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Israeli Embassy withdraws backing from Holocaust film
Liron Sinay
Published: 26.08.10, 08:12
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1. that is sooo rich
oferdesade ,   israel   (08.26.10)
the israeli foreign ministry making any kind of value judgement, especially vis-a-vis film. their track record is soooo good that they can afford to describe anything as good/bad/worthy/rpoblematic... astounding.
2. Not a story of survival
Simon ,   TA   (08.26.10)
Unfortunately the director has lost the whole point that this is not a stroy of survival at all. She converted to Christianity and has been lost to the Jewish people.
3. how ridiculos is that????
nani ,   jerusalem   (08.26.10)
a film about a life, a destiny, a way of surviving, a part of worlds histoy, a testimony for the future, facts put on celluloid, research-work done by caring people....and then this embassy has no other way than judging this as "harm to the interests of the Foreign Ministry and the State of Israel"....how ridiculous is that??????
4. Why did she convert?
Talula ,   Israel   (08.26.10)
There's thousands of Jews that marry out but don't convert? Why couldn't they have gotten married and kept their respective religions? I don't think this is film worthy material. I'll give it a miss, thanks!
5. When did she convert? During or after the war?
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (08.26.10)
If after ...she survived the camps as a Jew. If during, converting apparently didn't exempt her, did it? Agree with Simon#2 and the Embassy....sorry Josh
6. A palestinian agenda
Raphael ,   Netanya   (08.26.10)
According to Shlim Sand's arab friends, the jewish people should dissolve into the superior islamic culture materialized by a binational state. Therefore, palestinian pimps are rambling through TA nightclubs, looking for potential converts.
7. Such is (Jewish) life!
Noa   (08.26.10)
There is no use in make believe and historic misrepresentation - the things recounted in the film happened and belong to our history. Queen Esther married Ahashverosh and wasn't lost to the Jewish people! How great of the rabbis to understand the value of megillat Esther despite its complexity. It is about time we acknowledge our complex history!
8. Jewish Bizarro World
World Citizen ,   the world   (08.26.10)
Only in the Jewish world do you hear stories and reactions like this. So tell the truth. Do all you Ynet bigots hate her because she converted or because she fell in love and married a German soldier.
9. Religion Again
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (08.26.10)
In the grand scheme of things and considering all the "foreigners" a lot of the ancient Hebrew heroes married, why is being "lost to the Jewish people" now considered a worse disaster than being, supposedly, some sort of lost to any other people or religion? Maybe the woman converted, because no Rabbi would marry them, while somebody else would, if she converted. And I can just imagine a German soldier showing up at the local synagogue, requesting to join the very "tribe," whom, a few months or years before, he may have been busy trying to erase. Oy veh and Donnerwetter, I would like to have heard the response to that! When I, at the ripe old under-age of 19, wanted to marry an American Southern Baptist, my legal guardian, a Catholic and normally a good person, vociferously objected and refused his consent, because " I know about those Mormons, the guys wearing funny hats (Quakers) ,who knows to what kind of outlandish cult this cowboy belongs, etc. etc.". Being somewhat of a spoiled brat, I didn't take kindly to this "NO" and I went on the war path, no reference to Native Americans intended. I got a lawyer to petition the court to declare me of age. Well, everything rolled along just fine, until the subject of religion reared its head and my attorney warned me that the court, while, more than likely, overlooking cultural differences, would find the additional religious differences problematic, especially involving some bunch of whom nobody knew much, if anything. So, one of us had to "convert." I didn't know the difference between a Southern Baptist and a Northern Goony and my prospective husband thought he might have dated a Catholic girl back in high school one time. Neither one of us thought much of any religion, at all. Never mind that I had already been thrown out by the Catholics, we, nevertheless, had to go through the motions for the court. So, we drew matches and I got to be a Southern Baptist, had myself dunked, presented my official, suitable for framing "You Is Now A Southern Baptist" certificate to the judge and bingo, with a stamp, a signature, and piles of official translations -payable per word - of everything spoken during the proceedings, all in triplicate, I was a legal adult, and could marry a Southern Baptist, a Northern Goony, or anything in between, if I wanted to. This is a miniscule version of what was really involved dealing with the government of the French-occupied part of Germany and with the US Military back then, especially in light of said guardian's legal objections added to the fray, but here I am. My kids and grandkids are living proof that "assimilation" even if a generation or 2 removed, isn't bad, at all, but that my aggravations were worth every Pfennig. What it boils down to is this: Maybe this couple, too, only wanted to get married and simply did what they had to do. To act as if that's some sort of universal tragedy is, in my opinion, ridiculous. The lady might be lost to Judaism, but she's still and always will be one of God's creations and I firmly believe that God has neither religion nor nationality. So, Good Luck, Viel Glueck, Mazel Tov et Toutes Felicatations to the couple! (Sorry I don't speak Hungarian.)
