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Compromise: Conversion bill vote delayed by 6 months
Roni Sofer
Published: 22.07.10, 23:38
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1. No simple route and No Pick and choose or 613 No averaging
Martin ,   JHB SA   (07.23.10)
In effect we dont need the Bill. There is no simplified conversion. The reform progressive power block think that by politicking they can rewrite the Holy Mesorah. Being a Jew is scary and challenges the inner core essence of self. A convert can find a comfort zone in observance of our precepts. He will never the less aware of a void due do starting a new line and chain which progresses and broadens as the generations. The precondition to conversion is commitment to sustained strict observance of the precept. Progressive/reform would like think that Jewishness can be bought in a 'lucky-packet' where one can PICK and CHOOSE. A determination of devotion to the A'mighty and his commandments will not waiver. In effect we have our reference point in the Torah - Nach the Talmud and Shuchan Aruch and on going persuasive responsa and halachic sources. In effect we dont need the Law. We have the richness of our past and the writings of respected and revered sages over the generation. So we dont need this bill. The constitution of governing of our land is sourced in these same books. The government and all its function are directed to be Shabbos observant despite some of the politicians not being fully observant. We actually can manage very well without the bill as we have done for 62 years. Progressives etc need to realise either way the Mesorah as defined by torah giants is the Mesorah accepted and guided by recognised Rabbis men of the Cloth. One day they discover that watered down observance deceives there member whom are more determined to water down our precept crystallised over the generations. They show disrespect to the Rambam and our sages including Moshe the Prophet. Why do we need to bother with those whom are taken up in their own misguided forms of worship which give accreditation by using the word Mesorti. A genuine convert is 24/7 365 observant Jew. No less. Anyone whom wishes to redefine that is dealing in deception. Please be true to the Jewish people and accept that the truth of the matter.
2. I do believe that there must be a broad consensus
Keren ,   IL-BR   (07.23.10)
But in Jewish matters ,Torah must be followed,and by Torah I mean ,of course,The five books of Moses and the overall body of Jewish religious teachings ,encompassing the whole body of Jewish law-practice and tradition,with no compromises. If we keep doing otherwise,in not a long time ,we will have gentiles deciding our future in our country. It happens already in microcosmic terms and it is source of desunion and discontentment among Jews. Jews like to feel in their own environement,although we accept "others",but as long as these others keep being others and accept that fact without trying to impose their culture ,religion and so on on us. But they do not behave like that in practice,so it is upon us to preserve and decide and impose the lifestyle WE wish to live. I trully believe Israel must stick in Torah to rule this matter,at * any cost*,because we only have chances if ,for a change,we do the right thing and stick firmly in our ownTruth. Repeating the past is silly,beyond being very un- exciting. We alraedy know what happens if we let everybody in. Courage is needed and we have no other choice. Many will not like,but they will adapt.
3. Haskalah, bashkalah-they deny their identity as you do
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (07.23.10)
BB proves again that he has no self-identity as he prepares not only to rid Yehuda of Yehudim with the support of so many, but denies the identity of those who love the land of their own name. Lieberman too (like Danon) is willing to be a suicidal prostitute and deliver your morasha to your enemies. Arens, Landau, Lewis, Ayalon, Hotovelli, Aumann and so many others are looking for a partner to cede that which belongs to all Yehudim past present and future. But on this issue it is about denying who you are in the first place
4. I would be remiss not to mention Natan is a full fleged
Kerwood Derby ,   Frostbite Falls, MN   (07.23.10)
member of the Century 21 Eretz Yisroel real estate brokerage. In 1998, Netanyahu, Sharon and Sharansky less than publicly agreed to push the plan to pull all Jews out of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. One way or the other (G-d forbid), Sharansky and so many others seek to either take the Yehudim out of Yehuda or remove the very essence from the Yehudim that which binds them to the land that they love and protects them.
5. who is a jew
born a jew ,   usa   (07.23.10)
1. i dont understand, if people wanted to be doctors if they only took 1 year of medical school would we make them doctors? 2. what is a jew anyway. isnt it a jewish law issue - what does it have to do with the israeli government?
6. The delay is good news
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (07.23.10)
It is very important for a our demographic balance that most of the 300,000 non-Jewish Russians are converted. Especially Russian women under 40 years old. The best solution would be a combined conversion course run by consensus of orthodox, conservative and reform.
7. Are you insane,Judah , Golan Heights,ISRAEL ???
Keren ,   IL-BR   (07.23.10)
Do you want 300.000 Pakrooks influencing the life in Israel? That's what you want? Well,if your are yourself a convert and is pulling the cord to your wrong side,one can understand,but that does not mean that you represent the Jewish Nation,the Nation of Israel. What you say is not of our interest. Those christian russians( now the mistake is done) who are in Israel,should keep being whatever they want,but Israel should limit the construction of churchs and des -incentivate somehow gentile gatherings and incentivate our own believes in Israel. And don't come with this bs of freedom of religion.... Or Judaism prevails,or nothing. Could eventually exist a middle term between Judaism and nothing ,in order to please secular Jews.Nothing else. But that must be done step by step. That's the only way that these gentiles could become one day part of our Nation,being them converted or gentiles. Enough of internal conflicts to please goyim.
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