Opinion  Amnon Abramovich
Next withdrawal inevitable
Amnon Abramovich
Published: 08.08.10, 18:42
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1. What a jerk--what lies--
Shoshi ,   Galil   (08.08.10)
This is one of the worst propaganda pieces that I have read recently. Hey guy, if you hate being Israeli and Jewish so much and don't love every inch of G-d givine Eretz Yisrael-- move to Europe and join your friends and your funding. Why don't you 'disengage' from the rest of us who love Israel, who admire pioneers who turned the sand into viable farms? Go and see what it is to live among the nations whom you so love . Who needs you here? Why stay if you favor the Arabs? Try living in Cairo or maybe Casablanca. Just go and let the rest of us be rid of your wonderful globalism and your pipe dreams of a tiny dependent vulnerable Israel begging for crums from your American and Europeans friends. Shame on you Ynet. And I was thinking that maybe you stopped being so knee jerk leftist. I'd like to see some 'rightists' get an Op-Ed.
2. Only if we let it be inevitable
Rivkah ,   Israel   (08.08.10)
It can only be inevitable if we allow it to be so. If we lay down our rights and don' t fight for what we believe is rightfully is ours, like the Arabs do, then we can only blame ourselves. So stop giving up our land, stand up for what is rightfully ours, before we lose it all. www.yeshabulletin.com
3. Shame!!!!
Ricardo Macher ,   Karnei Shomron IL   (08.08.10)
How can this "person" receive a salary from the state (the state includes people who don't think like you Mr. Amnon) if he is SO partial in his analysis? More than that, all his comments have been proven wrong and 72% of Israelis think he is wrong. Please, kick this old guy out of TV and send him to the retirement house where he belongs!!!
4. Cruel and unsensitive man
Arik ,   Guivat Yearim, Israe   (08.08.10)
Who wants to uproots 500 000 Jews from their home! The German Army?No Jews like you who prefer the gentiles to their own people. How can you be so cruel and hard towards your fellow Jews? And for what? If a Jews has no right to live in Judea, then he has no legitimacy either to live in Tel Aviv. You may succeed in your disgusting goal, the result will be dishonor for Israel and more war, if I was an Arab I would think final victory is close.
5. dumb article
alexi   (08.08.10)
this dumb article by abramowitz takes israel nowhere, extends the pathetic pacifism of haber and olmert . He forgets to tell readers that there will be no peace after withdrawal and that quassams will fly into ben gurion and tel aviv. But he wants to withdraw. Why? Because he is jewish. What is jewish? A man with genes of servitude and beggary. That's what olmert, haber, now abramowitz, ginsberg,ramon, livni, beilin, ben ami all have in abundance-genes of fearful cowards. No peace will never come to the middle east. Only alternating periods of quiet. In the meantime, arabs need to move to jordan, all of the arabs who wish to go. They all have to go as they are occupying israel ancestral homeland.
6. "There are six things which the Lord hates....
Steve Klein   (08.08.10)
.....Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him...... (Proverbs 6: 16-19). Read it! Now, Israel faces two fateful issues: "Occupation" and the mass slaughter of Jews. Amnon Abramovich makes a disingenuous pitch for the later.
7. Occupation, disengagement??
Brod ,   USA   (08.08.10)
Modern Israel is in their Ancient Land of Israel. There is no occupation. The excuse on 'occupation' is the typical crap of the Islamist-Jihadist and AntiSemite world. Why disengage from your own liberated historic homeland? Just because your enemies want to leave your GOD-GIVEN and GOD-RESTORED liberated Historic Homeland, does not mean you have to leave and drown into the Mediterranean Sea. Why be obsessed with a fantasy on peace? The fact is peace never existed in the region since ancient time. The battle is between the GOD of Israel-the Creator of the Heavens and Universe, and Satan and his followers. This battle will continue till the End Time when Messiah comes to rescue GOD'S people and put an end to the dark forces.
8. Meek sheep ,following the Great Meek Shep Abramovicz
ab   (08.08.10)
preaching on "inevitability". Inevitability of Qassams on Tel Aviv this time? Imagine a great Medieval Ghetto ,waiting for inevitability of yet another slaughtr
9. Wow
David ,   Haifa   (08.08.10)
Kol Hakavod, Mr Abramovich, for telling us exactly like it is, even though many of us do not want to hear the truth.
