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Turkey: Israeli troops committed crime
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Published: 13.07.10, 18:34
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1. Whine, whine
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.13.10)
Turkey needs to shut up already. No one's listening, anyway. Of course, if Turkey is prepared to answer for REAL war crimes as committed against the Armenians, Greek Cypriots and, of course, the ongoing crimes against humanity which Turkey is perpetrating against innocent Kurdish civilians, that might garner some attention. But they won't. Turkey's not an honest broker; never has been, never will be. That's why no one takes Turkey seriously.
2. Turkey is digging its own diplomatic grave by accusing
Peter ,   Germany   (07.13.10)
Israel ceaselessly. I know we, Europeans, are sick and tired of the Turks and all indications are America is getting there fast. But the T urks still don't get it. Perhaps since their alliance with Iran and Syria is assured and their drive to re-establish the Ottoman Sultanate is a major motive, they continue to spew anti-Israel hate statement. My friendly suggestion to the Turks - my wife is of Turkish ancestry - is, stop it already.
3. Turkey
jeremy ,   hula valley   (07.13.10)
What more does Turkey want there 2 International investigations. both being run by the U.N. Both the Turks and the U.N can screw themselves
4. Israel: the Stupid Government!!!!!!!!
RayS ,   USA   (07.13.10)
As usual when attacked Israel tries to deflect the charges in Ghetto style..Instead Israel should be charging Turkey with aggressive acts, etc. ISRAEL should demand payment of damages from the Turkish government. Israel should file a complaint with the UN , etc etc etc. Israel should act like an independent country with some pride,honor,and ACTIVE defense.
5. Davutoglu "It is a crime, not a mistake."
Eric ,   Tel Aviv & New York   (07.13.10)
In the update there was an additional quote: Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu noted, "We expect them to take the appropriate measures seeing as they admitted there was misconduct. It is a crime, not a mistake." Seems that he does not know the difference between "oops we miscalculated, and should just have sunk the boat" and "we miscalculated and were brutally attacked by unexpected terrorists on the boat" Only crime here was that the ship was not sunk outright and that Israel tried to do the humane thing and board it rather than sink it.
6. IDF investigation was on logistics, not guilt
William ,   Israel   (07.13.10)
There was no crime committed by the IDF who boarded an illegal ship trying to run a legal war-time blockade. The IDF investigation cited ONLY mistakes in not knowing that ruthless Islamist terrorists from the IHH were on-board and came poorly equipped. However, one fact remains - Turkey acted criminally because they supported an illegal blockade running ship, AND their citizens acted as criminals because they were armed and attacked the IDF first. End of story.
7. November 15, 2003
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.13.10)
On November 15, 2003, two synagogues in Istanbul were bombed. The bombing destroyed Synagogue Neve Shalom, and 23 people were killed, another 260 injured, many of whom subsequently died from their injuries. The simultaneous bombing of Synagogue Bet Israel killed four people, and injured an additional sixty people, eight of whom subsequently died from their injuries. Were the perpetrators ever brought to justice? No. And Turkey is crying over nine dead terrorists aboard an illegal blockade running vessel operated by a terrorist organization. Where is the justice? Where, indeed?
8. the crime falls to those who initiated it with ...
Galut ,   selah   (07.13.10)
thier bats and iron rods....IF NO VIOLENCE ON THE SHIP BY DEMOSTRATORS THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO DEATHS OR INJURY
9. wow look at the comments !
erol ,   istanbul   (07.14.10)
I sometime read the news and comments in jewish media but never seen such a hateful comments. my ancestors would have been sorry to provide safe heaven for Jewish throughout the history. @1 sarah :all Israeli suddenly started expressing humaniterian feelings for Armenians, Greeks , Kurds .Will your feeling be same if turkey and israel be friends again since it is more important jeopolitically than armenians kurds and greeks. All the world is listening Turkey . who is your honest broker USA ? @2 Peter : you are the worlds second biggest economy but still cant say a word against israel and blame the turks for standing against the oppresion.
