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Ex-soldier presents cuffed Palestinian friends
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Published: 16.08.10, 15:40
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31. IDF send 18 yo children to do Israel's dirty job ...
aviG   (08.16.10)
what do you expect ??? young israelis are heros without wanting it. Arabs who are displeased can go & live where they came from, and they have a big choice of islamic countries.
32. Who compares these pics to Abu Ghraib is a fascist himself.
aviG   (08.16.10)
33. #20
Rod ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (08.16.10)
How many signs of life does Hezzis or Hamas give about Israelis being held ? How many Red Cross visits? and most of all how many Israelis come back alive from these groups
34. If some of you recall, Gilad Shalit and
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.16.10)
Israel were made the objects of derision in front of a crowd of 100,000 in Gaza City as an actor, playing the part of Gilad, was heard whimpering, "I want my mommy and daddy." The crowd of 100,000 cheered; I felt humiliated both personally and for the state of Israel. In the same way, this ex-soldier has likely humiliated Palestinians and has also hurt our state and possibly the relationships between Jews and Arabs in the process. I, on my part, as a citizen of Israel, would also take this opportunity to apologize to the Palestinian people. If we treat others with respect, even if they are enemies who despise us, we, ourselves, gain stature. This young woman and ex-soldier is a reminder of what not to do and how not to be.
35. THERE LAW ON THIS VIOLATION OF PRISONERS !
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (08.16.10)
IT IS TIME THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PROSECUTE THIS KIND OF DISRESPECT ! THE POINT IS SHE WAS SOLDIERS AT THAT MARTERIAL OF TIME, SPACE AND PROXIMITY ! THE FACTS ARE CLEAR THAT ATTRACTS A CHARGE ! IF THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE & THE CHEIF OF THE IDF REMAIN SILENT AS THOUGH THERE IS NOT UNRESONABEL BEHAVIOR ON THE WOMEN SOLDIER- IT IS A SWEEPING THE UNRULY BEHAVIOUR OF THE SOLDIERS UNDER THE CARPET ! PROSECUTE HER ! SEE IF SHE CAN AMKE A CASE TO DEFEND HER ACTION AND OMMISSION ?
36. #22 you don't deserve a jewish name
aviG   (08.16.10)
37. Shame
John ,   Herzliya, Israel   (08.16.10)
Yes, this act is shameful. I agree. ..IDF culture which does not consider the Palestinians as human beings with their own rights..well, the Palestinian culture considers Israelis as human beings or as legitimate targets?
38. humans rights are violated in gaza and WB on a dayli basis
dovdevan ,   ashdod,israel   (08.16.10)
there are pic showing palestinians being hanged up in public places by hamas ? " . i would like the so called human watch and betslem to denounce the crimes that are perpretated in gaza and the the judea and samaria against civilians by the palestinians !!! where are the voices of freedom when it comes to the palestinians terrorism and crimes ? ok this soldier is stupid but israel is a democracy she will be punished
39. Not that big of a deal, stop the overreaction
Mark from Georgia ,   USA   (08.16.10)
Was is the right thing to do, of course not! Is it the end the of the world, not even close. The article states: "Director of the Public Committee Against Torture Yishai Menuhin said, "These types of pictures reflect the customary norms of IDF soldiers " "Torture"?? Nobody is being tortured. You have some suspects who are handcuffed and blindfolded. Let be clear, this woman was wrong!! She has no right to humiliate these suspects, who may have been let go twenty minutes later. They were at that point just being held on suspicion of whatever. They don't deserve to have their pictures posted all over the place. But lets not blow this out of proportion, if she broke the law, take her to court, try her for whatever civil laws she broke, and sentence her. Is there an attitude among the IDF, that enjoys humiliating the Palestinians, its not clear from this one incident. But those who seemed so outraged, seem selective when they apply their outrage. After all their pretty quiet when it comes to Shalit, who was kidnapped and held w/o the Red Cross even being allowed to visit him. They never ask Hamas to release him, do they? So save the hollow indignation.
