Algeria won't honor Jewish property restitution requests
David Regev
Published: 27.07.10, 13:39
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1. house was not big enough. I am sorry.
Palestinian ,   Refugee   (07.27.10)
I am sorry it was not to your standards and if it was too humble. I will give you my life savings and return to living like a dog who must scrape for food. Maybe this will make you happy.
2. To #1: mythomaniac Arab squatter
YouWon'tConTheWorld ,   Real world   (07.27.10)
Stop your victimist propaganda. Arab refugees are the consequences of an Arab agression against Israel. Jews were ethnically cleansed by Arabs who cannot tolerate religious diversity.
3. To: No. 1
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.27.10)
Stop with the self-pity; it is maudlin and you only demean yourself. Keep in mind that the Arabs who left in 1948 did so voluntarily, having been urged to get out of the way of the conquering Arab armies. They promised you everything; they delivered nothing. Jews in Arab and Moslem lands, on the other hand, were forcibly expelled. So your "poor, poor, pitiful me" rings rather hollow. Sorry if sixty-plus years of violence and terror haven't tweaked my compassion.
4. Egyptian Government 48-49
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (07.27.10)
Part of my family was kicked out of Alexandria Egypt and we lost our land, a nice business, bank accounts, jewelry, just about everything except for photos and clothes on their back. More Jews fled/ or were kicked out of Arab lands then so-called "Palestinians" kicked out of Israel.
5. #3 Not all true
Omri ,   Israel   (07.27.10)
Not all of left willingly, some of them where forced out so Israel can have a majority of Jews. Some others ran because extremists powers still had some power back then in Israel. Still Israel had a bad economy when all the Jew refugees came and still Israel had taken them in. The fact the Arab countries don't take the Palestinian refugees in like Israel shows that they only use the Palestinian suffering for their own ends.
6. Pathetic to equate
GUH   (07.27.10)
the Palestinian expulsion and the so-called "Arabic Jewish" expulsion. For one, the Palestinian expulsion took place between 1948-1949, a very rapid, mass expulsion (and if you ignorants out there recite your usual myths, read the works of your historians and the memoirs of your prime ministers), whereas the so-called "exodus" lasted 1949-1967, and happened at the provocation of the Israeli government; the Levi Affair comes to mind. It's Zionism's central goal to attract as many Jews from the diaspora, and since the Arabic Jews were the closest, they were the ones to come first after 1949. And I suppose we should say that all those who fled to Israel were refugees... are the 1 million Soviet Jews who desperately wanted to go before the collapse of the USSR also refugees? Should Russia give them property and whatever you're demanding now? But really, none of you really care- what you really want is to escape moral responsibility for your crimes.
7. #1 yes it will
8. but what do they write in their newspaper?
Krzysztof ,   Warsaw   (07.27.10)
is this a serious article or tabloid-style? what is the average opinion in those newspapers regarding this issue? are the voices nuanced ? in which direction are they arguing? Mr Regev must have read those articles, or? There is even no link to your original article regarding this issue... And concerning the merit, yes: Jews should stand up and sue those hypocritical regimes for the crime of cleansing the most of the Middle East from diasporas that were established 1000 years before the Arab presence, period. Most of mizrahi Jews were uninterested in zionism, but they were cleansed despite that. Althought the case of Algeria is on average quite different, as in most cases it was the result of the civil war and subsequent split from France.
9. Meant 'Lavon' affair earlier,
GUH   (07.27.10)
not Levi.
10. GUH #8
dr daniel mostrel ,   paris   (07.27.10)
the big difference is that jews expelled from arab countries decide to live either in israel or elsewhere and they do arabs who left consider themselves as refugees wherever they live and the arab counties where the y are living discriminate them and don't give them citizenship million of refugees across the world try to rebuild their life why not the palestinians?
