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Jesus lives on in Jerusalem
Yoaz Hendel
Published: 19.08.10, 21:27
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61. America is a majority Christian country and we pay your bill
Mike ,   USA   (08.20.10)
America is a majority Christian country and we pay your bills. Lay off the Christians or pay your own bills.
62. Christianity is a Judeo-Christian concept.
Ernest ,   USA   (08.20.10)
It's complicated but not unreasonable. The conception has been conceived. For prophesy to happen, Judaism or Christianity can not stand independently. The Authorized King James Version (KJV) of 1611 makes note of a letter difference in Messiah.
63. Who's promoting the moral standards of the Torah?
observer ,   USA   (08.20.10)
64. I Read the Original Article - Perspective
Jonathan ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.20.10)
A few comments from one that read the original Hebrew article. "Jews in every sense" was originally stated they were halachically Jewish. Jews in every sense may be debatable but being Halachically Jewish is not. A few other thoughts: "If you believe in Christ, you are a Christian." -- If you believe in Buddha are you a Buddha-ite? If I believe in no God do I become an Athiest? And if I do, does that mean that as a Buddha-ite or Athiest I am not longer Jewish? Why does the Jewish world accept Jewish Athiests and not Jewish "Messianics?" It seems to me that the barrier is a cultural one rooted in historical christian anti-semitism and not on religious rationale. And don't we see that evangelical christians are by far the most faithful friends of Israel today?
65. EVERY believer in NT or its Christ is a Christian idolater
Paqid Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.20.10)
by whatever name you call it! Changing the name without renouncing the NT idol is a lie of the Deceiver. NT is displacement theology and idolatry. Rambam and all Orthodox Jews are Messianics. Believers in the NT are Christians--selectively embracing some "Jewish" ideas while rejecting others, NOT Messianics! Some interpretations and Halakhah are arguable, but Torah is indivisible: accepted in entirety or not. There or no other options. Speaking of ignorance, I've translated the entire NT from ALL of the earliest extant source manuscripts up through the 4th century CE, and all of the Hebrew tradition up through the Even Bokhan; published a 2-volume, nearly 1,000 pages, reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu as a result (The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (NHM)). I've read the basic primer, Oxford historian James Parkes (The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue, a Study in the Origins of Antisemitism) as well as extensively the historians, archeologists and scientists who have commented on the 1st-4th centuries C.E. and the Dead Sea Scrolls, especially 4Q MMT as published by Prof. Elisha Qimron. Christians, Muslims and Jews all vie to be the most ignorant and hide their heads from 1st-4th centuries C.E. history and documented facts; the most critical stage for Jews and Christians to understand. I've written two books on this: "Who Are the Netzarim?" (WAN). NO Christian, not even your top seminarians, have EVER been able to answer ANY of the contradictions in two pages of listing in WAN. and "Atonement Under the Biblical 'New Covenant'." (ABNC; all of my books are available exclusively from www.schuellerhouse.com publishers in the U.S.) You'll find book reviews by readers in our website (in the books section of our Netzarim Shop in our Mall pages). Read our website, confront the intractable contradictions in Christianity and the displacement theology of your NT, remedy YOUR ignorance and stop leading Jews astray after your ignorance and NT idol! Paqid Yirmeyahu Paqid 16, The Netzarim, Ra'anana, Israel Israeli Torah-reverer: Teimani, Baladi, Dor Dai Jew Advocate for Logic as Hermeneutic Halakhic Authority Welcoming All Torah-reverers (Jews & non-Jew geirim)
66. another "jewish" sect . Chabad also has her Maschiach
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
And maybe that other "Jewish" sects have their's too . Everyone is free to believe in a kind of "judaism" , or crypto Judaism , or be a messianic . As long as they don't proselyte , or try to convert weak people , they ALL may have theirs superstitions . At least those "messianics" are Zionist and serve in the IDF [ if what is stated is true ]
67. He Is Jewish He Is The Promised Messiah
Darrell MacChamber ,   Susanville CA USA   (08.20.10)
I am a Messianic Jew, The Torah points to Messiah, as do the writings of the Prophets, And Yeshua Himself as well as Shaul, Kefa, ect pointed back to the Torah, It is all part of the covenant that was to be ongoing and forever. If you read Torah ask HaShem through the pages to show you, He showed one such as I, and He will show you. Yeshua is the Lion Of The Tribe Yahudah/Judah and My Coming King Always remember to disagree in Love, otherwise we are no different than those who call us enemy and less than human, Shalom My Friends
68. They have every right to proselytize......
Cali Cal ,   Los Angeles, USA   (08.20.10)
you dont have to answer the door, accept a bible, listen to their preaching if you don't want to but some people might want to listen and it is their right. As an Athiest I dont like being woken up Saturday morning but Jehova's Witnesse's in my neigborhood but I dont get ticked off or angry, I just politely tell them no thank you.
