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PM to Abbas: We'll continue building in settlements
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 16.09.10, 00:03
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31. To Sara B.
Steve. ,   NI   (09.16.10)
Well, well,your country fellows liked Vietnam - you left this country with Stars and Stripes in the wind ?, Korea ? x numbers of recent operations like "Freedom" et al. - and now heading back after 9 years of "success" - leaving behind democracy and infrastructure par excellence ?? Saddle up and go back to your tribe.
32. Israeli Political Patterns
Mark of Lewiston ,   Lewiston USA   (09.16.10)
in 67, Israel conquered Sinai and Gaza and built settlements. Then made a big deal years later of bulldozing those settlements. The settlers made the "painful concessions." The politicians covered themselves in ashes and pretended all the way to the next electoral cycle that they cared about the settlers. But did the politicians get hurt? Was Begin's or Sharon's house bulldozed? If it can be built, it can be bulldozed. That's why G-d created Caterpillar. And politicians have been fake mourners for eons. So build all you want. And spend for the biggest luxuries. The people of Tel Aviv and Haifa will be glad to foot the bill, and then pay for the bulldozers, too. And Bibi and Yishai will laugh all the way to the next landslide.
33. Much of Israel's economy and goals based on war
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (09.16.10)
The Israeli war industry is strongly subsidized and key to Israel's export economy. The settlements are also subsidized to make cost of living there far cheaper than in Israel proper, with cheap land not hurting either, since only 60% was purchased. Only US can make a peace deal happen and that maybe the greatest fear in Israel.
34. to # 14
Steven Docken ,   Singapore   (09.16.10)
All efforts to reach a compromise with the Palestinians that you mention failed because Israel wanted to impose its peace or make it difficult for the Pals to accept. Why should Palestinians accept Israel conditions? Had them accempted Barak offer in 2000 they would have lost what Olmert offered in 2006. They were right to refuse. Now that time and the world are watching closely the Israel behaviour (after Lebanon, Gaza and Flotila) the Palestinias never were in such a better position to negotiate. Who would say that they would get a 9 months freeze? Amazing, ah? Israelis in general hate peace. They kind of need all the balagan, being the focus of the press, a modern and efficient war industry and showing power. Concerning the importance of Israel to US security,... I'll make no comments about. It's so funny and bizarre that just reveal your mentality. No further talks with you required.
35. #26 - Israel and Judaism
Steven Docken ,   Singapore   (09.16.10)
Nothing to do with Judaism at all. Judaism and peace go together as bread and butter. Just look at the Jewish communities around the world and you'll see how peaceful and sharming they are. The problem is the Israelis. No wonder they are hated by most of the world.
36. Mark's political patterns
Brian Cohen ,   Judean Peoples Front   (09.16.10)
I always liked Lewiston, although it's fun to look at it from the Ontario side and remember that the Americans lost the war. Maybe Mark forgets that. For decades Arab policy was to solve the conflict by war. Then Egypt and Jordan changed all that. Mark doesn't bother analyzing Palestinian political patterns, which are so fundamentally screwed up as to show that the Palestinians are the major stumbling block today. Hamas would never cede territory in the west bank (they prefer the Gaza model of complete destruction of settlements). However, Fatah appears to be willing to compromise on a land swap. Sorry, Mark, but sitting in your cozy chair in Lewiston doesn't let you speak for the taxpayers in TLV and Haifa. The truth is that YOU and your fellow Americans are most likely going to be the ones to foot the bill. If I were you, I'd counter the tax raise by buying shares in Caterpillar and looking forward to the annual dividends.
