They are again milking the State , but contributing ? Unknown for them .

One who is lowly and crass does not sense his own crassness and lowliness.

They are contributing more, than a good cow who is giving a shot on his own milk.I read your tb in opinion.GRRR

They are the human shield between Ramallah and Petah Tikva. How much money would it take for you to be the one on the front-line?

Your taxmoney which reaches the Hareidim,will surely be enough, to feed the whole Hareidi comunity during all the jewish fasts.

A few Hareidim died in a terror attack.You are not a bad guy,Charles,i am sure it hurts you .Thinkagain,who are our real enemies.

Be careful not to give the impression to young people that taxmoney should not go to needy people.Many donn t see the difference between needy Hareidi and needy old and sick.

I have'nt seen any agora of their "contribution" , and nothing else either .....

Only people who sin need to fast . And i hope that because of taschlich , the whole country will not be flooded ! [ LOL ! ]

Hahaha..... I cann t believe this is jewish sense of humor . It is SO SAD.

Many , if not most , of the needy are so because they never work . A young guy , married , who has many children and does'nt work but sit the whole day in a yeshiva can be needy . His own fault . I worked my whole life , and have a pension because of this . I'm not talking here about sick people or other extreme cases .

You see , i made Alyah because of my ideas , while you , with your's are a YORED and even proud of it .

about sad people ? Yes , for all their sins , one year is maybe enough . At the end of the Yom kippour prayers , after Ne'ila , two arch enemies leave the Beth Knesseth . "Moshe i wish you what you wish me" . "Yankel , you begin again ? "

One who frivolously hands down rulings is a fool,wicked and arrogant.

What if your country of origine decides that they donn t give anymore pensions to jews?(which,I do not wish you; my wishes are only good wishes.)Than you will need the help of the state,and could be also of Hareidis,because many of them are volunteers.

This one made me laugh.Good jewish joke. And stop cursing people.Do you know what kind of beings curse?

I have enemies , those murderers and their supporters . Then i have people i dislike because they live at my expenses , don't contribute anything to the country , don't serve in the IDF , show their hatefull faces , damage public property , and so on . Not all the charidim act this way , but much to much do it , and without hearing any of their "leaders" condemning it [ or almost not ] Were you hurt when those two were murdered at this Gay's center in TA last year ? When a Jew is wounded , or murdered by a terrorist , not important for me if he is religious or not , i'm always hurt .

Feels good to see,that afterall, i judged you well(from time to time i was sceptical)you are a Mensch.

Pension : My Mother ZL , always said : the way you make your bed , so will you sleep . So i have other incomes , also thanks to the fact that i WORKED . I did'nt sit to "study" at a yeshiva to become a schnorrer .

I more pity them .

Why did you evade my question in # 18 ? re 16 : My Mother ZL , always said : The way you make your bed , so will you sleep . So i have other incomes too thanks to the fact that i WORKED , and did'nt sit to "study" at a yershive to become a schnorrer

I do not evade your very important question:"if i was hurt when they killed the gays".I am hurt and disgusted when jews think they need violence to promote the Tora laws.The gays i know, are fine guys and artistic oriented.In our materialistic world,fathers force their children to learn a profession that will be a sure parnassa.And for some, this can be a reel trauma.I am not clever enough to judge gay lifestyle.I believe strongly in Tora laws.In the Tora being gay is WRONG. The state schools plan courses teaching children that gays are ok; instead of teaching them to avoid violence, with DEBATING courses.In the States they understand the necessity of DEBATING courses.These should begin ,(while playing) in the Kindergarden. People should learn at a very early age,how to express their needs,and how to listen to others needs.In life such a course is at least as important as mathematics,if we think that Shalom is a priority.

Received your answer , in line with your ideas . That's fine . The State schools , as far as Tel Aviv is concerned , want to teach the pupils to AVOID homophobia , not that homosexuality is OK . This is also in line with your ideas , not to hate other people . That homosexuality is not accepted by Torah is something you believe , I have different ideas .

'Schnorrer"is an extremely badly adapted word, for idealists who volunteer to study the Tora recognised by most of the civilised world(a few billions printed ,see Wikipedia)Do you think it would interest them if it was only the history of jews?Thanks to the Tora laws ,that the world still exists.WE have to be grateful to people for whom money is a necessity, but not the great priority,and the least we can do ,to RESPECT them.

I can't respect people who live at my expenses , do not serve in the IDF , do not contribute to the State . In what are they better as those Charidim abroad who also study , but earn a life for themselve and family . We , the seculars do not live for money , money only gives us ther possibility to live , and not at other's expenses .

after your name.Did of course,not mean you.

I understood that it was about those whom i call "schnorrers" , not about me .

You don t hurt me.I understand what you say.I have a relative,who was a jewish princess before the war; and after the war she was a widow, with four children, without money.She didn t want to be a "schnorrer"(i don t like this word )and opened a grocery,having to go a few times a week,at 4 o clock in the morning ,at the market.Her father was one of the richest man of our town.This woman was admirable.But still the case of Talmide Hahamim devoting to Tora is different.Before the war private sponsors ,who understood their usefulness,helped those people.May be it would be better ,if today this was also the case.

in past times , and probably still today , Yeshiva Bachouyrim who married lived sometime at their woman's parents home , "Oif quest"" it is called in Yiddish . With this i have'nt any problem , i do not pay for them . But here , it's different , we pay , and you agree that it should maybe be a little different .