.10)
Yes. What other word is there to describe turning down a two-state solution which would have given them 90% of the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a capital? Smart, it wasn't.
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