The settlers are on the land of their own promised to them by God. The land will be their forever, and those trying to steal it are destroyed by fire.

darlings? The lefties are supporting a religiously racist and classist system hahahahahah

Hameed, "Doostesh", thank you for the clarification. I distinctly get the feeling that most Iranians are pleasant people and that most iranian citizens in Iran wish to live freely without the fanatical regime or the fanatical minority who supports them. I have communicated with many Iranians....mainly in the United States. What is your opinion? All the best,

...is that they're all potential Zionist soldiers. I wonder if they'd agree that it should work both ways. I doubt that this camp was on Ashton's itinerary of the Gaza Strip. THREE CHEERS FOR ISRAEL!!!

Thanks for confirming that Israel does indoctrinate its school children into the armed forces. I never specified an age group but now that you bring it up I would state that my understanding that Israeli children as young as 15 yrs are recruited into the Civil Guard and 16 yrs in the Border Guard. The simple truth of the matter is that Israel children aged from 15-17 perform military functions. I would also add that children wearing military uniform identifies them as ‘combatants’ regardless if they are armed or not. Tell that to the illegal settlers in the Palestinian WB.

Provides school books and study materials. They have stores in Gaza where Palestinians can buy these items, including toys for their children.

Note: Hameed it would seem that my previous post has been withheld by the Ynet moderators so let me try this piecemeal: <1. israel is not training school children to hold m-16 until they are 17 years of age,> Seriously Hameed you really have to try and do better than this. And I quote: “On the day before last we had a shooting range. They gave us a magazine and told us to shoot 10 bullets. Some had their magazine finished after 7 bullets; some continued to 15 bullets … I had a very big dilemma whether to shoot or not to shoot. I didn’t really need to know how to shoot *because I was 16*; there is no reason”. Dafna, a 16 year-old school student from Haifa who participated in the Youth Battalions Training Week in late 2003 "Gadna" is short for "Gdudei Noar" and in English this translates to "battalions of youth" doesn’t it? Generally these Israeli youths train for a week don’t they?

Note: Hameed it would seem that my previous post has been withheld by the Ynet moderators so let me try this piecemeal: Again I quote: “A teacher who accompanies classes participating in the Gadna program says that in the current curriculum there is shooting *and military indoctrination*” - from an article on Haaretz about the new IDF Gadna programme which is criticized for being overly militaristic. Then why did Education Minister Yuli Tamir state: "We (the Israeli Education Ministry) educate the pupils to civil and social commitment to the state, which includes military service. If the IDF is helping us encourage this outlook of commitment, then I will support the program." I think we have already established that these kids are given guns and live ammo on these youth battalion training weeks.

Note: Hameed it would seem that my previous post has been withheld by the Ynet moderators so let me try this piecemeal: <... i challenge you to find one idf protocol that says they arm 17 years old and train them to kill. not a single military base does what you claim.> I never claimed this, you should really read my posts more carefully. Actually there are over approx half a million illegal settlers, hardly a small fringe as you’d make out. Imagine half a million illegal settlers armed with weapons and training their children to use weapons, not a pretty picture is it?

delusional person ! living in an alternate reality probably... Shame on you for supporting the same people who supported 9/11 , 7 / 7 etc...

while they call for the kids of citizens to come out and meet the "evil Zionists". I've never known of a kid from the PA or Hamas elite sent to be part of the "resistance". Mostly, they were sent abroad to study...in Paris or London.

imbecile, this picture shows a toy gun and is a purim celebration in israle where most kids dress up like soldiers, aviators, haman or queen esther. a little logic and some brains will do, please.

