Eiland report finds 'mistakes, but no failures'
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 12.07.10, 17:30
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1. :: "no failures, but mistakes were made"
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.12.10)
Regardless of the fact that this internal investigation is a whitewash it acknowledges that "mistakes were made" – I trust that Israel will now apologize to Turkey for these ‘mistakes’.
2. What a load of BS.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (07.12.10)
Just a bunch of jobnik bureaucrats covering their collective tuchas.
3. #
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.12.10)
Apologize ? not in your lifetime.
4. :: Flawed report
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.12.10)
“the report says, led the committee to conclude that the activists on deck had been the first instigators of violence.” From what I recall watching the pro-Israeli YouTube vids of this attack the vid entitled ‘UNSEEN FOOTAGE GAZA FLOTILLA TIMELINE’ you see the IDF trying to board the ship from smaller high-speed boats *before* they try landing on the ship via helicopter. In this first attempt the IDF fire their paintball guns at the people on the ship, in the non-pro-Israeli vids which include audio (which the pro-Israeli vids leave out) you can hear the near continuous firing of paintball guns. In the aforementioned pro-Israeli YouTube vids you can clearly seen non-violent civilians near the side of the ship ducking to avoid the paintballs fired from the IDF boats below. It would seem that it was in fact the IDF who first used violence well before they boarded the ship. Of course I would not expect such a self-serving report to mention this fact.
5. @ #1: you intentionally miss the point
rattled american ,   Miami, USA   (07.12.10)
The report concludes that one of the mistakes made by high ranking Israeli officers was the lack of consideration of Turkey's hostile stance towards Israel. This hostility led Turkey to encouraging, aiding and abetting a violent force within the flotilla. That does not constitute reason for Israel to apologize to Turkey. If you read the papers, you will notice that Germany has come out as labeling the IHH as a terrorist-related organization because of IHH's close relationship with Hamas. So Israel did make errors in judgment dealing with the IHH. But the blame for the violence lies squarely on IHH, and therefore on Turkey.
6. Flotilla Report
M Carr ,   Baltimore   (07.12.10)
After reviewing these preliminary findings from the report my conclusion is that it is time for Israel to purge their upper political, intel and military echelons. Since Cast Lead Erdogan has sent very clear signals as to his intentions as far as relations with Israel. He did not mince his words or disguise his displeasure. Why Israeli intelligence services failed to direct more attention toward the Turks is beyond me. The article does not explain the reason for the strange tactics the military used. I may have missed it but what was the purpose of the paintball guns again? Unless the balls contained some sort of immobilizing gas this one needs further explanation. The tactic of dropping troops from helicopters by rope into the middle of hostile mobs is another baffler. This choice of tactics is the direct cause of the operation spinning out of control. The originator of these ideas needs to be exposed. It is a miracle that none of the commandos were killed or captured. As for the political, the Israeli voters will make the necessary corrections. The left in Israel have had their day. Unfortunately, there remains enough of a remnant to do further damage. I know they remain influential because I see the signs. Who else would sign off on the use of such awful tactics.
7. You failed to disable the ship without landing the troops
Lemmings Hotline ,   sd usa   (07.12.10)
8. turkey is the one that owes the apology
Amit ,   haifa   (07.12.10)
no ally country organize ship with terrorists and weapons to provoke its ally. I sleep better when i know that these terrorists are dead,and I'm certain that those that were killed weren't peace activists,maybe IHH activists.
Ian ,   Newcastle upon Tyne,   (07.12.10)
Matty Groves has really twisted this report to suit his hatred for Israel. The IDF made the mistake of presuming that so-called peace activists on what they called a charitable mission would themselves be peaceful people. That was a SERIOUS mistake because the mission was dominated by terrorist camp-following thugs who had taken hundreds of dupes,including a baby,along with them as their human shields. Given that these thugs sailed with the encouragement of the Turkish government which still supports them,it's the Turkish government that should be apologising for the homicidal violence of its nationals against the IDF on its legal mission. The Turkish government has shredded its own reputation. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!
10. Israel loses Turkey, gains Greece as strategic partner
Secular Beast   (07.12.10)
11. Now why am I not surprised?
GUH   (07.12.10)
This is too hilarious. Failures, mistakes, whatever, you are guilty and everybody knows that. Spare us your "investigations," because they are all partial, flawed, and maliciously self-righteous.
12. #1 Matty Groves
Albrecht Klein ,   Germany   (07.12.10)
You mean like "We want to apologize for not realizing that our former ally has turned into a bunch of Islamic thugs."? This would be honest, but I don't think, Erdogan the Great wants to hear this.
13. Just let the gazuns know you are going to nuke them first.
Moshe ,   Usa   (07.12.10)
Then tell them you will inspect the ships in turkey first & if approved they can go to gaza as long as they don't meet other ships on the way & go non stop. Moshe
DAVID ,   EILAT   (07.12.10)
sink the boats slowly let all the goods go down under and then life boats to pick up the passangers, it will never happen again
15. What?
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (07.12.10)
You lower soldiers via rope equipped with nothing more than paint-ball rifles into the waiting arms of pipe-wielding, violent anti-Semites only to get beaten up and thrown overboard when they hit the deck of the ship - and you call that a "mistake"? That was a serious tactical blunder. And Israel couldn't have figured out a way of disabling the ships without boarding them - like knocking out the engines or drenching the boats with tons of gefilte fish yoich or something like that rather than endanger those poor commandos limbs and lives? Who approved this raid? Why hasn't E. Barak been fired?
16. Slithy Toves #1
Stephen in New York ,   New York   (07.13.10)
Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe Jabberwocky, Lewis Carroll Apologize for what, Slithy Toves?
17. no 1
hebrew prophet ,   israel   (07.13.10)
You,re missing the point ,by miles ,Matty ,the fact of a civilian ruled secular state appointing a commission into it,s military but civilian society forces ,so what,s the Turkish Islamist fascist controlled govt. doing about it,s civilian society forces ,the perpetrators of heinous crimes against the Kurds ?
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