11. Zionist movement pushed "Arab Jews" to join the new entity
Moise   (07.27.10)
They used propaganda, creating a sentiment of insecurity by bombing Jewish centers like Irak, Egypt, Morocco. Any fair investigation would prove it. Algeria is different. Jewish community followed the French colonialist, they refused to be citizen of an arab independant Algeria. They were a fervent supporters of French Algeria. Palestinians in the opposit were driven out their homes by force when their property was stolen with support of Western "democracies" Any Jewish compensation demands is unjustified
12. To: Omri at No. 5
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.27.10)
Omri, I think you will find that very few Arabs who left did so involuntarily. Most were more than happy to sit safely on the sidelines and then come back and plunder Jewish homes after all the Jews had been pushed into the Sea. Oh well. The best laid plans of mice and men .... You are quite right in pointing out that Israel, deep in the throes of the tzena, had the added burden of absorbing millions of penniless refugees -- whether from Arab and Moslem lands or from the ash-heap of Europe .... but Israel did absorb them. It is not the fault of Israel that the Palestinians have not been absorbed by their petrodollar-soaked brethren, but rather have been left to rot in those sordid refugee camps. That is a quarrel which the Palestinians must take up with the 21 Arab states who have steadfastly refused to resettle them; it is NOT Israel's problem, except to the extent that it fosters terrorism born out of hatred and despair. Like I said, though -- sixty-two years of terror and six wars have blunted by compassion.
13. Why should they, does Israel honor palestinians property? NO
ezra   (07.27.10)
14. To: No. 6
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.27.10)
Bottom line: the Palestinian Arabs should have accepted partition in 1947. Oh well. Can't put toothpaste back into the tube. And just to show you how readily the Palestinian Arabs do not learn from their mistakes, they twice since have rejected a two-state solution, including one which would have awarded them 90% of the West Bank and East Jerusalem as a capital. By the way -- there is no such thing as an "Arabic Jew." There are Arabic-speaking Jews, but I don't believe that's what you meant to say. I think you are just ignorant in the most basic of facts concerning the Arab-Israeli conflict. The balance of your post tends to prove it, too. Nearly one million Jews were expelled from their homes following Israel's victory in the War of Independence. Forced to leave with little more than the clothes on their backs. Following Israel's stunning victory in the Six-Day War, what few Jews were left in Arab and Moslem countries were forcibly expelled from their homes. In the aftermath of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, most of Iran's Jews made their way to Israel. And, of course, as you mention, the refugees from the Soviet Union and latterly from Russia. Moral responsibility for the Palestinian Arab refugees rests with their brother Arabs, who have steadfastly refused to resettle them. Therein the crime; Israel's only "crime" -- at loeast in your eyes -- is that it had the temerity to win all six wars and successfully combat Palestinian Arab terror. You have a very warped sense of justice and morality.
15. #10 dr. daniel
GUH   (07.27.10)
There's a good reason for that. For one, Jews are automatic citizens of Israel. Many Arabic Jews were not necessarily Zionists, but were encouraged into feeling "insecure" where they were and told that they'd be automatic citizens in Israel (read the Gun and the Olive Branch). While it is true that Palestinians suffer a great injustice in Arabic countries whose leaders only pay them lip service, do not equate them with Arabic Jews: they had a country that was taken from them, and they consider themselves citizens of that country. All refugees have a right to return to their homeland, but not the Palestinians, whom you expelled. And I find that people like you are very eager for the Palestinians to become citizens of other countries; when they become citizens of other countries, you want to get rid of the Palestinian identity, thereby erasing all memory of the great crime committed in 1948.
16. The Arabs are unaware of the injustice?
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (07.27.10)
Bullshit - the truth is they are as aware as the Germans were of the what happened in the camps. And for the exact same reason they don't care - because they profited from the theft of Jewish property.