answers: all school items were not banned from gaza from 1967-2006 before the blockade which was established when hamas violently ousted fateh from gaza by killing them and hundreds of civilians and shooting and jailing fateh believers and followers point blank. all materials were available to gaza children all the time with no blockade before hamas threw fateh out and started shelling thousands of shells into israel. this is when the blockade begun, my friend. before that any school material and everything was available to all children in gaza. THE QUESTION IS, IF THERE WAS NO BLOCKADE THEN, WHY THE SUICIDE BOMBINGS AND TERRORISM INTO ISRAEL? you said for the last 4 years there is a ban. but before that there was no ban and yet the hamas terrorised israel on a continuous basis with suicide bombers from gaza and the west bank killing thousands of israelis. why did hamas not provide what i claim should have been provided to their children up until 2006??? who did they provide terrorism and hate education rather than the math, poetry, literature, chemistry and all sciences children deserve to learn? hamas and fateh provided nothing to palestinians except hate and indoctrination. period even with all the availability of all school material needed. as to toys, same arguments as i posted above. lots of toys in gaza up until 2006 and no bans of anything at all. even electricity and water provided by israel and everything provided by anrwa. YET, DESPITE ALL THE TOYS IN THE WORLD, TERROR REIGNED SUPREME IN GAZA BETWEEN 1967-2006 when the ban then was established because of the barage of rockets and the borders closed because of that too. so, you see hameed, even with all the toys and all the school books, not one hospital was built in gaza from 1967 to now days. not one laboratory for scientific discoveries and research. not a single university to educate the gaza population except the one built by israel years ago that even that, they used the labs for bomb making when an explosion occured in one of the university labs and anrwa found that it was used as a bomb making "factory" instead of a lab for research. or when hamas was found to steal blankets and flour and food items for the palestinians and stole it for themselves to sell them for a higher price to tghe palestinians and make a profit on their people's misery. or when hamas bombed and burned an anrwa summer camp recently because it was "corrupting their children with western values". western values??? is swimming, reading and playing water games in pools wester values??????????? even if all the toys in the world enter gaza and all the school books and crayons, etc... are avilable there, hamas number one priority is terror and to use the money allocated to their population to steal and cnfiscate it and buy weapons and illegally import them for the purpose of terrorism, gaza children be damned. children are not important to hamas. only when they can be used as suicide belt wearers and indoctrinated little useful idiots to do the dirty terror work for hamas. DO YOU KNOW A SINGLE HAMAS LEADER CHILD THAT WAS VOLUNTEERED BY HIS PARENTS, BY HANIYEH AND MASHAAL TO BE A SUICIDE BOMBER? ANY OF THESE GLORY PEOPLE SEND FAMILY MEMEBERS TO SACRIFICE THEMSELVES FOR HAMAS? NO! IT IS BETTER TO USE THE POOR STUPID BELIEVERS PEOPLE AND THE "USELESS CHILDREN" OF GAZA TO BLOW THEMSELVES UP AND KEEP THE LEADERS' CHILDREN ALIVE. these leaders are cowards and you know it. the son of the greatest hamas warrior leaders of gaza has defected to the usa and through his disgust of what hamas is doing, converted to christianity and wrote a book about hamas. you will cry after you read it what a waste of humanity hamas is. no greater evil exist. no greater depravity exists to match them. his story comes from the mouth of a man that was involved in the highest hamas echelons and operations. you can't possibly call him a liar too? HOW ABOUT THAT, MATTY? hameed aboughaze, iranian