40. the stupid bitch didn't humiliate the detainees
observer   (08.16.10)
she humiliated herself, and exposed the truth about her upbringing and military training
41. Go-al Nefesh
Ussishkin ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (08.16.10)
It's not enough that we have a Sephardi Chief Rabbi and his messenger boy devaluing one part of the house of Israel with their pronouncements.Now we have IDF girl soldiers behaving just like the worst of the US army's ignorant girl soldiers at Abu - Ghraib in Iraq. How much more shame can we bring upon ourselves? What kind of light unto the nations have we become? We ought to hide ourselves away.
42. # 36 LEASHAD HASHAMEN STILL RUN IN MY VEINS, WHO ARE YOU ...
BENJAMIN ,   SINGAPORE   (08.16.10)
TO QUESTION MY JEWISH NAME ? DONT ASK FOR VENOSHANTEM ! REMEMBER a NATION PROPPED UP BY THE MERSIT OF THE THREE PATRIACHS - CANNAOT EVEN STAND BEFORE THE LRD G-D . AND YOU DONT TRY TO STAND WITH YOUR ONE-LEGEGD STOOL. EVEN MOSHE TOOD ADVICE FROM JETRO ! YOU DONT QUESTION MY JEWISHNESS OR MY NAME, I WILL NOT STAND SILENT ANYONE BEING TORMENTED AND HUMILIATED LIKE THESE PALESTINIAN WHO HAVE SUMMITED TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE IDF. DO YOU KNOW THAT IT IS UNLAWFULL TO HUMILIATE A PERSON WHO IS BROUGHT UNDER CUSTODY ? IT IS HAMEARERIM IN JUDAISM ! WITHOUT APOLOGY BENJAMIN MANASSEH MEYER SINGAPORE
43. #30 - you missed the point....
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (08.16.10)
She is demonsrating pleasure in posing next to blind folded and handcuffed prisoners, relishing the humiliation of it all. It is more than stupidity. It is morally reprehensible. It isn't the handcuffing and blindfolding, its the photgraphing and displaying the photographs. And, her obvious joy in the posting of them on her FB page.
44. TAV morons should thank her to expose her life
aviG   (08.16.10)
so that they can party in their sodom town.
45. It is a big deal!
S Stone ,   Toronto, CANADA   (08.16.10)
Mark from Georgia... It is a big deal, everything the IDF does from now on is a big deal to the entire world. World citizens are looking at the IDF under the microscope, because people are now immuned to the PR machine of Israel. By the way you talk about Shalit, what about the 11,000 Palestinian prisoners being held and tortured - some for decades without due process. It is an Apartheid, and its crumbling before our very eyes.
46. Not a wise move...she is a troublemaker
Shmuel ,   Billings, USA   (08.16.10)
what she is doing just stirs the pot even more...I doubt she had anything to do with the capture...maybe she is seeking an underserved promotion...whatever
47. Photos on Facebook
Morris ,   London, UK   (08.16.10)
Looks like prisoners are well treated, compare to what happens in Ramalla, http://freeisraelnow.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/10-years-to-ramallah-lynch-october-2000-animalism/
48. the military need to train people how to use facebook
zionist forever   (08.16.10)
When are the idiots who think they are so clever going to stop posting stuff on Facebook that is obvious shouldn't be made public? I remember not to long ago some idiot put on Facebook how he was going to be involved in an up and coming combat operation. The idiot plastered it all over the internet before the thing happened. Now another idiot puts pictures of him abusing palestinians on his Facebook page because he thinks its clever. I think that in this age of things like social networking the IDF & other armies worldwide I think its just as important to teach them about the use of things like Facebook and what they should or should not post same way as they would be taught how to handle a gun responsibly. Only yesterday I heard how the Taliban now use Facebook read what soldiers say see if there is any useful information they can gain from there. Facebook seems like harmless fun but we need to remember the bad guys read it as well and will make use of anything they find on there.