37. Brian Cohen
Mark of Lewiston ,   Lewiston USA   (09.16.10)
First, you've got the wrong Lewiston. There are 16 in different states. I'm closer to Alberta. And I know if a deal is made, the US will likely get a huge bill. But if it ends the matter, it may turn out to be worth the price. And either way, the people of Decatur Illinois will benefit by making more Dozers. I used to live there as well as Skokie, too. The question is whether or not your fellow travelers allow Netanyahu to make a deal or if another Yigal Amir will arrive on the scene. Abbas may have similar handicaps. And the Gaza model was cooked up by Bush and Sharon, not Hamas. It would be well to remember that. Driving Hamas into the arms of Iran was also their joint idea, as was the coup that expelled Fatah from Gaza. You can even watch the precoup Congressional hearings on C-SPAN. They said the US would have to stay in Iraq for 100 years. but Bush confounded them and made a deal to get out. And then Obama kept to Bush's deal so far and has confounded your pundits, too. And for the record, the French lost Canada to the Brits. And the Brits were finally expelled 15 years after agreeing to go from the US. And it's not too cozy when your kids are around the planet waging neocon -started wars. Darth Cheney and Emperor Bush someday will answer to their maker for the deaths of a lot of people, including kids from here in Lewiston.
38. settlements
lisa   (09.16.10)
stubborn is as stubborn does. Continue setllement while talking peace is wrong, deceiving- talking out of both sides of your mouth... it shows no will and honesty to achieve peace. IF Israel could stop building, at least during the talks- this would be a major achievement and show some good will. Nobody really believes that Israel wants peace- your great economics achievements are nothing if you have to spend it all on defense- the government talk and waffles, the settlers build- why not let the settlers themselves negociate? They are pressuring the government anyway. What exactly is this building supposed to achieve? Apart from creating more resentment? IF it is your land- it will be yours after the talks- if it is not, then sooner or later it will be Ghaza all over- nothing was achieved there except displacement of many people-
39. #38 it not abot settlemnt,,it about destroying Israel
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
they are settling on their own land. Why should jews living in their own heart land be an Obstacle?..you don't know History or the facts! it not about settlement,that an excuse..They want to destroy all of Israel Here's just a few Quotes from what the Prophets spoke about our times: Isaiah 27:6 In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel shall blossom and bud: and they shall fill the face of the world with fruit. Ezek 36:1Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD: 2Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession: 3Therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the heathen, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people: 4Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about; 5Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey. 6Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen: 7Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame. 8But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. 9For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: 10And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: Jer 31:5, Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them.. Zech 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. Joel 3:2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land
40. #38,besisdes,Israel stopped that for 1 years
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
and what happened,NOTHING! So get your facts straight! it nothing to do with settlement.Look what happened in Gaza,It was a disgrace Israel pulled out 10000 of it own peacful communisty for what????????????? for more terrorists to launch rocket at them?wake up will you?
41. #38..so let say the arabs are also on Occupied land too ye?
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
how would you feel if Israelis started the same game,telling the 1 Million Arabs living in Israel they are also on Occupied land?it works both ways..You should look at both sides of the issue,Israelis cannot settle in Judea and Samaria which is their Historic Home land,But ok for Arabs to live within Israel though?Stp saying Israel should show good will,,THEY DO THIS ALL THE TIME,,Arabs take this to be weakness!
42. #38 let see good will on the other side
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
when your making peace,it works both ways..the palestinians get, get, get,and want more and more while Israel gives Continually! your out of touch with the facts and to make peace the other side has to show good will,, what if Isarelis start demanding the same from the Arab Side,like saying the 1 Million Arabs living in Israel are also obstacle to peace then? what about the simple Good will of recognizing Israel's right to exist as a jewish state? Israel stopped the Building for ONE YEAR,,WHAT HAVE THE PALESTINIANS DONE IN RESPOSE,NOTHING!!!!!!! So let get the facts straight here,Israel showed more than good will when they pulled their people out of GAZA...What more can they Do than this? the Settlement issue is an excuse Palestinians hide behind,they want Israel to disappear,that the Truth. they have never yet accepted that Israel has the right to exist,where is the good will there then? Palestinians can make demands after demands and still walk out of the talks,Blaming Israel for the deadlock..it about time the whole World start Blaming them and pressing them to show some good will. with hamas in controll of Gaza,Israel could correctly refuse to negotiate while they control Gaza,and they could demand that hamas be destroyed or if not,then what is there to negotiate with a people who just want to wipe you out? the palestinians Voted for hamas and tis shows the PALESTINIANS Are Surely not reay for PEACE. this thing is very one sided and Israel will end up giving everything away while not getting any real peace at all,only they will get more rockets this time coming from the "wst bank" too,,GET REAL!
