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Rabbinate bans sale of non-koshered meat
Ari Galahar
Published: 02.09.10, 07:29
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1. "Chains" doesn't include Russian horse meat
Josh   (09.02.10)
Yes, that is right, horse meat. I guess some people missed the mother Russia and it is being imported. The SUS is back. Chains means what? Dati chains? If this is unfair competition again, the government should step in. All through the world Jews can Kosher their own meat, it should be allowed here to.
2. More religious coercion
Avi ,   Israel   (09.02.10)
Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger should be more concerned with whats coming out of his mouth and not what goes in. People should have a choice not be dicated to because of someone elses religious beliefs
3. # 1 , the cross adorer knows it !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
True Jews not .
4. So the secular Jews will go to the Russian markets
Chaya ,   Tel Aviv   (09.02.10)
5. It's about MONEY , big money
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
the rabbinates earn with their kashrut certificates , with their supervision of kosher meat , not about Jews buying non kosher steaks . In my birth country a Jew wanted to import frozen Israeli poultry , under hashgacha of an Israeli Rabbanut . As the local Rabbanut did not receive any money on this , they declared his shop non kosher .....
6. D'you think they will MEAT his demands?
Talula ,   Israel   (09.02.10)
7. Nt kosherED
Simon ,   Jerusalem   (09.02.10)
This isn't refering to trief. It is refering to ritually slaughtered but not yet salted and soaked meat. The Rabbanute doesn't control tiv taam.
8. #4 They already go to restaurants and eat pork
Josh   (09.02.10)
I walked int a russian market once and saw a pigs head in the meat case. Sure they did that just to make it clear. It was all I needed to see to know it was a non-kosher place. I visited a tourist family staying in Israel and they offered me a slice of meat. I asked if it was kosher, doubting that it was, and they said it was Horse. I declined and of course politely told them that it was gross. Apparently some mountain tradition, but the guy who explained it to me turned out to be a Muslim friend of the Russian tourists. Non stop suprises. He said he bought it in Israel. I don't know if seculars are really ready for pig heads and horse meat being next to thier bakar. If they are, it is less money in the Jewish kosher communitty. It hurs us, these descisions. I don't think you will see many Israeli natives in Russian stores. To much stigma.
9. #5 Of course it's all down to money.......
Talula ,   Israel   (09.02.10)
and their constant and unwavering need to control everyone and everything.
10. Look up "sinas chinom"
Laughing Jew ,   Sane Island, Israel   (09.02.10)
You'll find the picture of French atheist #3. He hates Orthodox & non Orthodox alike.
11. Re;# 5 - Charles, Charles, Charles.
Bartley Kulp ,   Haifa, Israel   (09.02.10)
The meat was kosherly slaughtered by Schochetim from the rabbanut flown abroad, As is the case with most Kosher meat in this country. The meat was just not yet Kashered which would give the consumer about a 35% price savings. Rabbanut certification was still payed for. They just found out that most people who buy it (and I am not surprised) have no intention of Kashering the meat. Can you name three acquantances excluding your grandmother who still kashers their meat at home?
12. Meat
zznhl   (09.02.10)
The problem is that these ultra religious Jewish (and very wealthy) ministers are so inherently remote from the amcha (people) that they really don't know what they are doing and do more damage than good - Subsidize the price of meat as the price of eggs, bread etc are subsidized by the government. Most people would then buy the Kosher meat. And Metzger would have another mitzvah under his belt
13. Horse meat?
yamit ,   tel aviv israel   (09.02.10)
#1, horse meat is definitely not part of Russian culture. Horse meat is consumed by Kyrgiz, Kazach and similar Asian nations. Russians eat pork is though, naturally those, who do not observe kashrut laws.
14. #11 Kashering meat is a forgotten task
Israeli mum   (09.02.10)
I understand why Metzger wants to ban unkashered meat, but I for one would be willing to pay 35% less for my meat and kasher it myself in the way my family always did in the Golah. The convenience of buying meat ready to go in the pot is balanced against the high cost of kashered meat. After all, a few handfulls of salt and some water is all it takes!!!
15. Bartley , who told you that this poultry
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
was not kashered ? It was only because the local Rabbanut did'nt earn anything .
