Opinion  Nahum Barnea
In the shadow of attack
Nahum Barnea
Published: 01.09.10, 11:19
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1. Four Israelis murdered by Muslim Arabs
Samir S. Halabi ,   Geneve, Suisse.   (09.01.10)
The two men and two women one of whom was pregnant, ambushed and gunned down on purpose, just for the reason of being Jewish by muslim arabs, I suggest that after capturing those responsible for that evil act should be made an example of to their bretheren. They should be impaled in the middle of their town for all to see, their death should be a slow one, and left for the vultures to feast on their verminous corpses. I don't think it will be possible to make peace with those un-g-dly beings, as they the arabs still believe that one day they will have the whole of Israel and the jews will just vanish into thin air. When they stop believing all that nonesense there maybe scope for talks, My family suffered enough at the hands of those barbarians before we managed to escape from our arab homeland where we had lived and could trace our very existence ie. our roots way back before the dawning of Islam.
3. :: Samir - #1
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (09.01.10)
I am curious to know whether you can tell me how many innocent Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israelis this year? While regressing back to more primitive forms of ‘justice’ may make you personally feel a little bit better such barbaric and torturous forms of killings are outlawed in a modern democratic state. Also don’t you see the irony in your calling for? You are calling for Israelis to regress to a primitive barbaric nature by impaling these murders - the very same primitive barbaric nature you accuse the Arabs of portraying and which you find so repulsive in the first place. Yes it is true that some Palestinians/Arabs wish to see the region of Palestine free of what they would call the “Zionist Entity”. It is also true to say that there are also some Jews/Israeli who wish to see the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, parts of Jordan and Lebanon become part of a “Greater Israel” (Eretz Israel). These Zionists also have committed acts of terror and murder to try and fulfil their goals. Is it possible for the Palestinians to make peace with these Zionists when their stated goal is to conquer more land and make the Arab inhabitants ‘vanish’?
4. SHAME ON YOU!!!
(09.01.10)
If this was your pregnant daughter, would you write about the political ramifications and "Bargining Chips"... You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!
5. On the contrary, Mr. Barnea
Salma ,   Palestine   (09.01.10)
attack in Hebron reinforces Abbas demands (IF HE WANTS) that a settlement freeze is a basic condition for achieving peace, otherwise the violence will continue, and he is unable to say to his people, let the "Israelis" steal your land quietly, Please don't inconvenience !!!!! Mr.Barnea, if the agreement is so fair for us their will be no need to prevent attacks because their will be no attacks. No resistance for resistance, but resistance for rights . P.S; There are many questions for me about the attack, which happened yesterday, your article added more Q.s !!
6. Nahum Barnea is a RADICAL ATHEIST LEFTIST!
Jason   (09.01.10)
All he cares about is the false piece process! NOT Jewish human rights!
7. Gunned down Israelis
Samir S. Halabi ,   Geneve, Suisse.   (09.01.10)
A note for Matty Groves from his safe home in Fairport, USA. You have no idea what it was like living in the arab world, you can criticisize me as much as you want, however if you had lost family members in the arab world, having their throats slit just because they were jewish and the arabs were defeated in battle by the israelis, so they took it out on us. don'#t lecture me about arab Muslims as you haven't got the slightest idea about them and you never lived amongst them, You and the rest of your jewish liberalists have got no right to give me a dressing down because of what I said, maybe in your world you would just be nice to them, I can assure you that when your back was turned they would stab you to death.
8. Blood of four holy jews = bargaining power?!?!?!
Ephraim ,   Tapuach   (09.01.10)
You should be ashamed of yourself. We don't need any "chips" or "advantages" paid by lives of our brothers and sisters. If bibi had sense, he'd take the first plane back home in protest of this attack.
9. To Salma
Allan ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (09.01.10)
Do you condemn the brutal murder of a pregnant woman by savage "palestinians"? Or do you like making excuses?
10. Israeli "restraint" in face of Palestinian complaints
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (09.01.10)
Netanyahu, it seems, is rapidly morphing into one hardly different from his Labor predecessors, whose mantras are "We want peace!" (Peres) and "We need peace NOW!" (Barak). That's a mistake. To exercise "restraint" as the Palestinians offer nothing but complaints and demands is to grant them legitimacy. Your own "red lines" are then treated as obstacles, and thus subject to negotiation. You become today's Olmert. Instead, Israel should be declaring "We have rights and interests too, and we will pursue and defend them.
11. To Salma
Robin ,   US   (09.01.10)
Salma, there is a freeze and Jews are still getting killed.
12. Agree with #4
Smith ,   TA, Israel   (09.01.10)
Barnea shows no sensitivity or intelligence in writing this cynical and disgraceful article. The dead aren't even cold in their graves and he is licking his lips at the prospect that terrorists might murder more people and hence preserve his precious status quo.
13. "Boosts his bargaining power?"