43. no.37
hebrew prophet ,   israel   (09.16.10)
What do kids,especially those from Lewiston ,actually know or understand about world politics as Dick Cheney and the Bush,s Jnr & Snr rid the world of a despotic Sunni madman and genocidal killer Saddam Hussein and his two nutcase sons Uday and Qusay ,like father like son ,the world is a better place without these three nutcases ,not so kid ?
44. TO ALL CHRIS' FROM WALES' RESPONSES I SAY>>
KATE ,   ISRAEL   (09.16.10)
KUDOS TO YOU DEAR AND VALUED FRIEND OF ISRAEL. G*D BLESS AND KEEP YOU FOR YOU ARE A TREASURE TO BE READ AND TO CONTEMPLATE BY THE THE NAYSAYERS AND ISRAEL BASHERS WHO DEBUNK THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH OF THE JEWS/ISRAEL
45. #44 Your welcome
chris ,   Wales   (09.16.10)
it a Duty of every Sane Human being to stand up for the People,the people God called His own! how can anyone Go against You and Your God given right to Your promised land.Your Country is one of the Smallest on earth,Difficult to defend,and The Enemy want to take your SECURITY Away from you because without Judea,You Borders are indefensible. before 1967,Arabs Came against you when you didn't have this Area,so it has nothing to do with settling there,they wnat this place to have the upper hand and to launch their jihad against what left of Israel. It quite OBVIOUS To any fair minded person. the Scriptures Clearly warn the nations to take heed and if only they knew what God has warned them,they might get back into their senses?with over 140 Predictions from every Prophet of the old testament,Warning the NATIONS Not to meddle with God's Future plans to settle your people on what He gave to your people,one has to Wonder what going on in the World? God gave you the promise land,Yet Israel allows Arabs to stay there,but Arabs claim their Right to this land,But Jews must be Uprooted from a Future "palestine" this goes against every reasonable fairness.it goes agains every thing that is decent and right. So when I read what the prophet have predicted for our Generation,I can see What is happening and how Accurate the prophets where about Our age and Generation. they predicted all nations would be against You and Specially as it relates to Judea..I mean if JEWS Cannot Settle in JUDEA,Where can they Settle?It is the Very heart of the Promised Land. we are truly seeing THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS COMING TO PASS..NOT ONLY ABOUT ISRAEL BECOMING A STATE AGAIN,BUT ALSO THAT ALL NATIONS WILL TRY AND DISRUPT YOU FROM SETTLING THERE..Joel 3:2 and Zech 12
46. #44,,Please read this
chris M ,   Wales   (09.16.10)
Thanks Friend.It a duty I must Perform! the World powers are Complicit in shaping hostile attitudes against Israel. The ordinary person looks at the none ending Condemnation of Israel that goes on at the UN..They rightly reason Israel must be at fault.they reason the Whole World cannot be wrong? But I want to say this is also a Spiritual battle that we are seeing played out. the ordinary person does not know what the Bible and the prophets Predicted,which is that EVERY Nation Will one day Turn against Israel. The point is,there are many Reasons why the Nations will not favor Isarel over the Arabs,Spiritual is the under the surface reason,But outwardly,Israel is up against a world wanting to create a One World Government,Which Israel cannot ft into real well,because they are the people of God who subconscious remind the World they are Accountable to God,And that God made a promise to them one day He would Show up on their behalf and destroy the KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD.. You see While Israel Exist, specially on Biblical promised land,this is Like a reminder to them their Kingdom is coming to an end. The prophets Predicted that the World's Kingdom would be agaist God's Coming Kingdom,we are seing the Signs that God's Kingdom will soon come on earth,and Modern Israel is the SIGN that This is getting close.. the arabs have also Oil and their Religion Covers the Globe,so they have to keep them From getting Upset too! but here's what is now happening: zech 12..Every World Politician should read this and be Warned! the prophet accurately Saw through time and Predicted all that is now taking place.. Shalom!