16. to # 8 . And in those restaurants you meet them
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
and were attacked by people knowing what and who you are
17. To all who claim "it's about money"
HH ,   Jerusalem   (09.02.10)
Right, and the purveyors of pork, horse, and other non kosher delicacies are handing it out for free out of the goodness of their heart . . . .
18. #14: You know nothing abouth kashering
Israeli 2   (09.02.10)
1. It must be done by a qualified shochet who will first detrmine if the animal in question is a kosher animal 2. The slaughter ritual must be painless with minimal animal suffering. With non-kosher meat, these two most important elements are not present and make that meat automatically non-kosher. 3. Finally when the kosher meat reaches your kitchen, it is your duty to salten it. ...but this will be the last stage of the kashering process.
19. Why not as concerned with our youth
Realitycheck ,   Jerusalem Israel   (09.02.10)
If only the chief rabbis now and then would have the courage to go and speak to our secular youth who it would seem are hell bent to destroying themselves with drugs alchhol you name it rather than just on ritual.Channel 2 had an hour long program about it & the fact todays youth receive no parental guidence on anything & the educational system not much better.Imagine the Chief Rabbi walking to the bar areas in Tel Aviv on a Friday night and having conversations with them but they are frightened of the media attack that would follow but that is what is needed important moderate religious leaders to start reaching out personally to the public.In Tel Aviv Christian missionaries are filling that vacum how tragic Will they have the moral courage to start speaking out ??.
20. 16 this isnt Charles-net. U obviously hav not other life
Israeli ,   Israel   (09.02.10)
an anti-Jew "TRUE Jew" whack job!
21. RE#15 - Charles re read the article as confusing as it is.
Bartley Kulp ,   Haifa, Israel   (09.02.10)
The term non kosher meat might be slightly ambiguous. The article said "rabbinate approved non kosher meat". It means that the meat was properly slaughtered according to halacha and then was frozen without kashering it. Go to Supersol while supplies last. You will find a freezer section (if you properly search for it) that contains excusively kosher slaughtered, non kashered meat with official hechshers declaring it as such. If you have never noticed this, it just proves my point. Most people do not closely examine the labels of any kosher certificate. Imagine many elderly immigrants who do not read small Hebrew so well. Any rate the rabbinate still made its money off of this meat. This has nothing to do with competition.
22. be vegetarian :-)
Benjamin ,   Singapore   (09.02.10)
remove blood ? Well ! the fat clogs your artheris :-) you add salt, sqeeze and all that......too much work...just be vegetarian :-)
23. # 5
Anonymous   (09.02.10)
A perverse man incites quarrel,and a grumbler alienates the L-rd.
24. #15
Anonymous   (09.02.10)
An ungodly man digs up evil,and his lips is a kind of searing fire.
25. #16
Anonymous   (09.02.10)
Anger will kill a fool -Job 5:2
26. #13 Thats what the muslim-russian told me.
Josh   (09.02.10)
He said it was some culture in Russia that lived in the mountains. I even asked him how could Muslims which he claimed to be one by choice, avoid pork and eat horse which is not cloven of the foot. Then he clammed up about the thing. Anyways, he was Russian talking about a small ethnic group of Russians. He was from Moscow if that helps at all. I don;t know much about it. Maybe he was pulling my leg, but it was a strange looking meat, whatever it was. I belived it was horse as he said.
27. Bartley , i'm not talking about HERE
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
But about a person who wanted to IMPORT Kosher meat from Israel to my birth town abroad . The same meat , imported from here , was sold at a supermarket chain situated in the Jewish neighborhood . And they did'nt needed the Rabbanut'\s approval .
28. 18 , you can't READ !
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
This Israeli Mum was talking about what you wrote under # 3 , the last stage . So before to try to give lessons , learn to read . שנה טובה
29. to 17 HH .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (09.02.10)
the purveyors of pork etc don't earn money on meat they do not sale . They earn money on what they sale , as every shopkeepers may and has to do . The Rabbanut makes money only by giving this "hechscher" , and WE , i too , have to pay for it . Here it's not so expensive , where i lived , abroad , price of kosher meat was approximatively TWICE the price of non kosher .
30. #9
Anonymous   (09.02.10)
The woman of folly is turbulent;she is simple and knows nothing.
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