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Hamas summer camp: Weapons training for leaders' kids
Roee Nahmias
Published: 01.08.10, 15:38
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1. :: Questions for the Ynuts
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.01.10)
Isn’t "Youth Battalions Training Week" officially part of the Israeli educational programme? During this ‘training week’ aren’t young Israeli school children taught how to use M-16 rifles and also take part in Field training exercises? Also don’t the illegal settlers in the Palestinian WB teach their young children who to use guns from a very early age? For example: http://tiny.cc/qok76
2. Our future peace partners, as the US, EU, etc. would have it
R ,   Jerusalem   (08.01.10)
Didn't Arafat's camps look the same. What a joke. The whole 'peace process' is a joke. It's the pieces process.
3. where r all the human rights bs, condemning all this?
chumus ,   ful   (08.01.10)
oh! of couse, sorry. i forgot they are all so blind by hating israel, they totally forgot the worlds "other problems"...
4. Child soldiers, it is illegal, but does the UN Human Rights
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (08.01.10)
Council has anything to say about it? Does the UN General Assembly or the Security Council? Do NGOs promoting human rights?
5. Brief answer
Jackie ,   Florida   (08.01.10)
Hyst a brief answer to all of Matty Groves questions: No. Young Israeli children are not trained in use of weapons, nor does their schooling include lessons that the Arabs are descended from pigs. Sorry, you are so delusional.
6. :: Jackie - #5
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.01.10)
There is no point replying if you are unable to answer specific questions. Your statement is clearly false in light of the photo I included in my previous post. Also you do not acknowledge or deny the "Youth Battalions Training Week" programme. I can only conclude that your are ignorant on such matters, I would suggest that you read the following document: http://www.knesset.gov.il/mmm/doc.asp?doc=m00657&type=rtf.
7. MATTY GROVES
(08.01.10)
the difference here is that israel is training its future soldiers for DEFENSE. you do not see 14 years old israeli kids sending missiles into gaza do you? on the other side, these gaza muslims are training their kids and infants in hate and terrorism and an ideology of hate and violence. this is what i call an example of severe child abuse and depravity. i never saw an israeli or jewish mother claiming that she want to have as many children so that all of them will die as shahids so that they can kill every palestinian alive. on the other hand, you can see youtube clips of many many mothers who say and do these things, culminating with a "wedding celebration" before the palestinian child goes to blow himself up and kill jews. what kind if parents are these? it defies the imagination. what mother will send her child to bomb himself for a "cause"? camps are meant for summer fun, for learning, for swimming and enjoying the sun, for arts and for music. this is what they are in israel. i never saw summer camps in israel as we see the gaza summer camps here. it is really shameful and barbaric and a violation of the children's emotions and future. are you not embarrassed to support this or at least not to condemn it irregardless of how you feel about israel? i wonder your sense of morality here. hamas doesn't only use its children, but also mentally disabled youth and men and women that have no chance in society to marry or have a family. for hamas they are useless and so, they recruit them, put suicide belts on them and send them to blow themselves up. also, apart from little children the hamas indocrinates and uses as suicide bombs (see youtube video on the child that was caught with a suicide belt on israel's border with gaza while he was crying that he didn't want to die. the army robot took the belt of and sent the child home to his parents). also, hamas uses gaza palestinian women that has dishonored their families in some sexual ways and, knowing that they will have an honor killing, hamas offers them a choice: blow yourself up and reach heaven and paradise or you will die anyway by your family's hand in an honor killing. a woman that was disfigured and operated on by an israeli surgeon in the hospital was sent by hamas to bomb the same hospital she was operated on who saved her life and face from burn scars. she knew she will never be able to marry being disfigured and so hamas used her to send her ot kill herslef while she killed her doctor and as many jews there in the hospital. AND YOU COMPARE WHAT HAMAS IS DOING TO ITS CHILDREN AND WOMEN TO THE TRAINING ISRAEL GIVES ITS YOUTH FOR DEFENSIVE MILITARY TRAINING???? morality, my friend, morality. judgement. YOU LACK IT ALL. hameed aboughaze, iranian hameed aboughaze, iranian
8. #1
Omri ,   Israel   (08.01.10)
Dont know where you got that picture but know any military training at that age is ILEGAL IN ISRAEL. Summer military camp is run by the military at th age of 17 not 13-.............. In camps more early then age 17 you DONT GET TO USE WEAPONS ffs where are you getting this? Know that in israel's military camps you dont learn about hating and killing the enemy but rather you learn that the enemy is also a human and not to dehuminise him. I was in one of those camps awhile back i know what I'm talking about. Its all basic IDF idiology anyway, something im geussing people like you cant grasp.
9. UNRWA ARE A DISGRACE
john   (08.01.10)
Why do UNRWA which are responsible for the education of these kids in the UN funded schools in Gaza permits it's kids to train with weapons of war?is this really a summer camp for kite- flying or missile firing training?
