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And if he were Jewish?
Sima Kadmon
Published: 24.07.10, 13:59
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1. CASTRATE BOTH JEW AND ARAB -RAPIST !
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (07.24.10)
WELL IT LOOK TO ME THAT THE LADIES ALSO ENJOY BY OPEING THE GATES BEFORE WEDLOCK ! LATER THEY PUT UP ALL KINDS OF DRAMA IN COURT ! MEN GET FIXED UP BY WOMEN- SO MEN FIX WOMEN UP ! WHAT A FIX UP ? :-)))
2. Around here.....
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.24.10)
nationality, religious affiliation, or marital status don't matter. If the sex was consensual and didn't involve a minor, it was only rape, if the check bounced :-)
3. And imagine if this was an Arab girl.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (07.24.10)
And in an Arab country & the guy was Jewish. Well, in many such countries, he might get lynched (as in murdered). But, I won't talk about anything theoretical - I will write only about what I know, what I saw with my own eyes. If a Jewish guy had sex with an Arab girl in the country I came from, and he got caught, it's an automatic 5 yrs in prison. Or, he can convert to Islam & is required to marry the girl, he can't divorce her either. He also has to pay the new bride's parents, the court would set the amount. On the other hand, if it was a Muslim man with a non-Muslim woman, no penalty whatsoever. Many prostitutes had a great scam going - they would pick up a guy in a hotel lobby or a night-club & say she had a place they could go. She would take the guy somewhere to meet her policeman associate who would arrest the guy & for a nice bribe, he could go free. So, he got screwed but not in the way he anticipated. The girl in this case was obviously a total dummy, a real air-head. But, she was a victim of a fraud nonetheless. This is an abuse of confidence. She was conned into doing something she would not have done if she had accurate information. We're not in Europe or America here, this is still the Middle-East, much as some would like to imagine that this is not the case. Those that understand Arab culture (obviously not this author) can see why the judge was correct. If a Jewish guy did this to an Arab girl, you can imagine the Arab reaction. Actually, even if a Christian Arab guy did this to a Muslim Arab girl, the result could be an honour killing of the girl & quite possibly the murder of the guy by the girls family. Sima Kadmon needs to take a college level course in Middle-East culture before she shoots off her mouth. And here I thought Ms Kadmon was a good multi-culturalist, who respected the mores of different cultures. I guess she's just another European-wannabee ......lol.
4. "I love you"
J Jones ,   London, UK   (07.24.10)
and he didn't???? "I will rock your world" and he didn't? Could it be that Shakespeare was right, in "Hell knows no fury..."? Or are the courts of Israel racist?
5. :: Sima, what if the girl were Arab and man Jewish?
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.24.10)
The girl would have been stoned to death and the man would have had a full throat cut by your Arab friends. You of course do not dare entertaining this scenario because the analysis of the likely outcome is not something you wish to discuss.
6. #3 Terry
Michael ,   Haifa   (07.24.10)
But this is not an Arab country, Terry, right ? Although when I read your talkbacks, I am not quite sure.
7. what if the girl were Arab and the man Jewish?
ivan   (07.24.10)
don't be silly. The Jewish courts wouldn't have even listened to the Arab girl's complain. This happened in Israel, not elsewhere.
8. More of this kind of incidents will happen in Isratine!
Ehud ,   Isratine   (07.24.10)
9. And if the cards were turned...
Orly ,   Jerusalem   (07.24.10)
Yes, it's messed up. If he had fraudulently claimed to be great in bed, or the son of Donald Trump there would have been no case, and certainly no conviction and sentence. But if a Jew had pulled this on an Arab girl, by pretending to himself be an Arab, a Muslim or whatever, this would have made it to court, but the sentence would have been much greater than 18 months. Jewish flesh rots in Israeli prisons while those considered Palestinian by our liberal elites pass through them through revolving doors. Let's not pretend that the injustice is one sided.