no no. yes, you DID SPECIFY AN AGE GROUP. YOU SPECIFICALLY CLAIMED THAT CHILDREN ARE USED. again, israel is not taking to these programs "children under 17 years of age". only if you are 17, you go to the bases to train prior to enering the military at 18 after high school. a 17 year old in israel is not a child, my friend. just like hamas complains that israeli idf kill children on the streets. "children" these "children" are 17 year old combatants with the terrorist. they carry their missiles, guns and protect hamas against enemy fire. anyway, if hamas claims that kids at 17 are children and not combatants, israel is also allowed to include 17 years olds in its pre military training. you should cokpalin to hamas that their 17 years olds are children that should never be used as terrorists and suicide bombers, matty. no person under 17 is ever alloed to enter a base in israel or use live ammunition during any time in israel. it is against the law. only 17 and up can do it to train for the next year in the army. no such thing as children of 15 in the civic guard nor in any border guard. you are insane. first, you cannot serve in the border guard unless you complete 1 year military which starts at 18. its the law. show me one proof that 15 and 16 years old serve in civic and border guard. not a single proof. no israeli between 15-17 ever perform any military service at all. never. you have no idea what you are talking about. there is not a single shred of evidence to your claim and you saying that "it is my understanding..." doesn't mean that it is true. maybe you really do not in fact UNDERSTAND THE LAW IN ISRAEL. isrsaeli children in israel during the purin festival like to dress in army uniforms as soldeits and carry plastic uzis. i saw this with my own eyes when i was there during this past year celebration. but, I WOULD NOT CALL THEM COMBATANTS AND THEIR TOY GUNS LIVE AMMUNITION. only a fool wouyld claim that children that wear this kind of uniform for fun are combatants. what are you going to do? shoot a 5 years old with a plastic gun? children under 17 also dress up as us generals, indian worriors nad various other military costumes during hallooween in usa., ARE THEY COMBATANTS? ARE THEY IN THE USA ARMY?? fool. verbal gymnastics will only carry your argument so far and then, one begins to feel they are talking to an absolute moron. forgive me for the insult, but your dumb argument just makes me laugh. hameed aboughaze, iranian

as to your point number 1, you gave no source at all. just posted some quote that means nothing to me. i have no idea where you lifted it from and where it came from. please provide a source, i said. a sourced. not an empty qoute. yes, you said,... AND I QUOTE. but this is YOUR QUOTE, not someone else's. provide a source please. as to gadnah, i have an iranian jewish israeli friend of my family in beer sheba. his son in 17 and is now in the summer in gadnah. yes, they do train for two weeks per year. and they do then train with live ammunition. BUT NOT BEFORE 17 YEARS OLD AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE. hameed aboughaze, iranian

trying to confuse the issue is not in your interest because i am way too intelligent for your verbal games. as i said, it is at 17 that these students are taken to bases and trained in military tachtics and given guns because it is a year before the army and so the pupils need to become familiar with the military scope, the routine, the use of ammunition and basic training in discipline and military life. what is wrong with that??? american kids in the navy and military do it in ROTC and at 18 they go straight into the navy, airforce and military. so, one year is a big deal to you? the idf wants to train these pupils to be more comfortable with aht the army will require of them in a year. what is your problem with that? how is the israeli army doing an anything different than the american military when they also have rotc on campuses???? every army TRAINS, NOT INDOCTRINATE THEIR RECRUITS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INDOICTRINATION???? IN GADNAH? I HOPE YOU DO NOT MEAN THAT THE ARMY TEACHES THOSE PARTICIPATING IN THE PROGRAM TO BE TERRORIST LIKE HAMAS TEACHES IN GAZA. what yuli tamir said has nothing to do with army indoctrination. she said simply that the israeli school system educates for civic and social commitment to the state WHICH INCLUDES MILITARY SERVICE!!!!! and then she states that IF THE IDF GADNAH PROGRAM IS ENCOURAGING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM VALUES OF CIVIC AND SOCIAL COMMITMENT, then she, will support the program. ARE YOU SAYING THE YULI DOESN'T SUPPORT THE GADNAH PROGRAM? WHERE DO YOU GET THAT. SHE AGREES WITH GADNAH AND WILL SUPPORT IT IF CIVIC AND SOCIAL COMMITMENTS TO THE STATE ARE ENCOURAGED, WHO SAID GADNAH IS NOT ENCOURAGING THESE COMMITMENTS? YULI OR YOU? IT'S YOU! NOT YULI. as to your last paragraph, i already told you ad infinitum that i said 17 years old with live ammunition. i agreed with you on that one. but not younger than 17 which you claimed in your last post. hameed aboughaze, iranian