Marcella   (09.01.10)
Only hours have passed since four Jews were massacred and their families destroyed, and you are estimating the tragedy's political benefits? I suggest that you withdraw this column and start all over by analyzing the reasons why these lives and so many other Jewish lives are being lost at the hands of the Arabs - citizens or not. I would suggest that you face up to the DANGER AND DISHONOR of allowing Israel to behave as a vassal state, with domestic and international policies dictated and micromanaged by other countries. And how policies of appeasement and Netanyahu's official negation of Israel's sovereign right to all the land embolden Arab aggressiveness. I would also suggest that you condemn domestic policies that discriminate against Jews, particularly those living in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem - be it in housing or in their ability to defend themselves against crime and terror. And that you condemn the CONSTANT INCITEMENT BY LEFTIST JEWS against other Jews - particularly by organizations and individuals supposed to stand for higher ideals, such as professors, writers, artists, and human rights advocates. They too share the blame for Jewish blood spilled in the name of the causes they support. This is a time to grieve, but it's also a time to review AND CORRECT policies and actions that have lead to this tragic situation - where some Jews are killed by Arabs while the rest wait for their PM to make a deal for which he does not have a mandate. A deal that can only be destructive for Israel and for all Jews of present and future generations. There is so much to reflect on a day like today - that regarding the loss of four precious Jewish lives as a bargaining asset is just downright offensive .
14. Sacrifices for peace (Karbanot shalom)
adam eliyahu   (09.01.10)
This was a phrase used by Shimon Peres and the left wing press to describe the terror victims after the signing of Oslo. The peace process has included transferring weapons to the PA, acccepting known terrorists as part of the PA power structure, sitting and having conversations with these men, and releasing other men who have helped in acts of terror. I don't understand how any Israeli politician can see this as necessary or normal. I believe to view human suffering, Palestinian or Jewish, in terms of its political weight is a line of thought that is far too removed from being human.
15. Lay down your pen, Barnea
Z Lando ,   Tekoa, Israel   (09.01.10)
"Bargaining power"? Is that how you see the lives of people? Lay down your pen, My Barnea - you are one sick man!
16. Jews are bargaining chips. More dead jews=more chips
(09.01.10)
That's just sick
17. by way of deception !!
(09.01.10)
this attack was well planned and it wasent conducted by palestinians
18. Is Barnea still able to hold a pen ?
Realitycheck ,   Jerusalem   (09.01.10)
Barnea still around eh sadly not many remember who he is or was anymore but at least now in his latter years we have an explanation for his madness ,,,senility
19. Despicable column
Steven ,   San Francisco   (09.01.10)
The columnist has violated the norms of human decency by viewing victims of murder as bargainin chips, I suggest he resign immediately.
20. Matty sorry but he is right.(YNET PUBLISH THIS TOMORROW)
James T. USA   (09.02.10)
You have no idea about how the arabs treat Jews,now and since time immemorial.Listen to Samir. The Arabs all are extremely cruel and barbaric.even now. Cruelty towardJews is their speciality. And you know nothing about how cruel the Arabs are.With the exception of some Christian Arabs like Chafeeka who loves Israel and finds it a blessing to be an Israeli Arab but a true Christian as well. Even then there are few among them too i fear. have you not read her comments at Haaretz? She is among the ones like Wafa Sultan,Ayan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish Brigitte Gabriel who had escaped to israel from Marjayoun in south Lebanon into Israel and is now living in the USA.What about the FATWA AGAINST SALMAN RUSHD.There are many more among the Muslims who care but FEAR repercussions were they to complain and RAISE THEIR VOICE.Wake up Matty you ain't seen nothing yet about the Arabs and what they are really like. it takes a bit of experiencing before casting aspersions on how Samir feels.he has experienced it YOU HAVE NOT.
21. Dear Samir.Sorry to havemissed your post( YNET for tomorrow)
James T. USA   (09.02.10)
I know exactly the treatment of Jews by Arabs. You are not unique We have heard from many who escaped from their arab domiciles with the exact stories as you amplified here.This madam Groves has no idea and like many is party pris toward the pals.And we have many of her ilk in all the Jewish news outlets. It is frustrating and disgusting to read.Please have you ever visited Haaretz? if not you will get the gist of how that news outlet lets in all the detritus to attack Israel and Jews..Typical of hatefulness notonly by the responders,but also thir journalists.unimaginable coming from so-called Jews. I much prefer you do not go over there.it will upset you even more,I am sure.
22. hamas left 6 parentless kids in killing one couple on tues.
debra ,   usa   (09.02.10)
anti-semitism creates fascism and that's what we have in hamas. there shall be no peace with these creatures. they need to be wiped off the face of the earth.
23. A way forward?
Dan Sweeney ,   Belfast UK   (09.02.10)
The comparison is often drawn between NI and Israel, and I am coming around to accepting that paralel. The extremes are drawing people further apart while a failure to achieve agreement is costing lives. Neither the extreme 'right' in Israeli society nor the extreme 'left' in palestinian society can achieve 'victory' . Without compromise more generations of children will come into the world knowing only hatred of the 'other' side. After these terror attacks there is a visceral need for rapid retaliation but that is precisely what the extremists want.
24. Israel has nothing to bargain over with the P.A.
Chaim ,   Israel   (09.02.10)
The point of bargaining is when both sides have something to gain. Israel has nothing to gain by talking to the P.A. Thus Israel has nothing to bargain over with the P.A. They offer Israel absolutely nothing. But they require Israel to cede Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, defensible borders, freedom from rocket attacks, freedom from inundation by hostile Arabs. In short, the "peace talks" require Israel to cede EVERYTHING! They are a complete fraud.
25. This time I agree with Selma
Ron ,   Tel Aviv   (09.02.10)
She is is a racist, no question. The killing was ordered by Abbass, no question about it, 100%. Barnea is wrong. This makes Bibi even weaker. As I wtote 4 days ago, the result of talks will be several Jews killed by Abbass PA. Barnea does not understand ME at alll, sorry, or perhaps ... . The more Jews killed the better chance of Peace, like Oslo resulted in 2000 killed - that was real Peace.
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