10. Miscarriage of Justice
jdledell   (07.24.10)
This woman initially went to police with a charge of forcible rape and that is what he was indicted for. It was only during the trial did she recant and admit it was consensual sex. The prosecutor had to then obtain a revised indictment to continue to prosecute this man. For lying to the police and prosecutor, this woman gets off scott free and even earns compensation. Lying to the police and the court should have earned her jail time instead of a reward. As to the charges of lying for sex, Israeli police should issue guidlelines for which types of lies constitute rape. Current job? Married vs unmarried? Divorced vs merely separated? Current income? I love you vs I merely like you? Type of car owned? Nationality or country of origin? Religion? Observant or secular? Are lies committed by women to obtain sex also illegal?Where is the line drawn????? Every day in Tel Aviv Jewish men and women lie about themselves or their intentions to obtain sex. Go to any nightclub and you can see it in action. I think we should admit it to at least ourselves that if this man were Jewish there would be no prosecution.
11. what about the bodyguard who tried to rape?
Ivan ,   Haifa   (07.24.10)
And the former president?
12. #6 Michael, Haifa.
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (07.24.10)
Since I have nothing to do at the moment, I'll answer your comment. No, this is not an Arab country. But, we have a sizeable Arab population & perhaps half the Jews here originate from Arab countries. So, we are in a manner of speaking a Middle-Eastern country, albeit a rather Westernized version. I'm judging this guy by the standards of his own community. Because in his community, sexual relations are rather problematic (if not dangerous to life & limb), he seeks an outlet for his needs outside his own community. For most members of his community, Jewish girls are, let us say, somewhat loose, of easy virtue. Actually, in his value-system, little better than prostitutes, maybe worse, because it's for free. And, as a matter of fact, if he was a more honest fellow, he would have availed himself of professional service. Let us examine another issue. If the Knesset proposed a law banning the veil, the Islamic face covering, similar to laws now being passed in many European countries & even in Muslim Syria, what do you think would be the reaction of Sima Kadmon & other liberal or leftist commentators? I think we can all guess. They would call it an attack on the cultural rights of Muslims (even though it is manifestly a political statement). They would call it racist, blah, blah, blah. In this case, we would be accused of lacking cultural sensitivity, to say the least. You see where I'm going with this?
13. To misrepresent oneself is to commit fraud.
JMK ,   NYC   (07.24.10)
This is illegal in the USA. There are many men called gigoloes who manage to romance the wealth out of women, this is criminal. To extends the idea women who break off engagements must give back the engagement ring as it was a benefit accruing upon condition of a marriage.
14. consensual sex
avi ,   haifa   (07.24.10)
I am more than astonished by the court's decision. the sex was consensual, Next time a poor Jew will be indikted because he claimed to be rich. I just hope there wikk be a revision of this farce.
15. Would it be antisemitism?
Albrecht ,   P.O.   (07.24.10)
I try to imagine such situation: A German court (for example) sentences a man for rape because he has kept secret the fact, that he is jewish. Would it be antisemitism?
16. Ok, let's try the other way around.
Botan ,   Switzerland   (07.24.10)
What would Israel say if a Jewish man posed as non-Jewish to have sex with a non-Jewish woman in Europe, and then get charged with "rape by deception"?? I think we would have a nice little outcry about blattant antisemitism going on here and flying around the globe!
17. jdledell
(07.24.10)
try to remember that we are the ones that teach the rest of the world moraliry, not the other way round. you know why, ? because, among very, very many things, we are the ones that invented morality (the Bible, the 10 Commandments, which include the invention of a one rest day per week,so don't talk about Justice to us! hameed aboughaze, iranian
18. Oh, so, he got a real deal actually...
Botan ,   Switzerland   (07.24.10)
Right, so because others, like the Palestinians, are capable of worse, this excuses all racism and absurdity in Israeli law??? Come off it! This judgment is not only racist, it is sexist and paternalistic! Basically, it says that women need to be protected despite themselves! If this woman was so concerned about the kind of men she wants to have sex with, she shouldn't have jumped into his bed, 15 minutes after meeting him. Obviously, she isn't very serious here and the Court is simply condoning such ludicrous behavior, as long as the other is Arab. If he had been really Jewish, she might actually have been the one accused of being a woman without any decency...or in other words, of being a whore.
