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No disengagement from Gaza
Ashraf al-Ajarmi
Published: 14.07.10, 18:55
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1. Free Shalit
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (07.14.10)
Until then Israel owes you nothing.
2. Okay
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.14.10)
Israel will lift its blockade of Gaza when (i) Gilad Shalit is repatriated; (ii) The blockade of Myanmar is lifted; (iii) The blockade of North Korea is lifted; and (iv) The blockade of Cuba is lifted. Seems perfectly fair to me.
3. Let's take this logic and extend it, Mr. al-Ajarmi...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (07.14.10)
If Gaza is truly under a "siege" by the "Zionist Occupation", can we not say that the "Zionist Occupation" is under siege by an Arab Occupation in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and partially within Palestine itself? If you recommend ending the "Zionist siege and occupation" of Gaza as a means of effecting the political change you wish to see there, can we not also make the counter argument that ending the Arab siege and occupation of Jewish land will effect the political change the world would like to see in the region? Your argument, Mr. al-Ajarmi, much like your political and historical narrative, is full of holes and self-defeating. Eventually, Israel's Arab neighbors will recognize that they have much more to gain by warm political and economic relations with Israel than they do by supporting a Quixotic Palestinian nationalism. It may not happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen. The clock is ticking, Mr. al-Ajarmi...
4. Gaza Keep it or give it to Egypt
Orwell ,   Farmville   (07.14.10)
When the Arabs sometimes called paly give Israel a reason to try peace with them it will happen. Until then you cannot dictate terms of your surrender.
5. Israel should disengage from Gaza
Steve ,   UK   (07.14.10)
Gaza has nothing more to do with Israel. It was a part of of Egypt before it was occupied and it makes sense for it to return to Egypt now that it is no longer occupied. Surely Muslim Egypt would welcome back its 'brothers' for which it claims to show so much solidarity.
6. To Ashraf al-Ajarmi
Yossef ben Zemmour   (07.14.10)
My friend, your prediction is fulfilling, thanks to the Gaza flotillas. After some non-return point Gaza responsibility will de facto shift to Egypt and the international community. It is what the world want so much, it is what the world will get. And what is happening now with the Gadafi's ship is just the next step of this process you describe so well. This very paper in YnetNews is a confirmation if we needed one. Few weeks ago we discussed this point with Saïd from Amman, http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3912447,00.html Forget Gaza, the sooner the better. There is a 1-state solution, but we need to be very smart if we want make it work.
7. No Shalit, No Peace
blash ,   Jerusalem   (07.14.10)
If Israel wants an honest, genuine peace then it needs to recognize that real peace is only achieved between friends. Friends do not publish that they want to destroy the other's government and citizens in their charter. Friends do not kidnap their friend's soldier and hold onto him for perpetuity. Israel has been ready for peace. Israel has been ready to be friends. If Hamas wants peace, they need to unilaterally turn over Gilad Shalit, to show that they are ready to truly be friends with Israel. Until then, Israel needs to stop kidding itself.
8. wow! muslim hamas propoganda on an Israeli site!
YNET=ENEMY   (07.14.10)
9. Fatah = Hamas with suits and western money!
jordan="palestine"   (07.14.10)
10. :: Sarah BS’s confusion
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.14.10)
Somehow Sarah BS thinks that Gaza, Burma, N Korea, Cuba and Shalit are all connected in someway! I guess she is easily confused yet the truth of the matter is that Israel’s lifting of the blockade will not be related to any of these 4 unrelated matters. Israel will lift the blockade, its just a matter of time, tick - tock, tick - tock.
11. Viva Palestine - long live Palestine
Palestinian   (07.14.10)
12. It's not Israel's job to help the Palestinian Authroity
Mike ,   Oxford UK   (07.14.10)
If the PA is interested in peace they should help themselves. Why do they refuse to come to the negotiating table? Why do they refuse to accept Israel as a Jewish state? Why do they continue to glorify terrorists? Why on earth would a sane Israel wish to help the PA. They are no better than their Hamas enemies.
13. I still think Israel must begin to sever ALL ties ...
Lee ,   Manchester UK   (07.14.10)
like Lieberman says. And of course - what about Gilad Shalit!?
14.  A country that dishoners its own covenants
lydia   (07.15.10)
Israel claim rights to Palestine because of a covenant they say they had with God yet dishonors each and every one. Israel self imposed obligations to the member nations and the Palestinians UN181 yet even before the ink is dry Israel is warring with the Arabs (Plan Dalet} to steal more land well outside the borders of the unilaterally declared Jewish state.
15. #2 - I am not familiar with Myanmar, but
Doug ,   Rochester, USA   (07.15.10)
The blockade of Cuba was lifted in the 1960's, when Kennedy was still President. There is no blockade of N. Korea. You are getting confused between "blockade" and "embargo", which are not at all alike in scope, cruelty, or international law requirements. Regarding Shalit, he is a POW. Usually, POW's from both sides are released at the end of hostilities. Unless there is a negotiated settlement prior to this. Hamas put an offer on the table, but Isreal decided not to accept the offer. Israel has the right to say no, but they should not whine about their decision.
16. Free Shalit & Palestinians (8000) Peace Palestine / Israel
Chris ,   USA   (07.15.10)
17. #5 - Pals are not Egyptians
Doug ,   Rochester, USA   (07.15.10)
Rather, they are people from the British Mandate that fled for their lives during the attocities of the 1948 war. They are Palestineans. They lived in the area now occupied by Israel. Egypt is a different ethnic group. Egypt is not responsible for Gaza. Either Israel must completely disengage from Gaza, including territorial waters, airspace, water rights, or they must continue to take responsibility for the needs of the population.
