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Dad confesses to killing children
Raanan Ben-Zur
Published: 25.07.10, 00:32
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1. Sick and savage
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.25.10)
"Lilach kept threatening to make sure I would never see the kids again," Oh, but you're the one who made sure of it, aren't you? I hope you never see the light of day.
2. Her threats also make her partially guilty of this
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (07.25.10)
terrible crime. He is clearly mentally defective but she has a responsibility not to threaten such a thing over infidelity.
3. Secular dad, right? Why don't you say so in your headlines?
Izaak ,   Tel Aviv   (07.25.10)
If it would have been religious or haredi you would have clearly stated that. We should always therefore understand that 99% of these cases are from the secular public.
4. to #3
Hanna ,   Tel Aviv   (07.25.10)
I think it is totally ridiculous that you could even think of religious standards in a case like this- this is the kind of story that can come from anywhere, and instead of you thinking of the 3 murdered children you are thinking about the fact that this psychopath is secular?! if he was a Haredi it would have been pointed out because hey are supposed to be "God fearing", however, they commit so many nasty crimes that they give Judaism a bad name. They don't mention that he is Haredi to discriminate, but because you would expect a Jew to act differently!
5. #3 - good point
yehuda ,   israel   (07.25.10)
6. #3 Don't be so sure
db ,   Haifa, Israel   (07.25.10)
The Jewish world is not split only between secular and Haridi. How one dresses is not his religious disposition...
7. What a filthly excuse for a so called human
Talula ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
Why wasn't he left to die in pain on the floor? He is wicked and evil and I wish him only pain and suffering. And once again, if we had the death penalty - this would be a good time to use it......Scumbag.
8. Very sad, but not surprising
Salma ,   Palestine   (07.25.10)
Many psychiatric patients in "Israel", are outside the hospital !!
9. Blaming the victim, #2?
Yael B ,   KHS, Israel   (07.25.10)
Don't lay this on the mother. She tried to protect her kids through the legal system and they were handed over to a murderous, deranged man because the system did not accurately assess how truly ill he is.
10. isn't he a terrorist?
Marwan ,   Amman, Jordan   (07.25.10)
11. #3 where exactly do you get 99% from?
Talula ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
It's NEVER EVER acceptable for anyone to murder or harm their children, whether they are secular or religious. When a religious person kills or harms their children, it makes everyone wonder what sort of 'religious' person would do that. Religious people follow a belief (or are supposed to) and that NEVER includes killing or harming children. Don't make it a secular/religious issue - three little children were just brutally murdered by their father. You should be disgusted and ashamed of yourself for attempting to make it a religious statement. Asshole.
12. To: No. 8
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.25.10)
Was that supposed to be funny, Salma? It wasn't. Being Palestinian, however, I suppose you think that suicide bombers and terrorists are PERFECTLY sane. Shame on you! Your comment was disgusting and inappropriate. Why am I NOT surprised?
13. #3 Shame on you
Avi ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
3 young kids were bruttaly murdered and you turn this in to a secular Vs Religious arguement ? Shame on you.
14. Social system
Sharona ,   Ashdod   (07.25.10)
Media is talking about mother giveing consent for children to spend weekend with father. I don't understand why media is trying to throw the weight of this crime on mother? Social service and the doctor are the ones responsible. Mother is not a professional social worker or a physiatric doctor. But the doctor and those social workers were trained and are getting those fat salaries to read such cases beforehand stop them from happening. Even if mother gave a consent (which I doubt), they are the ones who should have stopped this complete authority of fater on his children on weekend and should have given strict order that the father can meet his children only in a presence of social worker. I hope that this doctor and social worker is tried in court for their crime.
15. The man has no heart and is a savage !
miri ,   israel   (07.25.10)
16. Welfare authorities
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.25.10)
I just hope that the welfare authorities involved in this are fired!
17. This unfortunate tragedy has happened
Frank P ,   Jerusalem   (07.25.10)
in many countries around the world yet only in Israel would the discussion fall back on secular/religious and nationalistic lines. Ben Dror's only intention was to punish his ex wife by depriving her of what she loved most and then denying justice by taking his own life. Some responsibility lies at the door of social services for poor assessment of the situation, but mostly this was an ultimately selfish act by a very sick .
18. # 10 no Marwan you are!
