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And if he were Jewish?
Sima Kadmon
Published: 24.07.10, 13:59
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31. #6 Michael - Terry put the story in context
Jake ,     (07.24.10)
And that is what the media should do. It's the same as when a settler dares to use his gun to defend himself. The headlines explode. However, they rarely put the story in context, the context being the daily stone-throwing, the harassment against settlers, Jewish families that are injured, and sometimes killed. Again, the same thing happens in the international media. An Israeli soldier kills or injures a PA or Gaza Arab and the media presents a picture of Jewish violence against innocent Arabs under occupation, but none of the Arab violence. that preceded this act. Or take the recent Marmara incident. The media still refers to "activists" killed by Israeli commandos. Not a word about the vicious beating the Jews got before they were forced to use their weapons. So, this story should be put into context. It's not only that the guy would fare much worse had he done it to an Arab girl, but that the seduction and marriage of Jewish girls by Arab men is a serious problem in Israel. I'm not sure I can go into details here. The word rape is associated with violence, but it has a larger meaning. In the US if two fifteen year-olds get involved, that's not much of a legal problem. But if one of the partners is over 21 then the word rape can be used in a court of law, no matter how consensual the act. By the way, the law comes down hard on individuals who do not reveal they suffer from STD. Whether they contaminate their partner or not , they have to suffer the penalty.
32. Arab rapes jew (or vice-versa)
Amram ,   Toronto, Canada   (07.24.10)
The "rape by deception" law appears to be flawed and Knesset should revise it (only if the deception involved breach of contract for example). I believe that a prostitute can - or should - claim rape if the client refuses to pay. The judge is applying the law as is. This has absolutely nothing to do with racism or the religions of the people involved.
33. And if he was ultra orthdox ?
Avi ,   Israel   (07.24.10)
2 hours of questioning and back on the streets in time for the next riot.
34. THE RAEP OF DINAH AND THE TREATMENT OF SHECHEM.....
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (07.24.10)
YOU FORGOT ? need not remain passive like jacob when his daughter was raped ! luckly we dont live in those times...now we have courts ! No Hamor was an idiot he was thinkig of grazing rights and permisssion to purchase land....THAT IS NOT THE ACSE HERE ! DINAH WAS NOT SPOKEN LATER IN REFERENCE ANY WHERE IN THE TORAH ! i NEED NOT TELL YOU ABOUT THE FIERCY ANGRY SIMEON AND LEVI ...IF YOU ARE JEWs YOU KNOW ALL THAT I SAY HERE ! YOU DONT PROVOKE THEIR IRE ! I READ THE COPY OF NAHUM SARNA.........JEWS PLEASE READ !
35. No business of the court at all
Rivkah F. ,   Jerusalem   (07.24.10)
The man lied and misrepresented himself. The woman was taken in. It is an old story. She should have given him a slap in the face, swallowed her pride and moved on. He would have tried his story with someone else. Unless he defrauded her of money, stalked her, etc., this has no business in the courts. The Arab-Jew business is irrelevant. Some one will now try bringing a case involving a Jewish swindler like this and win. From this description, it certainly was not rape.
36. arab rapist
bear ,   zefat   (07.24.10)
Why are you so worried about an arab?
37. #17 is not hameed aboughaze
(07.24.10)
hameed aboughaze, iranian
38. Thumbs up for "Rape by Deception law"! :)
Dovid   (07.24.10)
39. He's not a rapist, he commited adultry. The rest is racisim
lara ,   Australia   (07.25.10)
The woman should be sent to prision for racism, slander and defimation, a crime more worthy of punishment then a lie. You should be ashamed of your racist legal system which discriminates against a particular ethnic group. You punish them for breaking your laws and punish them if they don't.
40. I nail Jewish chicks all the time, I'm not even Jewish
Jerry ,   USA   (07.25.10)
41. If he "was" Jewish, not if he "were" Jewish. English, dude!
Yaniv ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
42. And what if you were doing Torah Law?
Ernest ,   USA   (07.25.10)
43. Botan, concern yourself with the Priest that
David ,   NJUSA   (07.25.10)
took you to bed
44. Botan, concern yourself with the Priest that
David ,   NJUSA   (07.25.10)
took you to bed
45. Michael, Haifa, what would happen in Israel
AK   (07.25.10)
if the guy was a Jew and the girl a Druze or Arab? Different outcome? I read about 'honor' killings in Israel, as well. As a matter of fact, Muslims practice it in Europe, Canada and in the USA.
46. It looks like he didn't pay her ;) ,...
split ,   USA   (07.25.10)
47. AS POSTED ABOVE
Eran ,   Singapore   (07.25.10)
"Sima Kadmon needs to take a college level course in Middle-East culture before she shoots off her mouth. And here I thought Ms Kadmon was a good multi-culturalist, who respected the mores of different cultures. I guess she's just another European-wannabee ......" "In Iran, a german engineer, Helmut Hofer, was sentenced to death for having sex with an iranian woman (they were living together),according to shariah which forbids any dhimmi to look at a muslim woman. " Sima, get your act together or..BUZZ OFF
48. BOTAN 18,19 Van Minit or Fifteen minits
Eran ,   Singapore   (07.25.10)
Botan, Go and fetch medical help. You are delusional, paranoic or insensitive. You write; "She went into his bed after 15 minutes of chitchat! " Explain to me who gave you this brilliant idea. Because the article does not mention this. You are a LIAR and chauvinist PIG. Get off this newspaper.