19. For most members of his community, Jewish girls are, let us
Botan ,   Switzerland   (07.24.10)
Well, this one woman, at least, must have confirmed brilliantly this stereotype to all Arabs who read this news! She went into his bed after 15 minutes of chitchat! Another thing that gets confirmed by this ruling for many Arabs is that you better pose as Jewish if you want a chance to get one of these "easy Jewish chicks" in your bed. Because, they aren't just of "little virtue", they are also racist. So, just make sure you don't get discovered and you're fine to have all the sex fun in the world with Jewish girls, while keeping in line with the Muslim concept of "virtue". Honestly, you couldn't get a more problematic ruling! And the problem Muslims have with sex really doesn't change much to this fact!
20. Inappropriate examples
Botan ,   Switzerland   (07.24.10)
Gigoloes take advantage of the emotional dependency of their victim to get their money. You have a nice ongoing case in France with Mme Bettancourt, the heir of L'Oréal. It is this psychological abuse that is considered criminal. This is completely different from being accused of rape because one didn't specify one's religious background or ethnicity before having consensual sex. This man didn't abuse of the woman's psychological frailty. He simply omitted to say he wasn't Jewish and let's face it, since they went to bed 15 minutes only after their first encounter, when would he have the time to make this clarification??
21. If lying to get sex is illegal...
Israeli   (07.24.10)
me and many people I know would be in jail...alot. This is a sick abuse of the legal system and reeks of racism.
22. Legal Precedent
JonO ,   Toronto   (07.24.10)
I don't agree with the decision, but I read another article which stated that there was a legal precedent for this case and the person convicted was Jewish. So no, I don't think it is "racism" in this case...
23. Botan , 15 minutes ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.24.10)
This article does'nt mention it i think .
24. Prior Legal Precident
like what 22 said   (07.24.10)
There was legal precedent... There was a Jewish man that claimed to be involved in the housing ministry and he told a woman he could arrange housing for her (she was not doing financially well) if she slept with him. He got charged with rape by deception like this guy.
25. Legal Precedent
ivan   (07.24.10)
That other dude was prosecuted for fraud. Not rape. He demanded sex for favors that he wasn't even in a position to give. The only difference between this case and a woman looking to get laid using a wonder-bra is the racial significance. Or do you think that everyone who lies to get sex is raping?
26. funny man & funny woman :)
Salma ,   Palestine   (07.24.10)
Here there is one problem deception, there is no rape. the end
27. #7 To Ivan
Yuri ,   Israel   (07.24.10)
>>The Jewish courts wouldn't have even listened to the Arab girl's complain. I am afraid your remark is based on your hatred to Israel (and a bit more than that), than knowledge of the Israeli reality. This case is unusual for Israel (and the High Court is to say its word yet).
28. He needs a good lawyer ....that's all
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (07.24.10)
It's a universal trait that's surely occurring multiply around the globe as I type this...especially on a Saturday night He's not the first and nor the last from any culture to pull this kind of stunt. Luckily for him, he's Arab and she's Jewish and this happened in Israel. Overall, I agree with Terry
29. Mild judgment
Raphael ,   Netanya   (07.24.10)
In Iran, a german engineer, Helmut Hofer, was sentenced to death for having sex with an iranian woman (they were living together),according to shariah which forbids any dhimmi to look at a muslim woman.
30. THE JUDGE IS A RETARDED RACIST
Sheik Rattle & Roll ,   USA   (07.24.10)
and the police are incompetent fools for even considering this charge. There is an old saying is you get what you pay for and I think they pay the Police in Israel like $1500 dollars a month. What if he said that she said she was Arab would she be charged with RAPE. STUPID RETARDED JUDGE AND DISGUSTING FOOLISH POLICE.
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