17. #3 Sarah
Zeal ,   Zionist America   (07.27.10)
That's a myth that even Israeli historians have debunked. Come off it: you know that the vast majority of Palestinians were forcibly expelled by your leaders and soldiers, or from fear that they will be massacred, like some of the 500 villages you burnt to the ground. Here's a quote (and if you don't like this one, I'll give you a better one): "We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we have to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and trying to undo some of the evil we committed... we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them." (Jewish Newsletter, New York, 9 February 1959, cited in Erskine Childers, 'The Other Exodus' in Spectator, London, 12 May 1961)
18. compensation
dr daniel mostrel ,   paris   (07.27.10)
untrue algerians jews never been asked to stay under algerian rule anyway they lost all their properties because they left all in others arab countries life was never a dream under arab rule it was different just with colonialist powers like france and britain they were unable to stay and left without their properties (my grandparents were from turkey and tunisia)
19. 5
zionist forever   (07.27.10)
Omri Some palestinians were forced out for sure there was a war going on and the arabs were the enemies but around 90% left out of free will. It was arab custom at that time to leave the village when there was a war and they were terrified of the stories they had heard on the radio which the invading arab states had put out but in the end it scared them so they ran. The arab invading armies assured them this was going to be a quick war over in a couple of weeks. Jews would have been driven into the sea they could return and enjoy the spoils of war. Problem was it didn't work the way they had been planned. In the arab world the bulk of the jews were forced out under threat of death with nothing more than what they could carry.
20. #17;Zeal, sorry your wrong and bias
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (07.27.10)
While many anti-Israel writers attempt to simplify these issue below are other quotes from Arab leaders themselves. Also here is a brief history on this event: "The first to leave were roughly 30,000 wealthy Arabs who anticipated the upcoming war and fled to neighboring Arab countries to await its end. Less affluent Arabs from the mixed cities of Palestine moved to all-Arab towns to stay with relatives or friends." " Arab nationalist Aref el-Aref explained in his history of the 1948 war: The Arabs thought they would win in less than the twinkling of an eye and that it would take no more than a day or two from the time the Arab armies crossed the border until all the colonies were conquered and the enemy would throw down his arms and cast himself on their mercy." In fact both took place many left of their own free will, some left because if they stayed and cooperated with Israel they would be considered traitors and others were expelled. Like in all wars since the beginning of time refugees are created.
21. #14 Sarah
GUH   (07.27.10)
((Bottom line: the Palestinian Arabs should have accepted partition in 1947... Bank and East Jerusalem as a capital)) And why should they have? The partition was completely unfair. It guaranteed 55% of the land to only 33% of the population, 95% of whom came from different countries, whereas they who still formed a majority in Palestine were given only 43%. It was unfair from the start that the British got to colonize them instead of giving them their homeland like they promised, and then allowing so many immigrants in the first place. And if you call the two-state solutions that Israel has come up with 'fair', then you belong in the smithsonian. ((By the way -- there is no such thing as an "Arabic Jew." ... The balance of your post tends to prove it, too.)) Just as there are 'Arab Muslims' and 'Christian Arabs,' I do believe there are such things as 'Arabic Jews,' but that's irrelevant. And I believe I'm well-versed in the Arab-Israeli conflict thank you very much.
22. #14 Sarah (part 2)
GUH   (07.27.10)
((Nearly one million Jews were expelled from their homes following Israel's victory in the War of Independence... latterly from Russia)) You proved my point in the second half. The Jews WANTED to leave their homes. They weren't expelled from Russia and Iran, they WANTED to go to what they thought was a better home. The Palestinians DID NOT WANT to leave, and I don't think they would have even if they were encouraged by Arabic leaders. And I'm trying to send you some very interesting quotes, but Ynet for some reason isn't posting them.
23. #14 Part 3
GUH   (07.27.10)
See my post #15 on arguments about resettlement. The central purpose of Zionism is to resettle Jews, but that you want the Palestinians resettled testifies to the fact that you want the Palestinians to lose their identity. And I find it utterly laughable that an Israeli like you is telling me about "justice" and "morality." Your code of justice and morality is so warped, sometimes I wonder whether a human being is actually typing back these responses.