10. erol,istanbu
Matt   (07.14.10)
you should be the last person talking about oppression. The Kurds do not even want independence.just to be left alone to practice their own language and culture. for that they have been killed, maimed, bombed,etc. for centuries , not only by turkey but also by iran, iraq, and syria.
11. Erol from Istanbul
Alexander ,   Holland   (07.14.10)
On the same accord Erol, all Turkish are suddenly expressing humanitarian feelings towards the palestinians and the Hamas government. Will you also back the poor refugeecamps in Lebanon who were also violently attacked by the lebanese army a year ago. Fact Turkey is on a collision course with the west and Israel because it wants to! Its the new policy...
12. Erol - I always read comments in Turkish media
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.14.10)
I read Hurriyet, Milliyet, Yeni Asir (Izmir is my birthplace), Taraf, Hberturk, Sabah daily and often I check Zaman also. Compared to what I read as comments in these papers against Isrel, the vile language, the insults, what Sarah and Peter wrote are very innocent. I understand how you are upset when they mention Kurds and Armenians but in the same way you must also understand what Sarah and Peter felt when you r PM Erdogan said at Davos to Israelis. You must also understand their feelings when Recep Bey declared that israels sworn enemy Hams is not a terrorist organization. So now his boomerang is getting back at him and therefore to you too unfortunately. If you could stop thinking as a Turk and Muslim and analyze the issue between Israel and Turkey totally objectively as many of my educated, secular, modern Turkish friends and some Turkish intellectuals such as Emin Colasan, Cuneyt Ulsever, Ozdemir Ince, Ertugrul Ozkok do, you may also come to the conclusion that your PM Erdoan and FM Davutoglu are not managing this matter as they should have. Saglicakla kal Erol bey
13. Turkey Off-base
Dave ,   USA   (07.14.10)
It's past time for Turkey's military to force a change in the goverment to put some sane folks in charge. They can forget joining NATO.
14. This is becoming old and funny coming from criminal Turkey
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (07.14.10)
Hatay/Iskandur, Cyprus, Kurdistan, Armenian Holocaust, Smyrna, Trace, Constantinople
15. Israel is quickly burning all its bridges
lara ,   Australia   (07.14.10)
Soon you will have no allies, and be surrounded by a sea of enemies. To survive in a region where you are obviously not welcome, you will need to drop the excuses and accept accountability for your actions.
16. erol #9 what to see hateful comments
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (07.14.10)
Try reading your racist newspapers. Our hateful comments consist of noting that the government of Turkey committed an act of war against us and is now demanding that we punish our troops for defending themselves. End your occupation of Kurdish, and Cypriot territories. Come clean about your genocide against the Armenians. End your support of Arab and Iranian war criminals. Then and only then you can beg for our forgiveness for the crimes you have committed against us.
17. Turkey, still running off at the mouth
Avi W ,   Edison USA   (07.14.10)
These guys ( Turkey) are like a broken record. They figure if they tell themselves the same lies over and over again, sooner or later its going to become the truth. They sent THUGS in a flotila to try to break the Gaza blockade and they got whats coming to them, but they just cant accept it. Bu the more they try to convince themselves that they are right, they look like the big fools that they are. Shut up already, break relations if you need to, and go kiss up to Iran, seems thats where you are heading anyway. See ya.....