10. Loved your post, M. Hartley : )
Mark ,   Lodz, Poland   (08.26.10)
..it was the only newsworthy and possibly film-worthy element here on this topic and thread
11. #8
(08.26.10)
well, at least the jews do not kill any jew who chooses to convert to another religion. THE MUSLIMS DO!!!! THEY KILL THOSE WHO RENOUNCE ISLAM AND CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. HONOR KILLING OF THOSE WHO REFUSE ISLAM TENNENTS OR WHO DO MATY OUTSIDE OF THEIR RELIGION OR WHO RENOUNCE ISLAM AS THEIR RELIGION. JEWS DO NOT KILL IF ONE OF THEM LEAVES THEIR RELIGION. MUSLIMS DO! and you call jews boigots and haters???? i think you should concetrate on your islamic brothers who practice hate, bigotry and killing for just this cause. go complain to those you believe are not bigots. try to leave islam and see what your family does to you. you will have your throat cut or hanged by your privates for doing so. and you complain about jews????? incredible.
12. Interesting story, Mrs. Hartley; thank you
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.26.10)
for making the effort to publish it. Enjoyable, heartwarming and literate!
13. #11 I'm No Expert So Someone Correct Me If I'm Wrong
World Citizen ,   the world   (08.26.10)
but according to Talmudic tradition, in a Jewish ruled world (with an iron rod etc.) I could be killed for being a Christian. I would be guilty of idolatry. Therefore as a Christian I really don't see much difference between Islam and Talmudic Judaism (Pharasaism). And the same goes for fundamentalist Christianity. They are just as bad because they have Judaized the philosophy of Jesus. I see all of these forms of fundamentalism as barbaric relics. Much evil has been done in the name of these religions.
14. Over a BILLION Christians in World-Jews Ethnically Cleansed
Paul Verona ,   Algarve, Portugal   (08.27.10)
Jews, for over 2,000 years - have been ethnically/religiously cleansed by Christians, every corner of the Earth, one must understand the sensitivities here. Not by just Chrstians but hundreds of thousands of Jews have been wiped off the face of the Earth by muslims as well (all 1.5 BILLION of them, as well). The entire world BENDS OVER BACKWARDS in an effort @ understanding islamic "sensitivities", why can't they even lift a 'pinkie' finger to respect Jewish ones? Why? She converted, as someone else said, she is lost from our (tiny) Jewish nation. Intermarriage has nearly wiped out those Jews who have evolved surviving 2,000+ years of violent ethnic/religious cleansing. We don't need to be reminded of it or buy into it more.
15. #13 and this is where you are wrong
(08.27.10)
while the talmud contains at times stories like these, the jewish religion HAS EVOLVED TO MODERN TIMES, HAS MODERNIZED, HAS HUMANISTIC BEAUTY AND RESPECT FOR LIFE, HAS PROGRESSED AS DID CHRISTIANITY DURING THE ENLIGHTMENT. no one today sees jews decapitating those wo do not agree with them. no one today sees jews strapping suicide bombs to them for jihad. no one today sees jews blowing up towers for jihad or dancing on the streets with candy when the infidels die by muslim hanbds. no one today sees jews as terrorists and no one today sees the jewish religion as a terror nihilistic, biggoted, intolerant religion. no jew today murders his daughter or son for converting to christianity and there are many of them that do. no parent that is jewish today honor killsv his daughter for marrying a muslim or a christian. no jewish parent today murders his son for being a homosexual. no jewsih parent today shoots and honor kills his daughter for runnig away from home because she didn't want to marry the parents' choice of a husband for her. no jew today kills using terror on christians sand muslims. no jew today will be seen plotting the killing un mass of christians even if christianity was at the forefront of jewish suffering. no jewish man or woman today will blow themselves up to kill christian infidels. no matter what the talmud says, according to judaism, there is a freedom of expression, a freedom to choose your path free of religious dogma. jedaism is not wrotten in stone and there are many ways to live it. however, islam is wroitten in stone. has not ever been developed and enlightened and transfpormed into humanitarian religion. just have a look at sharia law and you'll see it as a death religion without a modicom of humanity, fairness and only violence and bogoptry for the other. ands you claim to know judaism???? you make me really laugh~
16. Behind fairytales
Slomo ,   Boston, USA   (08.27.10)
Behind fairytales, I see the MANE idea of this film to promote conversion of Jewish people to Christianity; even it is hidden. Conversion to another religion is another type of holocaust for the Hebrew/Jewish nation. As a nation, we can not be proud of such disgraceful act. Therefore, we can’t support production of such movie.
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