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Israel considers prisoner release, ceding territories to PA
Ali Waked
Published: 15.09.10, 00:18
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1. I saw this and suddenly felt sick
Raymond in DC ,   Washington, USA   (09.15.10)
I've learned not to trust Ali Waked's reports. But if this one is true, it's sickening. Yet another gesture? In return for what! Netanyahu's mantra has long been "reciprocity" - to get something, the other side had to give something. What gesture are the Palestinians making?
2. constructive for who!!!!!!
Robert ,   farmington,usa   (09.15.10)
Israel forget obama position , by now you know his position and its not in your favor , yes it is very constructive if you are a terrorist , israel being forced into compromising , freeing terrorist , whats are the table for israel , the pa refuse to recognize israel as a state , there charter clearly states the destruction of israel , the deck has been and will always be stacked against the jews.......may the lord forever bless the state of israel..
3. WTF WHYYYYY?? for what???
John ,   Washington DC   (09.15.10)
What the *%#* people? What is wrong with you? Good gestures for what purpose? For what I return? Why don't the Palestinians make ANY gestures of good will? What sort of sick comedy is this?? It is so incredibly sad to see this happening.
4. And as usual
Christopher ,   Boston, MASS   (09.15.10)
all the Palestinians offer is more terrorism
5. 1- Raymond in DC - take your time recovering
Dave in NJ   (09.15.10)
and stay off for while your comments reflects your sickness.
6. # 1 i'm happy you are sick, may the next report make you
Ray ,   US   (09.15.10)
sicker! Since when can the oppressed make gestures, what kind of gestures do you want from the Palestinians, perhaps thank Israel for the homes it demolishes, thousands it imprisons?
7. WHAT ABOUT HAMAS,WHY THEY DON'T BRING THIS UP?
Chris ,   cardiff   (09.15.10)
The talks focused on finding a "solution that maintain the stability of Netanyahu's government without causing the Palestinians to quit the talks." This proves Israel gives while the other side takes. Proves that the west will never apply Pressure on the Palestinians but will Always Pressure Israel no matter what Palestinians do or don't do. Proves Israel is seen by the West as the real villain and Plaestinians still perceived as the Victims. Why are they not discussing Hamas since this remains the real biggest obstacle? Even if Israel gave everything the Palestinians want,Hamas still controlls Gaza. they are focused on the 300,000 Peaceful Jews living in Judea & Samaria,while they Ignore the Hamas who have vowed to Destroy Israel and never accept their right to exist. Israel is the only Side having to make concessions here,The Other side get what they Never had,while Israel loses half it Nation and Security! and what Worst,If Israel gives them a state at their expense,the Palestinians have also Voewed to "Liberate all of Palestine" what about demanding the Palestinians start off with Educating their Children that Israel is a Sovereign state,and Get rid of the maps which shows there is no such thing as Israel. theese are not Peace negotiations,they are a Road map to Destroying the only true democracy in the Middle east. I'm Convinced now that the Nations will never favor Israel even if they give half their land away,I Don't see any evidence for this. when I read the writings of the Prophets,I see only hatred for Israel by the Nations.I see Warnings throughout the Bible that Israel will face a war of Annihilation. When did ALL the Nations ever Attampt to destroy Israel,NEVER! yet we read prophets after prophets Warning that In the close of the Age,Israel will be Surrounded by All Nations. this shows us the World will unite together Under the UN To Destroy Israel. Zechariah 12 Tells us that In the Last days concerning Israel,God will make Jerusalem a Burdensome Stone not only to the Arabs,But to every Nation. we know today that None of the Nations Recognize Jerusalem as Israel's Capital! THIS PROVES THAT ZECHARIAH Saw and spoke right into our day and age and what he wrote is like Reading Tomorrow's news headlines.How much more Evidence & Warning do we need? we read the prophet Joel's Descriptive & accurate Prophecy, ch3:2, about How the NATIONS Are Going to Unite in their Purpose to DIVIDE Israel,Then How God will use this to Judge the Nations. Ezek 38& 39,we read how the Nations will be led by one Leader,from the Uttermost North of Israel, whom will Unite the World against Israel,will Move against her with Massive Troops (After Israel Enters into some form of peace) but will result in the Intervention of God and will bring Israel back to Himself! we read this also throughout the Bible including throughout the Book of Revelation.Rev 16:16 names Armageddon as the one of the key location of the last great Battle,Zech 12-14 pointing to Jerusalem Being the Area where the Messiah will Enter from Heaven,and Destroy all the Armies who come against Jerusalem. Don't Muslims and the rest of the nations know about all these Prophecies? Who can deny today that these prophecies are now shaping up and all getting ready to happen?