10. We need missiles on Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem As well?
JM ,   Israel   (08.08.10)
lots of facts misrepresented, especially the compensation numbers - ignores the reality most Israelis understand which is that the pullout lead to more missiles, more dangers, hamas, control, and lots of blood.... not really something we need to repeat.
11. Amnon Abramovitch
(08.08.10)
Let us hope Abramovitch gets his dream. Let us hope that in the next eviction Abramovitch is uprooted from his home, with his condescending lifestyle at the top 1/1000 percentile of Israelis. The food he eats, the water he drinks and the air he breathes is enough for tens of Arab children in Gaza to lead a normal life. The fuel Abramovitch uses to drive his SUV and to fly to vacations in Tuscany could warm the houses of thousands of Arabs in Hebron. Yes, may his dream come true and his condescending lifestyle come to an end.
12. disengagement inevitable
Bear ,   zefat, israel   (08.08.10)
You've got a fantastic vocabulary. Too bad you don't have any brains!
13. WITHDRAWAL
LAWRENCE RAP ARTISTE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (08.08.10)
Amnon Abramovitchs' Brain withdrew from his head ,it seems.
14. The left wingers say we have a demographic threat so...
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (08.08.10)
we must leave most of Judea and Samaria. Yet these same left wingers want to absorb thousands of non-Jewish foreign workers and their children and are against a Sinai fence being built. Something just doesn't add up!
15. Abramovich is a RADICAL ATHEIST LEFTIST!
Channel2= ,   RADICAL LEFT   (08.08.10)
try another expulsion and only civil war will be inevitable!
16. this op-ed would never get translated to Hebrew because
Jason   (08.08.10)
hundreds of Hebrew speaking Israelis would curse this guy to death!
17. disengagment from what ? ..
michael redbourn ,   Arad - Israel   (08.08.10)
Amnon Abramovich crafts an entire diatribe around "we must disenage" but he never once mentions, from what. Amnon Abramovich is an intelligent person so it must be assumed that he didn't mention what Israel must disengage from on purpose. The article is therefore sadly worthless. Did Amnon Abramovich become a politician? Michael
18. Voice of sanity talksbacks here are funny.
David   (08.08.10)
They just refuse to see reality even if it puches them in the face. Unless of course they elect fully democratic state rather than Jewish.
19. Don't mix settlers with the occupation
Adrian ,   Santiago, Chile   (08.08.10)
Settlers are one thing, Israel's presence (including military presence) is another. I agree with the article, Israel should end the settlement enterprise and compensate settlers who are removed (though I think that as a matter of realism, it'd be hard to disengage from big settlements such as Modi'in Illit). But, the IDF should stay there because the Palestinians can't guarantee security as Gaza has showed us.
20. author will destroy the world ,AND BRINGS MASHIACH SOONER
.....DACON9   (08.08.10)
BUT ACCORDING TO ALL WHAT I READ,,,,, THE RIGHTOUS FEW WILL SURVIVE INCLUDING THE JEWS.... I WONDER WHAT CATAGORY THIS AUTHOR IS LOOKED ON IN THEHEAVENS... GIVING LAND AWAY IS AGAINST TORAH.... TAKING JEWS FROM THEIR HOMES IS AGAINST TORAH AUTHOR DOESNT KNOW JUDAISM TO KNOW ISRAEL NEVER HAD THE ODDS OR THE NUMBERS BUT ALWAYS PREVAILED.... I BET THIS AUTHOR HAS BACON ON MATZAH FOR PESACH....... WHAT A PITY....HE BRINGS SUCH DESTRUCTION TO ISRAEL BECAUSE OF HIS EARTHLY MATERIEL SOCIALIST LIBERAL PATHETIC MIND..... HE CALLS THOSE OPPOSIT HIS VIEW ''THE RIGHT SIDE''' MR AUTHOR YER DAMNED STRAIGHT.. YOUR ON THE WRONG SIDE THANKS FOR THE SPACE HERE. DACON9 EMAIL:jewswithviews@gmail.com
21. save Israel disengage
Itamar ,   Ramat gan   (08.08.10)
before the disengement from Gaza, the settlers thought it would never happen, but it happened, and so wil the disengement from the west bank, and if not, god forbid, it wil mean the end of Israel, and the zionist dream
22. Disengage, and then what ?
Jonathan   (08.08.10)
Get stronger Hamas/Hizballa Iran aiming missles at us ? It's very easy to contradict every paragraph of your article. Don't want to waste more time, but just a quick one: So the Hamas was there before we left. Was they as strong? Did they have such tunnels with such missles? Did they allow themselves to shoot like that? Amnon, you are not stupid, but also not very realistic unfortunately. Should not have evacuated the Jewish part, and you (should) know that.