10. :: Jackie - #5 - also
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.01.10)
I forgot to mention one thing, in relation to: “nor does their schooling include lessons that the Arabs are descended from pigs”. While this instilling of hate and racism may not be part of the official Israeli school curriculum it is still quite common among some classes of Israeli youths. In Hebron for example you can clearly see such graffiti as “Arabs are pigs” or “Gas all Arabs” etc. Jackie if it is not the schools that are teaching this hate and racism who does? Maybe the parents and religious leaders?
11. the biggest shame here is
(08.01.10)
that both anrwa, the eu and america who supplies money to gaza, cannot see how this money is being used. shameful and disgraceful on the eu, anrwa and the usa part. hameed aboughaze, iranian
12. :: Hameed - #7
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.01.10)
It hardly matter if Israel is training school kids for defense or attack purposes they are still training and indoctrinating young children into the military. Either way you have not answered my specific questions: 1) Isn’t "Youth Battalions Training Week" officially part of the Israeli educational programme? 2) During this ‘training week’ aren’t young Israeli school children taught how to use M-16 rifles and also take part in Field training exercises? 3) Also don’t the illegal settlers in the Palestinian WB teach their young children who to use guns from a very early age? Like Jackie you prefer to engage in hasbara instead of directly addressing these questions. Unless you can confirm (or disprove) these three questions don’t bother replying.
13. Nothing New and to Matty Groves
Yaakov ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.01.10)
1) PLO/FATAH has had these children's "camps" for years. So this is nothing new when it comes to the occupying Arab force in the land of Israel. 2) Arabs in the land of Israel (and other places but esp... here) are institutionally and culturally inculcated with Hate for Israelis/Jews from cradle to grave. To varying degrees this is been ongoing since the Arabs invesnted Islam in their homeland of the Arabian penisula. 3) Jews/Israelis on the other hand are not institutionally inculcated to hate Arabs..any resistance or mild hatred comes from the Arabs murderous actions against ISrael's indigenous population.
14.  Children's weapon only their childhood.
Salma ,   Palestine   (08.01.10)
Matty Groves,You're right 100 % but whot said that what "Israel "is doing with "Israelis " children and young , is right and moral ?!!
15. We give our children pens and books...
Eric..d.... ,   Israel........   (08.01.10)
They give there children guns and bullets.Thats why we are were we are and they are were they are.Sad but true.
16. Summer Camp for Hamas kids.
DT ,   TA Israel   (08.01.10)
They missed out the suicide belts.
17. reply to matty groves
Michelle ,   Charlotte, USA   (08.01.10)
The Israelis teach their children self defense. Hamas teaches children to murder (until even the trees and stones say "there is a Jew behind me, come kill him"). If you can't see a difference I feel for your soul.
18. @1 - False caption
Palhod 50 ,   Israel   (08.01.10)
You have implied that those children are learning how to use weapons. That is a blatant lie. That image is from one of the IDF's show and tell ceremonies where all civilians are invited to LOOK at IDF weapons. There is no training or shooting involved...
19. To the talkbackers
Israeli   (08.01.10)
I am sure we can find examples of children exposed to violence, weapons, propaganda on both sides. Instead of trying to ignore one side's barbarism and show the other side is wrong, try speaking out against all violence and teaching children that violence is acceptable.