18. #9
(07.14.10)
as a turk, i find it amusing and appaling that you should blame israelis for hateful comments. have you seen the demonstrations in your country against jews and israelis???? shouts of kill all the jews, bomb their synagogues have been heard all over istanbul. you can see them plainly on youtube yourself. the burning of the israeli flag and shouts of criminal criminal could be heard from miles away.. throwing stones at the israeli embassy and keeping its israeli staff inside via turkish mob violent threats. and you talk about a couple of posters here that have 100% right to state their opinion because your government were complicit in joining the ihh, (a terrorist organization according to usa and european counsel) and encourage this terrorist group to sail to break a legal international blockade? you have some nerve to complain. also, please do not confuse yourself. your ottomans gave some refuge to jews, but under islamic law, they were relegated to second class citizens in your islamic empire. life was not so good and stable for the jews even back then in your empire. your government and the islamic party is on the wrong path. you as a turk want to associate your country with two of the world's biggest terror sponsor and terror regimes in the world? syria and iran. what possible benefit would you turks have by such an association? backwardness, poverty, instability, totalitarianism, lack of freedom, barbarity, rapes, torture, mutilation, stoning of women, lack of freedom of speech and other atrocities committed by such regimes as syria and iran. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT??? WE IRANIAN MUSLIMS CAN TELL YOU 100% THAT THE WAY IRAN IS NOW IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE TO HUMANITY AND FREEDOM AND HUMANITARIAN RIGHTS. do you want turkey to follow the same path? you have no idea what you are wishing for, my friend. THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS, MY FRIEND. THEY ARE USING THEM, AS THE ARAB NATIONS ARE USING THEM FOR 62 YEARS FOR THEIR OWN AGENDAS. if turkey cared so much for the palestinians, how come turkey never opened its mouth before 2008? the palestinians were around before 2008, do you realize this? yet, turkey and its government said nothing. they were israel's friend. the palestinians lived in the misery they created for and by themselves for 62 years because their arab brothers in all the middle east want them to live like this. israel has nothing to do with it. israel is just the excuse the arab nations use on the world political stage to deflect attention from their arab abysmal totalitarian regimes and their poor economies and human rights records. israel is the arabs' convenient scapegoat. even most iranians know this to be true. by the way, tell erdogan to stop bussing in people from the poor sections of turkey, paying them $15 to demonstrate and shout hateful slogans against jews and israel. your government had to pay people to show up for these demonstrations, you know. hameed aboughaze, iranian
19. @14 hey cowboy
deniz ulas ,   izmir   (07.14.10)
As an american you are the last person to talk about turkish crimes. Your country has commited more crimes last 100 years than all the world put together. first face your history and come clean of your racist past. We are in 21st century but your mind is still on riding horse.
20. Crime is a crime
Emre ,   Istanbul   (07.14.10)
First the flottila doesn't contian only Turkish flags, it was an International organization. You may tell that the others are not harmed but Turkish ship contained provokators thats why... But this is not true, because in this event Israel tried to revenge against Davos, humiliating the ambassador etc.. issues. Thats why they killed the Turks. They wanted to give a message that they are powerful to kill even Turkish citizens... Do not tell me provokations or so, 19 years old young boy has been killed with 5 bullets shot from brain, chest and he was also an American citizen. But USA did not even critized...Whatever the reason is crime is crime and should be punished and you will all see Turkey will punish your government soon !
21. Deniz, Izmir efesi
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.14.10)
Since in your reply to #14 you are only attacking him for what you call American crimes it seems to me that you are accepting the crimes of Turkey against Armenians and Kurds. USA has already apologized for the racial issues before 1964. The many laws established after the civil rights movement gave the African Americans equal opportunities and more in the form of mandatory quotas for African American students at universities, hiring quotas for African Americans at all federal and local government jobs etc. As you see USA has done and still continues to do substantial work in mending the ills of its past. Here is my question to you Deniz: Turkish government took away all the properties including the carpets, furniture pots and pans and a big building at Bankalar caddesi in Istanbul from my family during the Varlik Vergisi. When will Turkey apologize and give me back all that? It is easy to EFELIK TASLAMAK from your sunny and hot Izmir (or is it Cesme in summer?) .
22. #15 Bridges already burnt on one side are not worth keeping
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (07.14.10)
Admonish your Turkish brothers.