Frank P ,   Jerusalem   (07.25.10)
19. Seculat - Haredi whats the difference MAD IS MAD and BAD MAD
Mo ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
to #3 psychotic sociopaths do not limit themselves to either secular or haredi. Should you need and example or two of a haredi psycho... Rabbi Elior Chen, the mother that starved and maimed her child whilst keeping him in hospital. So lets not nit pick over the details. MAD IS MAD and BAD MAD is WORSE!!!!!!!
20. Selma dear, there many psychiatric men ruling countries, see
Mo ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
Iran Ahmedinajad to name but one
21. #2 You are soooo CORRECT!!!
Mo ,   israel   (07.25.10)
It is an absolute disgrace, look back over the past few months, in every case you will find a negligent social service provider. The blame lies at the feet of the Kfar Yona social services Department.
22. #14 Remember Rose
Mo   (07.25.10)
Sharona you are so correct. The time has come for some kind of liability to be laid at the feet of these so called experts. They dont know how to do the job they are responsible for, or are completely negligent. I would bring a court action against the social welfare department that was dealing with this case. Same as for Rose Pizam, the French social services sent a letter to the social services here in israel saying that Marie Pizam was a danger to her daughter. Well we know the story dont we.
23. #11 Talula because ynet makes sure to say so
Charedi ,   Eretz-Isroel   (07.25.10)
it's very easy to add up and figure out that it's a maximum of 1%.
24. #23 For sure you didn't study at school
Talula ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
First you need to establish where the 99% came from (it's a pie in the sky figure from Izaak) - if you look back in Ynet over the last year - the majority of child related murders and crimes - are all from the religious sector. Doesn't make it worse, it only makes us believe what we've always believed and that is religious people who parade around like penguins, then murder their children, are not religous - but simply people who want to sponge money from the State instead of going to work - No religion says it's OK to murder your children - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Looooooozer!
25. #13 Avi, you and Charles are self-hating bitter hypocrites.
Charedi ,   Eretz-Isroel   (07.25.10)
Why don't we hear from you the words you use when ynet makes sure to include in the headlines and in their report that they are Charedim or religious Jews: "Save the innocent children from the insane and murderous secular dads!" Because you and Charles are bitter hypocrites who hate religious Jews with a passion! Shame on you!
26. #2 Obviously you're not married.
Israel   (07.25.10)
Clearly you've never been betrayed by a man who you have given three beautiful children.
27. Mothers at the mercy of social services
Ronith ,   Herzliya, Israel   (07.25.10)
Before, during and after divorce proceedings, mothers are at the mercy of more - and all too often less professional social workers for whom the mother is only bad-mouthing the 'loving' father, who has been cut off from his children, they won't be confused with facts, the father may be hurting his children, the mother has the duty to 'hand over' the kids. Irrespective of the number of absolutely frighteing and sad cases, mother is wrong, father is right.
28. Welfare Dept.Overload & Appalling Management
Mimi ,   Israel   (07.25.10)
As a an ex- Social Worker who specialised in managing paren-child contact visits after divorce in both Australia and the UK, this episode is horrific but partly a symptom of very very badly managed welfare services. Social Workers mostly do a great job, but are appallingly overloaded with the huge numbers of mostly very complex, time-consuming cases. It is just impossible to always accurately predict, not to mention conduct the numbers of monitoring-type home visits required. This is the same in the UK.The last time a child died at the hands of brutal parents or caregivers, an expensive, exhaustive national enquiry was launched, telling everyone what we already knew. Thereafter, after the "negligent" Social Workers involved were publicly pilloried, things just returned to the way they always were with little change except fewer Social Workers wishing to enter the profession and work in this area, hence, making the problem even worse. Mostly, I think, managers in Welfare Depts should have demonstrated extra education and experience in good Management practices...oh...and pay them a decent salary.
29. # 3 Izaak
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.25.10)
Izaak ! Haredim don't kill but they do other crazy things,like following blindly their misleading rabbis,how many beans to put in the choolent,whom to marry,for whom to vote,sanctifying canaanite pagan graves in Yafo,pelishty pagan graves in ashdod,the list is long.
30. # 8 very sad
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (07.25.10)
Salma ! You are right, in the west, psychiatric patients and other elements who are a threat to society,have more rights than their potential victims,how do you deal with them in your society ? maybe we can learn somthing from you.
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