23. More tabloid trash from Israeli media!
sdunc ,   US   (08.08.10)
24. Amnon Abramovich : seer of the doom
Trumpeldor ,   eurabyeh   (08.08.10)
With such twisted logics, we will disappear gaza retreat was a disaster which almost killed the Israeli society Now this genius wants to deliver the final blow: the leftists do not want to die alone.....
25. I read about the "pain" of the adolescents
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.08.10)
from Gush Kativ, its shangala, its garden of Eden and all the spoiled and entitled children who became angry and expressed their hostility and disappointment in a recent Ynet article. Frankly, I was sickened. The author of this article explains why. The "garden" was built on cheap Palestinian labour and the protection of Israel's military. I did not realize that these former residents have already been paid so much in compensation. And yet, they never stop whining nor complaining. Many have not seen fit to rebuild their lives. Imagine what would have occurred if early refugees to israel had expected so much from the reigning government as opposed to going out and fighting for their needs, families and country. I see it from a refreshed perspective now. No wonder Israeli Jews became the targets of Arab hatred in Gaza given the sweet lifestyle enjoyed compared to their (Palestinian) own diminished one. Of course, this hatred must have been already in place but we gave them increased justification. At any rate, we need to stop catering to the evacuees. They appear to be like Palestinian refugees, always wanting more and refusing to begin a new life while moving in a different direction. The author has done us all a great favour by publishing information not generally known to the informed public.. And re you Posters, information, even from sources from the leftwing, may be valuable and shouldn't be reflexively cast away as most of you have done. Giving ernest consideration of opposing points of view is what people of mature intelligence should be doing. I haven't seen much of t in this current series of posts.
26. SHAME ON YOU!!!!
barry ,   usa/israel   (08.08.10)
This is an absolute shame. this was written with a severely warped sense of reality. look at the facts a little closer, NO ONE (besides you) contends that israel is safer now than it was before the disengagement. Another disengagement would simply be a nail in Israels coffin. You should be ashamed of yourself!!
27. I did not read the article
i ,   jerusalem   (08.08.10)
The title was enough of an absurdity to turn my stomach. But i have a challenge for the esteemed author. Lets disengage from Gush Dan. The Arabs want it, the military folks prefer holding the high ground, and we have a solution for every resident.
28. Only ethnical borders can bring stability
Tomi ,   Serbia   (08.08.10)
The borders should be based on ethnical lines, while Jerusalem have to be kept under Israeli control (or negotiation on its status should be delayed for 30 years-keeping Jlem under de facto Israeli control) under any cost. Large Muslim ihhabited areas like Wadi Ara with Um el Fahem,Taibe,Jat,Baqa al Gabriyah should be transferred to the Arabs while Samarian settlement blocks, Ariel,Maccabim-Reut,Greater Jerusalem area with Maaleh Adumim and Givat Zeev as well as Gush Etzion block and southern Judean communities must be kept in Israel. With this solution Israel will keep 90% of Israelis with just 8% Of Judea and Samaria while over 300 000 Israeli Arabs will realize their dreams to become part of an Arab Islamic state
29. Integration of land and people
Steve Benassi ,   Silver Bay, MN USA   (08.08.10)
Withdrawal from West Bank will not work, you will still be at the point of the 1967 war. Israel must integrate the Arabs and Jews into one Country, two States, integrate military, schools, workplace, neighborhoods, and government.
30. Israel can exist another 50 years without peace. Yet it woul
DR ,   Hebron   (08.09.10)
Amnon. Thank you for giving us 40 more years to survive if we do away with the "occupation" by Jews of the Land of Israel. But what then?
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