20. #12
(08.01.10)
here is how i am going to answer you. 1. israel is not training school children to hold m-16 until they are 17 years of age, A YEAR PRIOR TO ARMY CONSCRIPTION WHICH IS 18 YEARS OLD. period. show me any military protocol in israel that takes kids earlier than 17 to train them with m-16, guns and live ammunition please and also provide sources with footnotes. israel is training kids 17 years and older and it is not called youth battalion training week, but GADNAH from what israelis i met told me. it starts at 17. you spend a couple of weeks in the summer to do this on a military base. also, there is no indoctrination and no one screams itbah al arabi or allahu akhbar. no one in the military ever seen or spoken said arab pigs or kill and gas the arabs. never. i spoke with many soldiers in jerusalem asking them political opinions and never heard israeli soldiers refer to arabs as the palestinians refer to jews in their mosques ands society. unlike the hamas charter that calls for the annihilation of jews in israel as a comandment from allah to all of the palestinians to do. READ THE HAMAS CHARTER IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME! IT IS DISGUSTING. THIS TRAINING IS NOT PART OF THE ISRAELI EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS NOT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT DOES THIS. IT IS THE ARMY! ISRAELIS 17 years and older do not go to bases to be indoctrinated with hate but to learn military skills of defense and to learn also discipline and military life in general. 2. no, no one is given f-16 when they are 17. the base from what israeli soldiers tell me is housing these kids in baracks and training them in gymnastics, in military defense procedure and tactics without any live ammunition. no one is given guns, grenades, f-16, etc... i challenge you to find one idf protocol that says they arm 17 years old and train them to kill. not a single military base does what you claim. 3. the "settlers" as you call them are a very bad fringe of israeli society from what i hear. most israelis do not like their policies and behaviors because they are as fanatic as the islamists, however, not as violent by becoming suicide bombers in arab cities. one picture doesn't make a the rule. it may be that some in the settlements do indeed do such acts and maybe teach their children to dislike arabs, but you still do not see them sending their children to blow themselves up in gaza malls and busses. the settlers are a very small fringe of the israeli secular population and they are marginalized by most israelis since they are radicals but a small minority that doesn't make much of government policy. they are actually hated by most israelis i am told. what is hasbara? if i am engaging in it than i wouldn;t have answered your three questions as best that i could. have you been to israel? have you talked to the people? i guess not. also, can you confirm any of your allegations in #12? articles (not al- jazeera or bbc) , foot notes, army protocol, bases where 17 years olds are trained with live ammunitions, etc... unless you can confirm your allegations, do not bother responding. hameed avboughaze, iranian
21. #12
(08.01.10)
i forgot matty one point to say to you. if hamas gave these children math education, education in sciences and literature and nice religious practices in islam and also books and pens and pencils and rulers and a love of learning rather than hate and murdering, maybe they would be as advanced as israel is today. imagine with so much violence and wars against these israeli jews, they still managed with the horrible security problens they have, to build the most prosperous, innovative, advanced, educated and modern democracy in the middle east surrounded by the most primitive regimes that have a long history of one failure after another. one of them is hamas. hameed aboughaze, iranian
22. Suicide children! and u say palis dont
Rehavam ,   Israel   (08.01.10)
have culture
23. WHAT A NICE LEARNING AND FUTURE WE EXPECT FROM THESE KIDS !.
joe ,   kfar saba   (08.01.10)
BLOWING TERRORIST END
24. Hameed, "Settlers"
Yaakov ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.01.10)
Hammed, with all due respect, the "settlers" are just Jews living on their Jewish homeland land...if one feels compelled to use the root " to settle".. one must if honest call it resettling or call them resettlers since they are Jews returning to their land. It is not the first time that Jews have lived in their land. Judea and Samaria and Gaza when conquered and occupied in 1948-1949 by Egypt, Jordan (which sits on ISrael's east bank) made those areas "judenrein" (free of Jews) They used Jewish tomb stones for paving roads and for urinals. They destroyed many synagogues. The resettlers are not a radical group. They are only standing up for their rights as Jews to repopulate land they were expelled from. I remind everyone that according to International law (and histrical facts) everything west of the Jordan river beloings to the Jews (which is 23% of their homeland) wickedly, 77% of their homeland was given away to appease A Saudi family to set up the kingdom of Jordan. So now we want to divide the land(the remaining 23%) further? How many more divisions do we seek? The ultra secular radical leftists pretend that the brave peaceful resettlers are a "finge group" and different than them...somehow doing something "wrong". To most Muslims and Arabs settlers in the land of ISrael they do not accept Jews to live in sovereignty on any of their historic and present homeland.
25. why not; settlers steal their land, burn their olive trees!!
(08.01.10)
26. Future "innocent civilians" killed in the next war
Danny   (08.01.10)
27. #1, they look like 17 and 18 year olds to you?
Danny   (08.01.10)
28. #12, apparently telling you makes no difference
Danny   (08.01.10)
The youth battalions training is for 17-18 years olds who are about to join the army. This Hamas camp from the photo shows children with paramilitary training who at the very very most 15 and the boy with the sniper rifle looks much younger. The photo you show that of the settlers is clearly different. These guys are being trained to use weapons in action and in case that is not obvious Hamas spelt it out. The picture you showed is of a few kids playing with some unloaded guns. From the way they are holding them they are clearly NOT being trained how to use them in combat. I know this will simply float by you as you simply don't care about the truth.
29. #24
(08.01.10)
i am not against settlers and i agree with you 100%. jews have right to live in all their homeland. you are right. what i was trying to explain to matty groves was that most israelis do not like them for some reason and consider them responsible for lack of peace and fanatic. i did not say that i feel this way. i simply wrote what some israeli soldiers told me in jerusalem. that is all. but i do not know enough about settlers as people and their opinions or history to make an accurate opinion here. i do not mean to offend you. just to write what a few soldiers told me. this all. respectfully hameed aboughaze, iranian
30. Hamas Cries To Media When Children Get Killed
Jethro ,   Marquette, MI   (08.01.10)
Hamas Has No Problem Putting Children on the front line. It gives them a better chance to cry to the media when Israel responds to the children shooting at them.
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