49. 27
zionist forever   (08.16.10)
I dont think there was any malice involved she just did something stupid. We have all done stupid things which we just don't think about at the time. I remember myself one time I was working at a checkpoint and some pro settler group or whatever they were came and handed out drinks to the soldiers. I picked up a flag and went up and down the line of palestinians cuing up in the hot sun showing them all my can of coke I had just been given and waving the flag. I always tried to act responsibly during my time in the army and meant no real harm then but just sometimes you just dont think properly and do stupid things I am not proud of what I did but at the same time I don't see myself as somebody who is not professional. It was a spur of the moment stupid thing. I am sure what this girl did was just her being an idiot and she didn't intend to be cruel she was just 18. As for the putting it on Facebook that was even more stupid and even if she meant no harm at the time and was just being stupid she has made herself look bad.
50. I thought facebook photos are visible for friends only?
Tahl ,   Ashdod   (08.16.10)
How on earth did this photo leak to the media? Apparently this girl stupid enough to publish such shameful photo, and even stupider not to block it for external viewers.
51. she ,like the rest of the so called idf
(08.16.10)
are nothing but cowerds !! i wonder what would happen to you if you didnt use guns and tanks and f16s????
52. That woman should get a medal for bravery.
Nick Sporek ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.16.10)
That is really not a very provocative photo at all. Prisoners get blindfolded. That doesn't equal humiliation or torture and she doesn't seem to be making any rude gestures either. Remember who the enemy is you guys and even though it's popular these days, stop trying to linch Jews every chance you get. This wouldn't even make BBC or CNN. I bet Aljazeera couldn't care less either.
53. She has TeL Aviv Media Morals
David Aarons ,   Israel   (08.16.10)
I dont see what the media is all so upset about she is only acting out the morals the media sells our youth for years How do I look am I sexy etc.A sad commentary on the indiferance of the Israeli population as to their childrens welfare. This is what society want this is what they get,
54. Simply disgusting,
NorthLight ,   North   (08.16.10)
very bad taste and against all standards of IDF behaviour. I'm appalled. This is not typical for IDF standards. What a pity this stupid, arrogant moron is no longer in the army. A stint in army prison might gave given her time to think. There are idiots in uniform all over the world - here is an Israeli example. I hope the Palestinians on the picture sue her. As Israeli, I'm really sorry. I know that anti-terror activities saved many lives, and they are necessary. But they should not be used as platform to ridicule and humiliate Palestinians. After all, the Palestinians are our neighbors. I hope the time will come soon when the relations are normalized and we can conduct business, research and proper neighborly relations with them. Treating them with disrespect is against rules of decent human behaviour and also against our interests.
55. :: Old news
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.17.10)
Such immoral behavior is to be expected as the IDF humiliate the Palestinians on a daily basis. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg in relation to photos of this nature. As with Abu Ghraib then an occupying force has complete control over civilians and “detainees” they resort to a false sense of superiority often denigrating their prisoner often out of sheer boredom. Those who are interested should watch the videos on YouTube entitled: “female Israeli soldiers ashamed of themself". From these videos you will see, from the courageous women who spoke out, that such practices are commonplace.
56. It is not a crime. Disgusting woman, but not a crime.
Josh   (08.17.10)
Since when is being an arrogant woman a crime in the middle east? Leave the stupid arrogant woman alone. She did nothing to the detainees other than take their picture. Not so long ago this type of humiliation was used against Sadam Hussein. True the cultic supremist attitude pervails on both sides of the line but this woman can't be ruined for going with the flow. As a Conservative Jewish Convert isolated from society here, I can assure you I have seen my share of being photographed. But being photographed in public is not illegal. Ok so the under the counter shots are likely illegal (who would prosecute), but humiliation of outsiders and being made to feel uncomfortable by cultic nature is a staple of shallow controlled minds who fear too much.
57. #35 You have a point - conduct unbecoming of an officer
Josh   (08.17.10)
58. Thank you bibi for torturing palestinians
Limor ,   Netanya   (08.17.10)
59. #52
keith uk   (08.17.10)
It was on BBC - repeatedly.
60. this is the kind of idiocy that gives the IDF/Israel a bad
RSL ,   EU/UK   (08.17.10)
Name,she should be court marshaled,and thrown in jail.We already have a bad name,this will fuel the hatred further.
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