47. To: No. 34
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (09.16.10)
You miss the point entirely. Compromise? What compromise? Did the Allies "compromise" with Germany following World War II? Did the United States "compromise" with Japan following World War II? Of course not. Israel has prevailed in six wars, each of which were started by the Arabs. If they don't like the consequences of their actions, too bad. The Palestinians will get whatever crumbs Israel may decide to toss their way. Israel and the Palestinians are NOT equal negotiating partners, and for you to suggest that they are is beyond ludicrous.
48. #34 Steve Singapore
chris ,   wales   (09.16.10)
Israel is the Scapegoat for all the Middle east problems and constantly being Attacked by a Corrupt UN & Constanly being subjected to a barrage of Criticism and being blamed almost for all the ills in the world..many Nations falling Under this Satanic spell of Anti-Semitism,anti-Israelism,anti-Zionism..they Make Israel out to look like an Aggressor while overlooking the real evil and Dictators around her..Arabs have Oil and all the world depend on this.. Arabs Unfortunately are being Ruled over by Corrupt, Despotic and Bad Selfish leaders and are constantly brainwashing the majority through the media that Israel is Guilty of crimes against Arabs which is a Total lie from Hell! Total lie!!The World laps it all up..Arabs are using their own people as human Shields whenever they Engage Israel in war.Isarel get Blamed when these innocent Die. I say all this because this is exactly what the Prophetic Words say..This is exactly what we can expect..this is exactly what the Holy Bible Predicts would happen....This is of course leading us up eventually to a false Peace which will be a doorway to Armageddon..Look up the Word Armageddon..(It written in the Bible (Revelation 16:16)It is where the Final battle of this age will take place..it is also a Valley North of Jerusalem..Now look up Zechariah 12-14 and Joel 3:2 Don't let anyone Lie to you that Israel is the Guilty party,it's the islamic nations Surrounding Israel that are the Enemy and have vowed to destroy the Jewish State,Interesting because we know this is what the Bible reveals..so keep your eyes onthe Fuss over Jerusalem..Israel will in the end be invaded many times but with the Intervention of God be Delivered..again,Check all this out in the prophetic Scriptures.. JER 30-31
49. #34 Steve, Singapore
DR ,   UK   (09.17.10)
To ridicule the mentality of another and make such comments yourself is rather rich to say the least. I don't know which is greater, your arrogance or your ignorance. Using the words 'compromise' and 'Palestinians' in the same sentence is itself a contradiction in terms. You ask 'why should Palestinians accept Israel's conditions' - well why indeed?! Why should they change the habits of a lifetime and accept any talk of peace. Why should they negotiate when their agenda is well known. It's in the charter of Hamas and in the charter of Mahmoud Abbas's own 'moderate' Fatah. They both call for Israel's destruction. Any negotiations or talk of 'peace' by the Palestinians is itself a fraud and more and more people are waking up to this idea. They've not made a single concession even now and for every Israeli concession they receive they are emboldened to demand more. Such is their 'mentality'. Arafat made a living out of breaking truces and violating agreements, so why should his cohort, Mahmoud Abbas, be any different - especially when he's publicly sworn to follow in Arafat's footsteps. The Palestinian/Arab/Islamic world thought it of no consequence in 1948 to violate even the UN's partition plan and instead seek the genocide of the Jews. Even their leaders declared their intent to 'finish what Hitler started'. Yet to all these conditions the Israelis agreed. Such was their desire for peace, after so many years of persecution and hatred. For a peaceful coexistence the Jews were even prepared to take the crumbs that fell from the British table and accept partition, even after 77% of the original Palestine Mandate had been given to the Arabs to make yet another new Arab nation called Transjordan. Of the remaining 23% they were to get less than half and most of that was desert. Yet this they were prepared to accept for peace. The Arabs refused even that because they wanted it all - just as they do today. 99.5% of the Middle East, 22 Arab nations covering one tenth of the world's surface - the largest area occupied by any ethnic group. It's still not enough. They want the minute area of the Jewish homeland as well. If you listen to fundamentalist Islam even that is only the beginning. But I have to be careful what I say as it won't get published for fear of offending them. In closing I'll use your own term - 'no further talks with you required'. Negotiations or talks mean nothing in the face of indoctrination.
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