49. fraud for sex in uk
sweeter than honey ,   far away   (07.25.10)
in the uk there was a recent sad case of a guy who posed as an armed forces veteran (SAS), who had bought 17 decorations on e-bay which he wore at veterans' parades. he was spoted when the decorations were seen to be incongruous. when he was done, he said in court it got him laid (too), in fact he developed a relationship with a lady who was most impressed. i think he got two years (suspended?), and a psychiatric help order. in same sector are those who know they have AIDS but don't tell sexual partners, who then contract the desease and die. such have been convicted of murder in the uk. truly.
50. The Ruling Was Absolutely Justified
Noach ,   USA   (07.24.10)
What price do you put on the sanctity of one's body? I don't believe you can answer that question, which is why I believe this should be a criminal and not civil case. The man gained access to her property under false pretenses. If you let someone into your home because he claimed to be a police officer with a warrant (but is in fact a salesman), he is trespassing. What do you call trespassing in a person's body? Rape. Even if you let him in the door.
51. Put the blame on our activist courts
Ilan ,   Ariel   (07.25.10)
Israeli courts have a pretty low opinion of the public and this is just another example of them stepping in to impose their standards. In this case the woman was behaving little better than a prostitute and has no reason to complain. The concept of charging someone who misrepresents himself as a rapist borders on the absurd and is the result of our enlightened judges expanding the concept of sexual harassment to include to much. BTW, the guy involved is a little shit who doesn't deserve anyone's pity, but being a nasty thing shouldn't necessarily be a criminal offense.
52. Let's get real here
Haifa granny   (07.25.10)
Consensual sex is consensual sex. Rape is rape. This conviction is like being a little pregnant or a little dead, it just doesn't work that way. If every married man who pretended he wasn't married to have sex were fined, we wouldn't have to cut billions of dollars off the defense budget. If every man who told a lie to get a woman into bed were sent to jail, we would need about a million more jail cells. Multiply that by all the countries in the world, send all the men who lied for sex to jail, there would be no work force. Actually, it might be a good idea, get rid of the glass ceiling women have to fight against.
53. 43, 44, 48 What is wrong with you?
Haifa granny   (07.25.10)
He said something you don't like so you assume there is something wrong with him? Have you ever heard the expression "difference of opinion?"
54. We are talking about Israel (Terry)
Dror ,   Haifa, Israel   (07.25.10)
Our legal system should behave like a Western legal system that is unattached to religious, tribal, or communal values but universal ones that apply to all citizens put under trial for the same crimes. Pay attention to the comments on how unclear and messy a rape by deception law will be. For the courts to get themselves into this messy domain yells of a problem with the defendant's identity. I am ashamed as an Israeli who would like to believe in the legal system.
55. Wasn't their a guy a couple of years ago...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (07.25.10)
...who got a girl into the sack by claiming to be a pilot? I think he got off with a fine though. As someone else said, yeah what about all the married men who claim to be single. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Which is about what they are worth. Laisha (For the Woman) a popular ladies' magazine recently had and article about operations to restore "lost" maidenheads. If a man discovers his bride underwent this procedure will she get 1.5 years in jail for deception, too?
56. An odd way of marking the 50th year since the publication...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (07.25.10)
...of To Kill a Mockingbird...
57. and now I've heard it all!!!
BB ,   Haifa,IL   (07.25.10)
58. Evil Skinhead "blacks will take our women"
Josh   (07.25.10)
This is so ugly and fuel for the case in heaven against G-d protecting our nation. Dogville is a good movie. They do the same to conservative converts or American Jew in general? Does this explains the sabbotage of every attempt of a foriegn Jews and converts to meet girls, make girlfriends and find a wife. Israel is not righteous if this is what our courts do, we are supremists. THIS IS PROOF. Does this not mean we share many of the qualities Hitler used to build little nazis. Netenyahu should issue a pardon. The woman was having sex with a person who was a liar-NOT A CULT LABEL. Because he didn't have the cult label as a badge, he gets arested. Protect the border of cult. It is not about observation of a relgion or lying about what religion you are, its about cult. The girl could have found out. She likely didn't take the time. No Jewish man ever lied to get a girl? If Christian countries attempted to shut out Jewsh men and arrested every Jewish man that lied about being Christian or Muslim to get a wife, woudl we cry racist supremist? What if a Jew converted to Christianity and they shut him out of society becase he was once a Jew? A Jewish man can have sex with a christian girl who lies about being Jewish but nothing happens. When the women of other nations are taken it seems no one really caes. It is only when a non Jewish man shares a relationship with a Jewish woman and OUTRAGE is expressed. This reminds me of the southern scare tactic used by earlt racist, "blacks will take are women". Its no different. They were concerned about the pure white blood, and we here "Jewish" as another term of purity when in reality there are many who are flawed here. If this judgement stand, why should anyone listen to complaints of antisemitism or observe holocaust day when the world will just shrug and point to this and say, "Jews behave äs such" I can imagine many saying it is because of Torah, but really no one is really doing what Moses wrote and everyone in the three religions are adding illegally. Look at the abuse of converts. That is the opposite of Torah. Bunch of hypocrite judgements jailing one and not the other. Torah states ONE LAW. Is this a outward sign of the cowardice of Israel to grow up and out of the cult craddle? I am really examining my choice to become Jewish. I think I wil just love G-d, take Torah and leave the rest of this cultic garbage behind. I suggest this nation do the same.
59. 40 , Jerry . I only non Jewish girls before
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.25.10)
I knew my Jewish wife . As young guy we were going out to places were there were NO Jewish girls . Those non Jewish girls liked to go with us , Jewish boys , because we could spend more money , we were nice to them , and they enjoyed that we were circumcised . They knew of course that we were Jews .
60. I think that lying , twice , to a woman
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.25.10)
to have sex with her is at least dishonest . Maybe that she tought that he will marry her , but when she knew the truth about him , married and muslim , she understandly complained to the police . And yes , Rivka F , it's a court business then .
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