23. #19 Excellent! You are truthful in not denying your crimes
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (07.14.10)
By not refuting one fact this is an admission on your part for your horrible crimes. This is what all criminals like you do to cover up their obvious crimes. Whatever someone else did is none of your concern, look up your own nose. My #14 post is only the tip of the iceberg of your 20th and 21st centuries crimes. Turkey has a history of many centuries of terrible massacres in 3 continents and tens of millions of victims as dead witnesses. BLOODYTHIRSTY SCOT DALLAS, TEXAS
24. One more news to Emre and other urkish friends
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.14.10)
Yesterday Turkey extradited a Turkish man 28 years old named Salih S. To Germany. He is charged with terrorism and plotting to attack US targets. As you see my Turkish friends there is a group of people in Turkey that are closely linked to International Terror. Knowing the many IHH top leaders' past links to Turkish Hezbollah and IBDA-C terrorists, their support for Hamas terrorists and the fact that all other boats surrendered peacefully the Mavi Marmara was a provocation act and nothing else. Ask Bulent Yildirim for an apology and compensation.
25. Only Israel has the guts to defy Turkey
Larry ,   Los Angeles, USA   (07.14.10)
I am not Jewish, but I want to say that there is hardly anyone or any country in the world that will stand up to Turkish bullying. Turkey yells and throws temper tantrums and threatens other, but the wimps in the US and Europe back down every time. Ever noticed that? The only country that hit back hard at Turkey without apologies is Israel. Keep up the good work. Turkey will back down every time if you just call its bluff.
26. @23
inci   (07.14.10)
you say whatever someone else did is none of your concern so why are you so concerned about Turks. Eat your steak ,drink your soda and watch your TV . We are proud of our history we got nothing to regret. Winners write the history and that is what you read well actually dont think you read much i should say watch on TV. you, the lovers of armenian and kurds. young Turks movement was behind the armenian massacre and if you look carefully who had financed and started the young turks movement you will know . maybe David knows it since he is reading more turkish media than most turkish people.
27. Inci hanim - Yes I know all
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.14.10)
I know also who finances the IHH and the AKP as well as the Turkish businesses that has flourished after AKP came to power. I am well aware of the influence of the GREEN CAPITAL in Turkey. While I do agree that #23 wrote some very harsh words against Turkey that I would not support, I must also remind you that #23 is just a person that can only represent himself. On the other hand your PM Erdogan when he said what he said in Davos he represented the entire Turkish nation of 70 million that includes you. Israel also is a proud country and the Jewish people survived over 5000 years. They are very hurt of these uncalled for , false accusations from your PM. Iyi geceler Inci hanim.
28. David Israel you are correct
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (07.14.10)
I am harsh in my treatment of Turks because the facts and history of Turkey is very harsh, Kamalist period included. Slaughtering whole tribes of men after an uprising, it happened hundreds of times in the last 800 years since Turks arrived from Central Asia to civilization, beheading scores of prisoners after winning wars, massive population transfers from Europe to Arabia and vice versa, and from the Caucuses to the Middle East, the widespread custom of castration of boys, I will not elaborate since you surely know about it, enslaving millions, the severe oppression and discrimination of non-Muslims. This is in addition to what I mentioned earlier. Even if Turks are pleasant on a personal level there is a streak of collective national meanness about them, that expresses itself time and again, and it is not necessarily related to the AKP, it just provided an opportunity for them to revive it once again. In light of all this it is hard for me to understand why you see a need to come to their defense on some issues.
29. #28 it is always to have good relations with all
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (07.15.10)
And there are many great Turks with whom we should find a way of good communication so that they can bring some positive change to their country.
30. Davis covering up the truth for friendship?
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (07.15.10)
This is not such a good recipe for a long lasting friendship. When I realize that my interlocutor cannot accept facts I do not make friends with them. Arab, Turkish and Iranian friends I have argue with me but are open to acknowledge the facts when presented to them. Pretending that some unpleasant facts do not exist makes a friendship superficial. As events go by I noticed that you have become more combative too and push back when you realize that Turks do not appreciate or ignore your subtle ways of explaining things to them.
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