24. To Zeal (#17). So you like quotes, do you??
flyingdoc57 ,   Florida, U.S.A.   (07.27.10)
If you like quotes so much, why don't you try this one on for size (and if you don't like this one, I'll give you many more just like it, including a few from none other than Mahmoud Abbas): Regarding the myth of the "Nakba", Jamal Husseini, the nephew of Grand Mufti Hajj Amin El Husseini, reported to the U.N. that "The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce; they rather preferred to abandon their homes, their belongings and everything they possessed in the world and leave the town. This is in fact what they did." ( Jamal Husseini, Acting Chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee, speaking to the United Nations Security Council. UNSC Official Records (N. 62), April 23, 1948, p. 14.) Have a nice day, fool.
25. This whole campaign
Zeal   (07.27.10)
only started in recent times in response to the Palestinian's demand of their right to return. Before that, very few if any claimed that they were "expelled" from Arabic countries. For example, Shlomo Hillel, an active Zionist from Iraq, says, "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."
26. #20- Mark
Zeal   (07.27.10)
Thanks for giving me a known propagandist group for your source. It's like telling you to read this website, which I admit is quite detailed and powerful testimony: Besides, you only mentioned those who left before the war... how about those during and after it? Like I promised, here is some other quotes: "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" from the memoirs of Yitzhak Rabin, leaked 23 October 1979. Wrong and biased? That's a prime minister I quoted there.
27. To: No. 21
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.27.10)
In view of the fact that the British had already lopped off a huge segment of the Mandate to create the "Hashemite Kingdom of the Transjordan" (no historical base to that, by the way), the partition was eminently fair. The lion's share of the territory was to go to the Arabs, with the Jews being given a tiny sliver. So much for "lion's share." The land which the Jews worked so hard to make fertile and lush was to be given over to the Arabs. And still, the Jews accepted partition. The Arabs did not; preferring to go to war instead. They thought they would win. They did not. Forgive us for being victorious, but to the victor belongs the spoils. Finally, after six failed wars and sixty-plus years of unrelenting terror on a global scale, the Palestinian Arabs should be grateful that Israel is willing to throw them any crumbs. And the two-state solution that Arafat (may his name be cursed throughout eternity) walked away from was the best possible offer the Palestinians could hope for. Yet another in a long, long line of really poor Palestinian choices. Nothing as good will ever be forthcoming again. Arabic is a language. Not a nationality or an ethnicity. The term "Arabic Jew" makes no sense. And if you believe that there is such a thing as an "Arab Jew," then you are not at all well-versed in much of anything with respect to the Middle East.
28. To: No. 22
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.27.10)
Your argument is not well grounded. The Jews that came from the Soviet Union and Iran did so DECADES after the establishment of the State of Israel, when Israel enjoyed a thriving economy and could absorb the refugees. That said, I note for the record that the Palestinians that did NOT leave their homes in 1948, despite being urged to do so by the Arab leadership, are citizens of Israel today, enjoying a higher standard of living than most Arabs, with the same rights as all citizens of Israel have (although not all of the obligations, e.g., military service). The phrase, dear, is "Arab leaders." As I mentioned previously, Arabic is a language, not an ethnicity.
30. Sarah #27
GUH   (07.27.10)
I'm not argue with you forever as it seems you continue to give conclusions that were long rejected by even the least knowledgeable Israelis. First, you're right: the British had no right to split land here or there or promise anything to anyone. Broken promises by the British laid the foundation of this conflict. Some Jews accepted the partition, because they had nothing to lose from it. Others, like Begin, wanted even more land (and war gave Israel the perfect pretense to carry out this land grab). I commend you for your triumphs in warfare, but with or without war yours is a malignant entity born of sin.
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