69. Yes, Krzysztof, fear and hate
Christian ,   Sweden   (08.20.10)
is what you see in several talkbacks here. If you are borne by a Jewish mother you are Jewish even if you don't keep one mitsvot or so we are usually told. But of a sudden that does not apply if you believe that rabbi Jesus of Nasareth is the Moshiach. If hate and fear had not clouded the mind, the correct answer would be, yes they are Jews but with a false belief of the same kind that e.g. some parts of Chabad have about rabbi Schneersohn. It's not more difficult than so. But alas if you are borne by a Jewish mother for ten generations and keep shabat and kashrut you are not a Jew if you believe in Jesus of Nasareth as the Moshiach. And by the way from what we can see from the eldest parts of the Christian tradition, the Jewish parts that is, Jesus was reluctant to be talked about as Moshiach and his disciples certainly did not think of him as G-d. Jesus himself prayed as a good Jew to his father in heaven. In later Christian tradition under Hellenistic influence Jesus was made into something like "G-d". From the beginning it was not so! Please go and learn. It's still time to get somewhat educated. Strange it is that if you are desecrating the shabat and eat pig and hail Mammon as your god, you are still if not a good Jew at least a Jew but if you think about the kind, pious and lovable Jew Jesus as the Moshiach you are thrown out.
70. not a missionary? huh?
bob ,   New Zealand   (08.20.10)
< "They were wrong and we must now lead the movement to fix this mistake," he says. "It is our global mission." > sounds like a missionary statement to me.. there are 100s of different versions of christianity.... and to be honest from some of the comments I've read on this website from followers of messianic judaism I would say that this particular christianity belongs in the ultra-fundamentalist looney tunes basket along with the Westboro Babtist Church in the USA. Christianity has some modern versions which are quite harmless and which dont insist on the literal thruth of anything in the bible. These churches do not need to be ''fixed'' by messianic ultra fundamentalist missionaries who believe that G-d punishes sinners with earthquakes and floods etc.
71. 65 - come on, your group believes jesus is messiah too
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (08.20.10)
sure you dress him up in rabbinics and give him a hebrew name to make him more palpable for a jewish audience, but it's a bit ironic for you to weigh in on this subject. funny you don't mention THAT in your post, lol! i guess you just can't resist showing all the hate & bitterness in your heart. maybe you can gain your ever-elusive acceptance that way, who knows?
72. To # 45
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.20.10)
If being Jewish is based on religious belief, what do you call all those people, who are recognized as Jews, but don't believe in God and couldn't care less about Torah? Now, if being Atheists doesn't diminish their being Jews, why does that not apply to Jews, who happen to believe in Jesus, Buddha or the Raingod? Where, exactly, is this line of demarcation?
73. Jesus/Yeshua Was and IS Jewish
Charles Allen ,   Charlotte, NC USA   (08.20.10)
HOWEVER, he is NOT conservative, reformed, or othodox. Someday SOON all of Israel will recognize the fact.
74. Messianic Muslim
Messianic boudist ,   Vatican   (08.20.10)
Those christians would have been living in muslin state, they would have call themselve Messianic muslin ! But only naive muslim journalist would think they are muslims !
75. 65 hypocrite ! you had always your "ribi yeshua"
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
in your mouth , head and writings . But we all know it : YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN , hiding behind a Jewish name and words .
76. 68 , maybe in the USA , not here
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
77. who are you to judge these people?these
anne ,   spain   (08.20.10)
people have the right to practice their beliefs.you are a democratic country isn't it? leave them alone..so what if they share their beliefs with others?as long as they dnt resort to torturing other people to bilieve in their messiah..they are peace loving people..i havent heard any of them involve in violence like the haredi
78. Throw them out!
Amchu ,   Sweden   (08.20.10)
Throw out these christians from Israel! U can not be a christian and a jew at the same time. Their goal is to convert Jews to christianity. Revoke their citizenship and let them missionarize in non-Jewish countries!