8. Is this a joke?
Coop ,   Melbourne   (09.15.10)
what do they give up? ? ? nothing!!!! free their terrorists, give them land that's describes as land for the jewish people in the bible in return for what? they will never put down their weapons! give them an inch, they'll take it, then a few years later when they want more, what then?
9. Freeze/Incitement/Prisoners..Wedge Issues
Dav Lev ,   Burbank.CA   (09.15.10)
Israeli spokespersons on US TV and in the press, often refer to the Pales side stopping their inciitement, as a goodwill gesture. Never do you hear, not dividing Jerusalemj, or not pushing the right of return, or not boing back to the old cease fire lines. Like the freeze, the incitement issues are a pig in a poke, begging the question of a true, negotiated peace, under UN242. If Israel relinquishes land..hands back prisoners...then what about Shalit? Hamas will demand more and more. Okay, so areas a, b and c will be adjusted. So what? This is not about the aforesaid..its about totla peace,with accepted borders ( at the UN), and enforceable. ts about Iranian nukes (now have 2). and Hamas and Hez. What will they do in the future? The rumors of mi8nor adjustments are trivial.
10. After Its Settled, Who Will Enforce?
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (09.15.10)
The bottom line is this: will the Pales forbear on the so-called right of return and at the same time accept Israel's Jewish status (per the 1948 Partition plan? Will Abbas and his people accept an adjusted border (cease fire) allowing most of the settlements (larger), and Jewish enclaves in E. Jerusalem, as well as holy sites? Will they agree to demilitarize..or make treaties with Syria, Iran, etc.? Will a Pales state accept Israeli control over the air, water and link to Gaza? Will a Pales state have Israeli control over the JordanVally? Will a Pales state have any commerce and communication with the Jews, settlers, business people, academia..or force its area to be Judenrein? These are the salient matters to resolve..and btw, be enforceable. (Who will enforce it?).
11. My heart sunk too!
Eudora ,   USA   (09.15.10)
My question as well, is what are the Palestinians going to give up? Probably more bombs for more land down the road... Maybe Netanyahu could offer land on one side for equal land on the other side in exchange and see if the Palestinians are willing to give up some of their land? What's fair is fair huh? Maybe throw in a few prisoners that they have?
12. to # 1
nader ,   ramallah   (09.15.10)
what is that u guys left for us to gesture !! Are you fool or something?
13. Projecting weakness 101
Adam   (09.15.10)
The Israeli gov't has to be the most pathetic, weak-kneed, scared puppy dog gov't in the world. This is so sad... How many time must Israel get nothing in return?
14. SO THE WAR IS DELAYED FOR 18 MONTHS THEN, OK I CAN HANDLE IT
....DACON9   (09.15.10)
15. Chris # 1 / What gesture...
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (09.15.10)
The only gesture the Palestinians ever give Israel is the finger. Palestinians have nothing worthwhile to contribute to society. It's time for Israel to quit making goodwill gestures to them and it's time for the United States Of America to quit giving foreign aid to Muslim countries and non-entities like the Palestinians.
16. It can't be true
David   (09.15.10)
We saw how well the gestures worked in the past: more terror, more vilification of Israel and Jews and absolutely no desire for accommodation. This is insane for a country that managed, despite all odds, to bring terrorism to almost zero and whose economy works well in a world in recession.
17. IF THAT HAPPANED
FADY EGYPT   (09.15.10)
SO NETANYAHU MUST RESIGN IMMEDIATELY AND REPLACED IN TE LIKUD
18. Israel MUST NOT extend the moratorium!!
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Qatzrin, Israel   (09.15.10)
be part of the talks, and only after matters of security, borders and Jerusalem are resolved, not before!! Any move Israel makes before the talks are over will be taken in this region of the world as a fact from which Israel in the future will not be able to go back. Indeed, no move by Israel should be taken until the whole peace treaty is done and agreed upon by the sides, including acceptance of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people as well as acceptance of the fact that the peace treaty is the "end of the conflict".
19. Getting Worse And Worser
Armchair General ,   Wisconsin, USA   (09.15.10)
The Obama administration always intended the building moratorium to be permanent. Small as it is, does Israel really intend to relinquish Samaria with its high ground, aquifers, and reserve area in the case of massive missile attacks from the north? You don't have to be a religious Jew to see the need to retain Judea and Samaria for security reasons. The Obama administration can live with an empty shell Likud if Netanyahu is hamstrung, blackmailed, or braindead. You don't need the anti-Zionist Meretzniks in power. Or even Kadima. Hillary Clinton wants everyone to lighten up. We remember the orchestras at the death camps to create an atmosphere of calm in the midst of doom. The US administration wants to exit the Middle East on the ground. Israel's role is to be the ritual sacrifice to radical, jihadist Islam. This appeasement is self-defeating and will not play out as scripted. It will lead to war. As has been pointed out, Abbas is in the sixth year of a four year term. Whom does he represent? The Obama administration just announced a $60 billion arms sale to the Saudis. All those ranting about the power of AIPAC can now look at who has clout in Washington. If the talks go in the direction they seem to be heading, what will we have at the end of the day is a non-viable, non-contiguous Israel which will be unable to defend itself. And then it's on to Syria - we already have reports - to give away more Israeli land. Israel, wake up. Can you live with this?
