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Oliver Stone: Jews' domination of media prevents free Holocaust debate
Amir Bogen
Published: 27.07.10, 10:36
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1. What a sad f*** this Oliver Stone is.
Johnny ,   Stockholm Sweden   (07.27.10)
2. 52 million people perished in World War II,but only the Jews
Rivkah   (07.27.10)
who are described in the Bible as the apple of God's eye were rewarded for their suffering with a nation for them. If that is the nation the Lord sees as His own, then it is natural that He would put Jews in places of high authority in various fields and governments to protect them.
3. I like this guy. And I also like Mel Gibson.
Jens ,   Germany   (07.27.10)
Remember how he showed the truth in his Passion of Christ? Which is why he got all the negative attitude from jews living in the world.
4. Oh Oh – Oliver Stone and the Jews
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (07.27.10)
The "Holocaust industry" in the USA certainly exists and has consistently used Holocaust as a political lever with every US administration since WW2. It is responsible for devaluing the lessons of the Holocaust as a result and also for carrying out self-perpetuating activities in which 'the good of the survivors' is used to access funds which haven't always reached survivors. In Israel we haven't exactly covered ourselves in glory with the way we dealt with survivors and finances. BUT when a great film-maker embarks on the kind of project Stone is engaged with and describes it the way he has, then you cannot say the Holocaust industry deserves all the blame. That he trots out the now well publicised Meersheimer Walt contention that the Jews run US Mid-East foreign policy and adds the spicy suggestion that they run the US press too, is extremely worrying, if not because it's not substantiated. This is well beyond Stone's need to publicise an upcoming film by courting enough controversy to raise audience figures. Challenge the Holocaust industry - OK. Make ridiculous claims about a US wide Jewish press and power conspiracy - not OK. The question remains however, what is to be done about this? The answer isn't simple and Stone knows it.
5. Same here and there?
Jake in Jerusalem ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.27.10)
Why is it that when morons overseas promote anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views they are called anti-Zionists and antisemites (properly one word, incidentally) but when the same members of the Ignorantsia here in Israel promote the very same ideas, they are called "Anshei Ru'ach", as if their vacuous statements are holy, infallible truths? Why should Israeli poets, bawdy novel authors, talentless sculptors, singers in a permanent drug-induced stupor and just plain boring film directors be considered any better qualified to run the country than the (admittedly incompetent) politicians who normally run Israel? Why focus on an antisemites like Oliver Stone and Mel Gibson when Israel has a long parade of it's own uncultured leaders of local 'culture'?
6. Well, any publicity is good publicity
Talula ,   Israel   (07.27.10)
The man can't make a decent movie anymore - one flop after another – Oliver Stone is the impotent of Hollywood film makers. And, like so many other has-beens in Hollywood, this reject turns his attention to politics in order to keep in the limelight. Even negative attention is attention. Stupid loud mouthed CLUELESS Idiot. His Jewish father should slap him right round the head.
7. too bad for u Oliver
david cohen ,   china   (07.27.10)
u just lost me as an admirer! i now know that you are an idiot! us Jews never tried to "monopolize" the hitler story. besides, even a non brainy like you could understand that Hitler caused the death of the 1/3 of the Jewish population (33%) and -thank God- not even 1% of the Soviet Union citizens. idiot.
8. Hollywood elite thinks their star power gives them higher IQ
Yaniv ,   Israel   (07.27.10)
9. That's because Gypsies & others didn't exist
Walter Lebowski ,   Perth, Australia   (07.27.10)
I've seen several shows and movies where the Jewish person mentions "6 million killed", as though the gypsies, Russians and other minorities don't count.
10. If the Holocaust really happened as bad as you make it sound
Mark ,   Netherlands   (07.27.10)
Let people debate it. Let those who oppose ts existence also express themselves. What's wrong with that?? Why does one have to be criticized every time he or she speaks about the holocaust?? Why should there be arrests in Europe just because someone does not agree with the holocaust and anything related to it?
11. Yes the Russians have suffered , very much
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.27.10)
But less as the Jews in % . They were not put on transports to Auschwitz . His apologies ? after his other "remarks" ? how should we believe that he's sincere ? i don't believe this guy .