79. You people just dont understand that the
Dyslexic..... ,   Israel.....   (08.20.10)
whole world is Jewish.Its a pity nobody understands this,oneday they will.The eyes of the world will look upon Israel not Israel upon the eyes of the world.GOD said that the Jewish people are the chosen people,I can live with this,I cant live with this religious fanaticism.
80. Religion!
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.20.10)
isn't religion just wonderful? You have perfectly normal and decent people jumping all over and insulting each other over fables, myths and a Creator, who is no less unknown and unknowable to one bunch as He/She/It is to the other.
81. To #78 Amchu
Christian ,   Sweden   (08.20.10)
Agreed, Judaism and Christianity is today two different religions and as Sweden is a Christian country we should with your thinking throw you out. Then there would be one fanatic less and that is always a good thing!
82. To # 80 M. Hartley
Christian ,   Sweden   (08.20.10)
Don't think to bad about all of us religious. We are not all ignorant fanatics full of hate. But, yes, some of these talkbacks are very depressing.
83. Messianic Jews
ed ,   reno,america   (08.20.10)
Jesus said i haven't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. a Messianic Jew is not less of a Jew but a completed Jew. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and the LIfe and no man comes to the Father but by Me. Messianic Jews believe the these words are true and so do I.
84. #78 - You have zero clout...
Scott ,   Haifa   (08.20.10)
Easy for you to sit in your armchair...what do you do for Israel? If you really are a Jew, why aren't you back in Israel? Messianics are more Jewish than you, giving up their lives...serving in IDF.
85. They are Jews everywhere else but not in Israel
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (08.20.10)
They may have been born Jewish and raised Jewish but once they believe in Jesus they no longer have Right Of Return to Israel. It is quickly becoming less about blood or birthright and all about the Torah and what Rabbis say.
86. 76, Here too...
Jonathan ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.20.10)
The Israeli law is only that proselytizing is not allowed from adults toward minors (under 18). Otherwise the orthodox wouldn't be allowed to convert people to Judaism... which we all agree happens and is legal.
87. They are NOT Jews
Shalom ,   Ashdod, Israel   (08.20.10)
They are practicing avodah zara by "praying" to a statue. They are NOT Jews even if a person is dumb enough to believe the nonsense in this article.
88. messianic jews
thinkagain ,   jerusalem   (08.20.10)
Most probably these jews, who became messianic jews, did not receive a proper jewish education, and needing something more than material life offered by the secular ,are open to the first spiritual proposition offered to them. The Israel education minister should reintroduce learning Tora with orthodoxe professors in the schools.The sooner,the better.
89. #1,4,13,15 are Khazarian Jews Jewish?
observer   (08.20.10)
even most evangelicals oppose the Messianic Jews, accusing them of rebuilding the wall of partition between Jewish and gentile Christians. "These Messianics are the Nazis -- the spiritual Nazis! They pretend to be Jews and use traditional Jewish symbols to trap children and the unsuspecting." Ebionites of old blended into Judaism and deny the Messiah. To these “Messianic Jews” Jewishness means Judaism . . . a rabbinic Judaism of the Ashkenazic flavor. The majority of Ashkenazim converts came from Khazaria. If the truth about the Khazaric nature of the Ashkenazi Jews were to become wide-spread knowledge amongst American Protestants, they would recognize that the Zionists are not descendants of Abraham, and are therefore not covered by the promise in Genesis 12:1-2. After all, "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel". Are the majority of immigrants who style themselves Jews, in fact, Jews? the present-day Palestinians are far more likely the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/ Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi populace. The first time in the history of the world where a people went to colonize a land and they stole not only the land but also the language of the land and also heritage of the people of the land is in the case of the Euro Ashkenazi Jews. Since the Sephardics first converted the Ashkenazim, they brainwashed them into the idea that the world is their enemy, but their fellow Jew is a "Quiet Guardian".
90. does god even exist to meditate about a real jew or not?
ygalg ,   isreal   (08.20.10)
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