20. A real blunder to make gestures to Abbas without reciprocit
Dr. L. Brnd ,   San Diego, USA   (09.15.10)
At a minimum, Israel should demand concessions from Obama, such as: 1) a moratorium on ANY Quartet arms deliveries to Lebanon for the duration of the talks, including spare parts and ammunition, 2) suspension of arms sales confirmation for the Saudis during current talks, to avoid making things difficult for Bibi with his coalition, 3) publically declared automatic US guaranteed veto of any UNSC resolution during talks not to Israel's liking, no matter how hard IDF hits back at Gaza attacks - to pressure Hamas into not interfering with talks by attacks, 4) US agreement that Abbas boycotting talks over any IDF action in Gaza (like he did in 2008) will permanently end freeze and US support for PA state, 5) total ban on ANY construction supplies for Gaza, including UN projects, while Israelis can't build anywhere. Or...no gestures. Bibi is weakening Israel's negotiating position by giving the PLO ANYTHING without quid pro quo from Abbas or Obama. This is just "Negotiations 101", and US Congress will STONGLY and PUBLICALLY oppose (again) any pressure by Obama for unilateral concessions from Israel - nothing could be deadlier for Democrat chances in the November elections than a public clash with Israel, and Obama knows it (although he has a habit of making the same mistake 3 or 4 times before he learns).
21. Zaka,get the body bags ready
chaim.s ,   brooklyn ny   (09.15.10)
these criminaly insane traitorous self hating leftist's [this includes Bibi] are ready to sacrifice some more innocent jewish blood on the altar of leftis'm. citizens of Israel WAKE UP,before its too late and you find yourselves in another Auschwitz
22. Concessions
newyorkone   (09.15.10)
Which concessions are the Palestinians making? Isn't it time that they demonstrated some good faith? How about getting Gilad Shalit released? And, if Abbas can't even get one prisoner released, why are we talking to him?
23. Crafty old Israeli negotiating trick...
Steven Gilbert ,   Teaneck USA   (09.15.10)
give up something in exchange for nothing. Works like a charm. Instant agreement. Pal's never turn this deal down.
24. The Jes of Israel bleed and the government pisses on their
Al   (09.15.10)
sacrifice. WE Jews are killed with impunity and this bastard of a government(I dont if they are left right whatever..they are lowlifes) simply piss on the graves of all those who gave their lives either in defense of the country or as victims of Arab terror. It tells me that this government as well as all those in the past dont give a rats ass as to the wellbeing of the Jews of Israel. Shame...Bloody Shame
25. Sell Out
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (09.15.10)
Sell Out http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com
26. STOP this insanity! Make ABBAS give a gesture!
David ,   Hartford USA   (09.15.10)
Why does Israel always submit to this? Let the PA and Abbas show a real gesture by announcing that 'from this day on, the PA will neither permit nor promote jihad, martyrdom, and demonization of Israel. This includes teaching of it schools, in mosques, on television programming, and all educational materials." If Abbas did this (and was verified by MEMRI), then maybe we have a real starting point. But Abbas is a coward and will NEVER do such a thing because he's terrified what Hamas and his own Fatah would do to him. That's the tragedy that the Palestinians have created for themselves. They've spent 60 years teaching and preaching hate and now it can't be undone because they wallow in it, they live it and breath it to the exclusion of all else. In the same 60 years, Israel became a first world country, even when taking in millions of refugees from every corner of the globe. If Abbas was a leader, a man who truly wanted the best for his people, he'd simply ask Bibi, "Please, show us how you did it?"
27. You need another PM
Rachel ,   US   (09.15.10)
What are your options?This guy has a spine made of Jello. It's really pathetic to see. You might have been better off allowing Olmert to stay in power.
28. and to contiue
assasah ,   jenin   (09.15.10)
nego has been continuing for ages and nothing essential is to be mention. it's good for politics to engage in something rather that doing nothing, i really call them social gathering.
29. goodwill gestures ! What a joke.
Salma ,   Palestine   (09.15.10)
what about OCCUPATION, Bibi?! These tricks are no longer deceive anyone.
30. What the hell is Bibi smoking?
Wise Saba ,   Eretz Yisrael   (09.15.10)
He has become delusional.
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