12. The Jews run the media ..... That's the Truth
Salma ,   Palestine   (07.27.10)
some one must tell the truth, Stone is half jewish ,you can't classify him as anti-Semitic , can you?!
13. A little more tact
Said ,   Amman, Jordan   (07.27.10)
Though he could have used a little more tact with his comments, and a little less generalization, his comments regarding Hitler and the Russians are factually correct. Hitler was propped up by industrialists in Germany and around the world, including the USA where Prescott Bush (Dubbya's grand-pappy) was instrumental in providing funds (through Brown Brothers Harriman) to Hitler's regime because they saw him as a bulwark against communism. As for Russia, it suffered more casualties than all the other countries (axis and allies) combined! So yeah, they did suffer the most, and they received no attention or gratitude from the West since. Had Hitler defeated the Soviets, he would have mopped up Britain and Europe would still be under the Third Reich. Lastly, Stone is right when he implies that the story surrounding Hitler's rise to power, and his support base, is largely ignored in favour of showing the suffering of the Holocaust victims. That doesn't diminish the suffering of the innocents of the Holocaust, but proper historical perspective is required.
14. The Nazis did not put Russian children in the OVEN
Esther ,   TEL AVIV   (07.27.10)
The Nazis did not put Russian children in the OVEN More Russians were killed in A WAR, country vs. country. The Jews were the only ones to be systematically killed. OLIVER STON=IGNORANT
15. So Mark, how many Dutch were starved to death by the Nazis?
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (07.27.10)
Did the Nazis really starve tens of thousands of Dutch to death, or did the Dutch just make it up to get more reparations from Germany after the war? Why do the Dutch always complain so much about the Nazi occupation of their country? Shouldn't you all have been happy to be adopted by the Reich and thrilled to serve your Aryan masters? Really, Mark. How thoughtless of the Canadians and other allies to have invaded your country to kick the nice Nazis out. Just think, if it wasn't for those nasty Allies, you'd be living in a Nazi paradise with no Jews, no gays, no communists, and with all your fellow Muslim Nederlanders serving your Nazi masters. Reality means there is no need to debate the well known fact that the Nazi butchers murdered tens of thousands of your countrymen, not the well known fact they murdered in cold blood 6 million Jews, nor the fact that Germany caused a war that left tens of millions of others dead. You are the type who would not believe a fact if it hit you in the face.
16. No. 12 Salma
NYC Girl   (07.27.10)
I'm sure that Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner must be very surprised to find out that they're Jewish. You really should stop repeating that tedious, old canard about the Jews controlling the world. In fact, the real power is in the hands of the Arabs with their oil. Who, unfortunately for America, have much more nefarious goals.
17. according to the nazis he's jewish
david ,   uk   (07.27.10)
18. #10 Oliver Stone ignorancy have no limit
Dani ,   Amsterdam NL   (07.27.10)
Hitler for sure has killed more Russian than Jews but there was a little difference between the two situations. Against Jews was genocide they were normal citizens with no place to escape and with no weapons to defend themselves.Dear Mark Ask to your Oma and Opa what is happened to Jews during the second world war Before WWII Jews were persecuted in Europe almost everywhere (in Russia to) After WWII did not receive justice most of us did not recovered anything Gentiles were owning our properties. Under British mandate in Palestine we were sent back to concentration camps boats full of Holocaust survivors were sinked in Poland there were pogroms. Now in Israel we do not have even the right to defend ourself. This is pure Antisemitism, now that after 60 years your consciousness is clean and you can restart the game you played for 2000 years "Kill the Jews" At least today because Israel exist we can defend our self from Crusader and Ottoman empire as well
19. Numbers speak for themselves, get over it, world knows ..
Jack. A   (07.27.10)
20. and what about
Fabio ,   Italy   (07.27.10)
arab lobbies preventing a debate about 1 million arab jews expelled from their countries during 60s? They dominate media too...I think so called cultural elites' self-referentiality made people like mr. Stone speaking the way he does
21. What about it Oliver Stoned
James ,   Herzeliya   (07.27.10)
What about the one million civillian deaths caused by the US armed forces in Iraq? Can we talk about that... I believe the germans, the Dutch, the Spaniards etc.. were all part of this genocide. Lets talk about it Oliver Stoned.
22. the rest of WWII deaths?