if you re read your post to omri number 39, you will see that YOU YOURSELF CLAIMED THAT JEWISH CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS 13 AND 15 ARE SERVING IN BOTH THE CIVIC GUARD AND BORDER GUARD. these are your words, your claims, not mine! what do you think they do in the border guards my friend???? when you lie that 13 and 15 years old children serve in the border guards, i say you are insane and a total liar. you should not ask me to re read any of your posts because i did and found this little first paragraph of your post number #39 to omri, in which you state precisely that children 13 and 15 years old are used in the border guard and civic guard. yet, in this post to me, you claim that you never said such a thing. that you never claimed that 17 years old are armed and trained to kill in military bases. not 17, you say, but, you go on further to CLAIM THAT IN FACT 13 AND 15 YEARS OLDS ARE SERVING THE THE BORDER GUARD AND IN THE CIVIC GUARD. the border guard is one of the most dangerous units in idf and you claim that 13 and 15 years old serve there according to the first paragraph in your post #39. maybe you need to read your posts more carefully so someone like myself would not catch you twisting the facts and nailing you with them. now, about the settlers, i am not really that interested in them to begin with so i don't think that i would like to spend my valuable time discussing something that doesn't interests me in the least. and by the way, half a million out of more than 7 million total israeli population is a drop in the bucket. it is less than 1/7th of the entire population. as far as i am concerned, i have never heard of a settler strapping a suicide belt on his body and blowing himself up in um al fahem or in jenin or in tayibe. i believe it is, thanks to hamas, the other way around. again, from what i understand from talking to both arab israelis and jewish israelis, the settlers are more of a headache for the government than any one around them and that instead of the israeli army constantly protecting them and their children, they are allowed to have guns to protect themselves against terrorism. the palestinians and settlers antagonize each other on many occasions, trees get pulled up and destroyed by settlers and palestinians come into the settlements to steal farm equipment and sometime cars, etc.. but real terrorism between the two populations doesn't occure as from gaza and hamas. i do not know much about the settlers. from what i hear, most israelis are against them anyway and the government as well. they have representation in the government, their religious parties, etc.. but if the israeli government finally establishes peace and two states, i am convinced that 90% of israelis and their government will have no problem to relocate and compensate them. after all, look what they israelis did in gaza with the settlements so this can also be done in the west bank. don't get me wrong here. i and most israelis do want two states for two people . but the terror and missiles have got to stop from hamas and hamas has to agree to the quartet and recognize that israel also has a right to live in the middle east with secure border. with HALF OF JERUSALEM...YES, I SAID HALF OF JERUSALEM, EAST JERUSALEM! and land swaps. the question is WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT HAMAS, ITS BELIEFS AND IDEOLOGY? how is israel ever will be able to have a complete palestinian state when hamas has no interest to participate and give up its ideology and dream of freeing all of palestine...including tel aviv, by the way. hameed aboughaze, iranian

Once again Matty, Israel does not provide textbooks to the Palestinians. They create and distribute their own textbooks which is how they incorporate hate speech into their textbooks. If you want to be more convincing, post information more current than August, 2009 and provide a direct link to this reference of 120 truckloads of stationary so I can check it out. You have a habit of making things up and using unreliable sources.

Where did you get this quote Matty? Did you make this up or take it out of context like you frequently do? Please post a direct link to the quote. By the way, I love the way Hameed does circles around you.

or put differently half as many people as voted for Ross Perot in 1992. You consider him mainstream or a fringe figure?

This camp is training children who are not even 16 to use weapons for use in combat ie to kill. Do you have an example of an identical camp where young children of equivalent age are being trained to kill in Israel? Not some vague, oh i was given a gun and maybe i shot it or didn't. Something that is the exact equivalent of this Hamas training camp.

When they become teenagers, these WB kids will graduate to beating up Palestinian kids on their way to school.

A few differences, though: 1. The M-16 "training week" as you call it, is performed ONCE and even that is in a confined space, never ever outside of it, and only for a very minues. 2. The training camp is for 17 year olds, only a year before their mandatory service. As you see from the photos, these kids are 12.