18. :: Doug - #15 - In Sarah BS’s defense...
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.15.10)
..."Blockade" and "Embargo" are pretty big words for a self-confessed ‘expert in admiralty law’. Best cut her some slack. ;)
19. ethnoberesit eins null eins - when pals aren't
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (07.15.10)
The Gypts would certainly not call parao Mubarak an Egyptian. He is Kais as are most of those that come to kill Yehudim in the land of their own name and all of Eretz Yisroel. OThers are Yemenites but share the Hamite lineage with the Kais. Both of whom have a peninsula named for them to which they should all have their right of return enforced to so you won't have to kill them when they continue to no longer control their homicidal Hamite tendencies. That would be humane and don't forget to take the Hasimite tyrant from the Hedjaz with you.
20. To: No. 15
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.15.10)
There is indeed a naval blockade against North Korea. Of Myanmar as well. Cuba, too. Israel doesn't "whine" about Gilad Shalit. He is not a POW, either -- he was kidnapped on Israeli soil. And Gaza is not a nation-state and therefore cannot issue a declaration of war. It has no legal right to take prisoners; they don't even consider Shalit a prisoner of war. Prisoners of war have certain rights, including visits from the Red Cross and neutral third parties. That hasn't happened, and it is not likely to ever happen. I personally do not believe that Shalit will ever be released -- Hamas isn't going to give up its sole ace in the hole. And the prospect of releasing hundreds of extremely dangerous terrorists back into society to ply their despicable trade just isn't all that attractive.
21. Israel should retake Gaza forever and rebuild Gush Katif.
Chaim ,   Israel   (07.15.10)
It's a simple fact that ALL our major Gaza problems began with our mad flight from Gaza. When we left Gaza, beautiful thriving Gush Katif became a huge terrorist camp. Our last Gaza War was the direct result of our flight from Gaza. So were thousands of rockets fired at us from Gaza. So were the flotillas. The answer is equally simple. Israel should retake Gaza forever and rebuild Gush Katif. Israeli retreat never results in anything but disaster.
22. Back to Gaza
Ron B. ,   Lod   (07.15.10)
By leaving Gaza alone and only monitoring its borders and coastlines, Israel displayed superhuman patience and tolerance for terrorists. But if the world refuses to back a naval blockade, then Israel has no choice but to take control of the ground. If the Obama administration refuses to accept the understanding on which Israel's original withdrawal was based, then it is time to reverse that withdrawal. The ongoing imprisonment of Gilad Shalit, Hamas' own atrocities against fellow Arabs and the presence of Al Queda in Gaza-- are all additional factors that demand action as explained at : http://xrl.us/bhouhu
23. #21 a naval blockade of Cuba! LOL
bob ,   NZ   (07.15.10)
didnt learn much history at Harvard obviously but if you're making $1200 an hour who cares
24. Israel has been out of Gaza. Now, it is time Egypt shoulder
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (07.15.10)
her responsibility and assume control and incorporate Gaza. Egypt ruled Gaza until 1967, not Israel. Israel captured it when provoked by Egypt in 1967, during the Six-Day War. At the conclusion of the war the UN passed Resolution 242 that assumed Egypt will come to rule the territory once Israel vacates its armed forces to secure and recognized boundaries. Israel did so between the years 1994 and 2005. It is now Arab Egypt's turn to take care of the Arabs of Gaza, not Israel's.
25. A second Hitzbullah?
Shalom ,   U.S.A.   (07.15.10)
This jus another article that makes sense to people with low IQ.
26. #15 - Let's assume Shalit is a POW by definition
William ,   Israel   (07.15.10)
then, this necessitates visits by the Red Cross which has since been denied. That means with each passing day, another incidence of a war crime is committed by Hamas. What is alarming is the deafening silence by the world on this issue, especially the UN. Hamas declared war on Israel - which is their right to do but they whine about the consequences. The siege around Gaza is fully legal and a result of a declaration of war, including the abduction of an IDF soldier NOT involved in direct hostilities with Hamas while on Israeli soil. Per Intl Law, Israel allows in humanitarian aid based upon UN rules dictating minimum requirements. Somehow, I doubt viagra, new cars, and nutmeg are real necessities to human life. Until Hamas ends the hostilities and declaration of war, the siege will remain and is perfectly legal.
27. #14 - Hahaha, Lydia. There as no Plan Dalet!
William ,   Israel   (07.15.10)
Hahaha - are you getting your history lessons from the Ayatollehs?? That, and so-called quotations from Ben Gurion and other leaders, were passed around and always proven fictitious. You're 5 years too late to the game. By the way, under UNR181, the Arabs were demanded to end hostilities and they said unequivocally...NO. That there ends Israel's obligations to UNR181...before the ink dries.
28. #16 - Hamas can have the women and child
William ,   Israel   (07.15.10)
except that's not who's on the exchange list. Hamas wants the most battle-hardened experts of terrorism and bomb making released. Why? So they can up the intensity of the war, that's why. And releasing them would be both illegal and immoral as it would assure the deaths of many on both sides. However, if Hamas was truly a humanitarian, they'd want the women and children released first.
29. To low QI #25
Yossef   (07.15.10)
We have a peace treaty with Egypt, which is not the case with Lebanon/Syrion.
30. The law of common sense
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.15.10)
One should disagree with the enemy even if they make sense, because their ultimate ulterior motive is to see you dead. Which is true in general, but with starry-eyed Jihadists, one need not consider if anything worthy is being suggested. Every breath a Jihadist takes is to dominate, subdue or annihilate. A Jihadist is not an extremist, he/she is just following the Koran, and is therefore an opened or closet enemy.
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