Javier ,   Valencia; Spain   (07.27.10)
This guy simplifies the Shoa, that's not good as it gives fuel to antisemitic feelings. The Jews were exterminated like animals by the Nazis. They have been very aware of this and made it public worldwide. Hitler was obssesed with the "Jewish problem".The rest was "war" and "minor races". However, it would be good to review the other victims of the Nazis. But that has nothing to do with the Jewish lobby. They make awareness of their suffering; that's normal & intelligent. Other victims should do more, but please remember that after the war...they were exterminated by Stalin, his own ruler! Stone forgot this...
23. Oliver Stone is of Jewish descent
Troy ,   Canada   (07.27.10)
Oliver Stone's father was Jewish. Just thought I would point that out. His comments were wrong, but he's not necessarily anti-Jewish.
24. The Nazis Targeted The Jews
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (07.27.10)
Anyone who fails to recognize that the primary target, the most important target, of the Nazis was the Jews, simply doesn't know history. That other peoples, including the Germans themselves, suffered, and suffered badly, is of no question. They did. But, the Nazi mind and machine was driven by virulent anti-Semitism. They hated Jews. Everyone else who suffered was "collateral damage".
25. # 24 Why they hated Jews? that much
Chris ,   USA   (07.27.10)
26. Its not Jews in general - its cultic leaders capitalizing
Josh   (07.27.10)
What would the extremist religious do without scaring followers into a controlled environment? For these extremists, stating that it was only against our members works better than saying it was againts multiple groups. It helps isolate some from the world with a false them-against-us mentality. It was evil against everyone, including the unwilling GERMANS, and specifically against the Jewish religion. A Hitler vendetta against everything he hated including mentally ill, Jews, gypsys, etc.. The whole antisemitism and holocaust issue loses so much when the truth becomes a threat to the Jewish people. If the Russians did suffer more than the Jews, what good would come in denying it or over stating it? Have the debate and bring holocaust knowlege to the table. This is why honesty integrity and righteousness are the cornerstone of Torah. Groups that fail to admit (if true) that Russians suffered more, misrepresent the people they are trying to protect and only harm us in the long run. Russians did suffer very much and paid a heavy price. They were also key to the defeat of Hitler. No one likes a liar or fraud and the Holocaust is real and needs no embelishment or comparison of who deserves the most sympathy or who might have got too much. Jews should not be blamed for leaders and false teachers with supremist agendas who callously run around saying 6 million while neglecting to mourn the other millions as they should. I long to hear the truth 14+ millions because it says what the majority Jews really feal "we care others suffered and died". This is EXACTY why Stone raises this issue now. If the discussion is held and it becomes obvious that Russians did suffer more, our Jewish leaders should stand like men and concur in due respect. Although we suffered greatly, we ackowlege we are not the only ones. It was a curse of holocaust and a curse of war and a curse of death for many people. How can Jews silence those who state they speak for us and make a mockery of our people by censuring the world to stop this debate. I as a Jewish person feel disrespected and marginalized by Lobbies or teams of lawyers who make it look like we hide rather than promote the truth. Speak freely on the Russians behalf and thank you Russia for all you did for the Jews and the world.
27. #23 There were Nazis of Jewish descent as well
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (07.27.10)
I use the term broadly but there were 3 Field Marshalls of Jewish descent in the Wehrmacht during WW2 one particularly loathsome was he a member of the Nazi Party i don't know but he ignored pleas from some of his staff officers who were more Humanitarian then he and knew of his Jewish descent o help save some Jews. The 3rd in command of the Luftwaffe had a Jewish Father.Emile Maurice Hitler dear friend was a descended of Fench Jews.
28. 11 to 17 million murdered, not just Jews
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (07.27.10)
Dachau was the first camp and held mostly German political prisoners for the first 5 years. Google Wiki the Holocaust and read for yourself.
29. Rod @ 27, it only poroves there is enough crap among every
leo ,   usa   (07.27.10)
people. (BTW, it is believed that Hitler himself had Jewish grandmother). My only hope that these people are an outlier rather than the rule.
30. Mark @ # 10
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (07.27.10)
Go visit Westertbork kamp . See the number of Dutch Jews who were murdered , VERMOORD ! In your country around 90 % of the Jews were deported to their death . And you doubt that the Holocaust occured !
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